6 of the last 10 NFC Champions made it with their QB on a rookie deal

[InTheZone]

Don't pay for Dak, simple as that. We have a system where we believe we can surround the QB with talent. We can continue to do so if we keep repeating this QB draft cycle every 4 years. And in our case we could boost further if we can sucker a bottom feeder into giving us top picks for Dak.

As soon as we pay we are pretty much cancelling the careers of everyone currently employed

 

[InTheZone]

At the time most of those QBs made it to the SB they weren’t elite either. Guess having a good overall team is as important as having an elite QB.

Bingo, don't pay and we can continue building support without settling for scraps to support

 

[exciter]

In what world will he get that much? Go compare to how much Julio is making. He isn’t getting that.

Yeah, kill your cap on one side of the ball and allow your defense to go to crap because you can’t pay your guys.

You folks will never understand skill positions and how replaceable they are. You folks have no brain cells firing.

Hmmm... Watkins got 16. He had a 40 catches for 513 yards. He had 39 last year, 28 the year before and a career high of 65. But yeah, that was based on the opinion of one of the staff writers on the main site when the trade occured, that said it would be 18 to 22 depending on how he played! Julios contract is irrelevant now...Beckham is the baseline! And yeah, that offense was kicking, trotting out a bunch of #3s plus Beasley every week before the trade. My lack of brain cells must have been lying to my eyes on sundays.

All but 2 or 3 players at most are easily replaceable on defense!

 

[mattjames2010]

Hmmm... Watkins got 16. He had a 40 catches for 513 yards. He had 39 last year, 28 the year before and a career high of 65. But yeah, that was based on the opinion of one of the staff writers on the main site when the trade occured, that said it would be 18 to 22 depending on how he played! Julios contract is irrelevant now...Beckham is the baseline! And yeah, that offense was kicking, trotting out a bunch of #3s plus Beasley every week before the trade. My lack of brain cells must have been lying to my eyes on sundays.

All but 2 or 3 players at most are easily replaceable on defense!

Watkins is ridiculously overpaid - so are you admitting we are going to overpay Cooper? Again, 20 million average a year is not even what the TOP WRs in the league are getting. You're insane and pushing to overpay.

Beckham is the baseline - Beckham is a top 3 WR in the league, along with Antonio Brown who is making 17 million a year, Mike Evans is making 16 million, OBJ 18 million.

Where Cooper falls

Stefon Diggs - 14 million
Allen Robinson - 14 million
Alshon Jeffery - 14 million
TY Hilton - 13 million
Dough Baldwin - 11 million

Giving Cooper 18 million would make him one of the highest paid WRs in the league. LOL Not only would he be overpaid, you would add to my point we'd be adding too much money to the offense LOL

 

[mattjames2010]

Hmmm... Watkins got 16. He had a 40 catches for 513 yards. He had 39 last year, 28 the year before and a career high of 65. But yeah, that was based on the opinion of one of the staff writers on the main site when the trade occured, that said it would be 18 to 22 depending on how he played! Julios contract is irrelevant now...Beckham is the baseline! And yeah, that offense was kicking, trotting out a bunch of #3s plus Beasley every week before the trade. My lack of brain cells must have been lying to my eyes on sundays.

All but 2 or 3 players at most are easily replaceable on defense!

LOL all but 2 or 3 are easily replaceable on defense?

Yes, you just STUMBLE across a top 5 corner in the draft, a top 5-10 DE, two young LBs with upside. You're right. This is all going to be a lot easier to replace than a freakin' WR who had a few big games for us down the stretch.

Gosh, all those WRs and RBs found in the later rounds nearly every draft aren't as replaceable than finding defenders that play at high levels despite the league pushing to neuter defense with modern rules.

 

[Little Jr]

what percentage of total cap was the QB hit? the numbers from 5 years ago don't matter any more.....14 mill in 2014 was 11.5% of the total cap.

One day people will learn this and stop using cap hits from 2+ years ago and using what someone else makes with a 2+ yr old contract

 

[uvaballa]

Except for major freak of nature events, Brees should have made it this year and maybe even last year. Rodgers absolutely should have been in in 2014 if you remember that game, plus A-Rod wasn’t on his rookie deal in 2010.

So there’s a lot of freak luck that even made these anomalies possible, and you’re not mentioning the AFC version because it’s the opposite. Top end, seasoned MVP-caliber QB is still the best chance of getting you there, this only confirms it.

I could say the Pats lucked up many times. There first few SBs Brady wasn’t elite their D carried the team. The tuck rule also saved them because that was a fumble. This year they were one offsides play from going home. They’ve gotten their fair share of breaks even with Brady.

 

[Kevinicus]

At the time most of those QBs made it to the SB they weren’t elite either. Guess having a good overall team is as important as having an elite QB.

More so. You can win with a less than elite QB (they can't outright suck, though). You cannot win with a bad team, regardless of the QB.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

I could