5 year cap impact for signing top FA CB, WR and replacing Free

[waldoputty]

not here

lol

 

[CowboyRoy]

carr is projected at $6M/yr...

Pass

 

[waldoputty]

If Carr wants to sign a year to year deal for 2-3m to be CB4 that would be OK

I like TWill but not at 8m..... the draft is loaded at WR and we need to get a couple

@bkight13 - i ran the model with Bouye, Perry and the RT - even that works. check out the new thread...

 

[Nightman]

carr is projected at $6M/yr...

he had a 4.2m base this year and that was because he had 9m base to start with..... he took a paycut to stay and he will have to do so again after banking 46m

 

[jterrell]

The moves this year are possible.
Trying to call this any realistic look beyond this year however is lunacy.

You are going to have a 40 man roster if we only re-sign 8 guys in 3 years and sit out free agency beyond this year.

Dallas is going to largely sit out free agency this year so that it can recover significant comp picks next year.
It is not an all gt for it year given Dak is only a 2nd year guy and we haven't won many playoff games recently.

 

[waldoputty]

The moves this year are possible.
Trying to call this any realistic look beyond this year however is lunacy.

You are going to have a 40 man roster if we only re-sign 8 guys in 3 years and sit out free agency beyond this year.

Dallas is going to largely sit out free agency this year so that it can recover significant comp picks next year.
It is not an all gt for it year given Dak is only a 2nd year guy and we haven't won many playoff games recently.

not true about the 40 man roster.
you get ~6 draft picks.
and the bottom of the roster is typically minimum type guys.
and the model does track salaries to fill the roster by adding those salaries in.
is it a perfect model, no?
but it is quite realistic from the point of maintaining a 53 man roster.

 

[Nightman]

@bkight13 - i ran the model with Bouye, Perry and the RT - even that works. check out the new thread...

looks good but I don't see the roll-over

plus "without any restructures" is such an artificial impediment to real cap space that we are still in the 40-50m cap space land and no one gets it

they always complain about paying the bills in the future but we know that future will never come

they did not max out on Romo, Dez, Carr, Free and churn guys like Wilber, Gachkar, Hanna, DMC, Morris the last couple years and wasted 20-30m in space and complain about lack of space now

if they just rolled it over they would be so much further ahead but if they spent it we might have won in 2014 0r 2016

 

[waldoputty]

looks good but I don't see the roll-over

plus "without any restructures" is such an artificial impediment to real cap space that we are still in the 40-50m cap space land and no one gets it

they always complain about paying the bills in the future but we know that future will never come

they did not max out on Romo, Dez, Carr, Free and churn guys like Wilber, Gachkar, Hanna, DMC, Morris the last couple years and wasted 20-30m in space and complain about lack of space now

if they just rolled it over they would be so much further ahead but if they spent it we might have won in 2014 0r 2016

the money was rolled over in the top row of the table - i just added across.
yes, i deleted the restructures - because primarily for after 2021.
if we keep restructuring, the cap would blow in 2022 with the class of 2016 draftees cap blowing up.
of course, if half the class does not become good starters or probowlers, than their cap hit would be significantly less.

 

[jterrell]

not true about the 40 man roster.
you get ~6 draft picks.
and the bottom of the roster is typically minimum type guys.
and the model does track salaries to fill the roster by adding those salaries in.
is it a perfect model, no?
but it is quite realistic from the point of maintaining a 53 man roster.

no, it is not.
to maintain that bottom of the roster cost you have to release a number of guys and those cause cap hits, even if small ones.

you can use the salary cap manager at http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/
that will give you more reality.

forgetting or foregoing 20% of the eventual cap hits just avoids reality.
It's not quite as bad as bknight (who doesn't understand the simple concept that every dollar paid eventually hits the cap) but it's still unrealistic.

dallas is going to early restructure their own where possible.
that escalates their cap hits now but saves you money in the long run.

dallas is currently in a model where they add free agents basically every two years.
this leaves one year where they can recoup comp picks.
over time this is genius. it provides 1-2 additional draft picks on average per year.
that's a huge competitive advantage that also mightily helps with the cap.

 

[waldoputty]

no, it is not.
to maintain that bottom of the roster cost you have to release a number of guys and those cause cap hits, even if small ones.

you can use the salary cap manager at http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/
that will give you more reality.

forgetting or foregoing 20% of the eventual cap hits just avoids reality.
It's not quite as bad as bknight (who doesn't understand the simple concept that every dollar paid eventually hits the cap) but it's still unrealistic.

dallas is going to early restructure their own where possible.
that escalates their cap hits now but saves you money in the long run.

dallas is currently in a model where they add free agents basically every two years.
this leaves one year where they can recoup comp picks.
over time this is genius. it provides 1-2 additional draft picks on average per year.
that's a huge competitive advantage that also mightily helps with the cap.

we counted the players and added/subtracted dollars to get to 51 then 53.
it is not whether every $ spent hits the cap, it is the big picture if the cap is so big then the small hits dont matter because we are not using up all of it.

 

[Nightman]

no, it is not.
to maintain that bottom of the roster cost you have to release a number of guys and those cause cap hits, even if small ones.

you can use the salary cap manager at http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/
that will give you more reality.

forgetting or foregoing 20% of the eventual cap hits just avoids reality.
It's not quite as bad as bknight (who doesn't understand the simple concept that every dollar paid eventually hits the cap) but it's still unrealistic.

dallas is going to early restructure their own where possible.
that escalates their cap hits now but saves you money in the long run.

dallas is currently in a model where they add free agents basically every two years.
this leaves one year where they can recoup comp picks.
over time this is genius. it provides 1-2 additional draft picks on average per year.
that's a huge competitive advantage that also mightily helps with the cap.

another genius that can't even get my name right but we are supposed to listen about the cap

#deleteyouraccount
#tryhard

 

[jterrell]

we counted the players and added/subtracted dollars to get to 51 then 53.
it is not whether every $ spent hits the cap, it is the big picture if the cap is so big then the small hits dont matter because we are not using up all of it.

problem is you are doing it wrong.
this isn't complicated.
i handed you the tool to actually do it right.

every player that hits the cap this year and remains costs again next year and those bottom of the roster guys get yearly raises.
it's not just raises for draftees.
you are not accounting for a lot of cap costs so of course it looks good.
it's like someone who only lists 5 bills and says i live well within my means so cant understand why they are broke...
gas costs, food costs that stuff needs to be on list.

if your cap projection doesn't account for everything it's not accurate and thus pointless.

the cowboys have 17 free agents.
just this year. you have them signing 8 in 3 years.
that's not realistic.

 

[jterrell]

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/dallas-cowboys/2017/

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/dallas-cowboys/2017/

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/dallas-cowboys/2017/

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

2 years 10 million for Carr sounds reasonable.

 

[waldoputty]

problem is you are doing it wrong.
this isn't complicated.
i handed you the tool to actually do it right.

every player that hits the cap this year and remains costs again next year and those bottom of the roster guys get yearly raises.
it's not just raises for draftees.
you are not accounting for a lot of cap costs so of course it looks good.
it's like someone who only lists 5 bills and says i live well within my means so cant understand why they are broke...
gas costs, food costs that stuff needs to be on list.

if your cap projection doesn't account for everything it's not accurate and thus pointless.

the cowboys have 17 free agents.
just this year. you have them signing 8 in 3 years.
that's not realistic.

for the last time, we counted the # players for the years and adjusted as needed to get to 53.
for 2017, we already have more than 53.
for 2018, we have 42 under contract and would be over 53 if you add the 2 years worth of players.
for 2019, we added all the draft picks and filled in with low end players like what we have in 2017.

you are complaining why so few FA?
that is because the team is loaded.
the team just needs a few stars and fill in the rest with picks (some are high picks).

after the proposed adds, this is what you have locked up through end of 2019:
Offense: top 3 WR, starting OL, 2 QBs, Zeke and even Rico - that is 12 players plus 1 year of Morris and 1 year of backup G, 1 year of FB, 1 year of 2 backup OT - all you need is a new RB, WR with potential and backup G
Defense: 6 rotation DL, 3 starting LB, starting FS, top FA CB,1 S (Heath), 2 CBs who have started multiple games - all you are missing are a war daddy, another DL, 1 CB and a couple SS.
(TCrawford, Collins, Wilson, Tapper, Thornton, Jaylon, Lee, Irving, Jones, Heath, Frazier, Brown, 1 year of DLaw, 2 years of Oscan, 2 years of Mayowa) - that is 15 players plus also additional players who have played and under contract are 3 LB and 1 CB.

So out of 3 full years of draft picks - you cannot get 2 DE, 1 CB, a couple S, RB, WR and G.

Assuming we trade #2 and #3 and Romo trade to move up in the 1st round - I can easily see:
~10th pick in 1st round - DE hopefully war daddy
4th/6th/7th - BPA between DE, CB, S and G.

 

[waldoputty]

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/dallas-cowboys/2017/

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/dallas-cowboys/2017/

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/dallas-cowboys/2017/

i have been using spotac for numbers.

 

[DeaconBlues]

Is everyone on of these types of threads just waldo trying to make the Cowboys front office spend a ton of money on FAs starting this week?

It's not happening.

It's as if Madden became sentient and started posting.

 

[waldoputty]

It's as if Madden became sentient and started posting.

lol bursts through the paper wall waving my arms

 

[rynochop]

If Carr wants to sign a year to year deal for 2-3m to be CB4 that would be OK

I like TWill but not at 8m..... the draft is loaded at WR and we need to get a couple

So you want the only CB we have that plays every down to take one year deals for 2-3 million and be a CB4, geez, agents would laugh after getting off the phone with some of the numbers thrown around here

 

[Nightman]

So you want the only CB we have that plays every down to take one year deals for 2-3 million and be a CB4, geez, agents would laugh after getting off the phone with some of the numbers thrown around here

then he can piss off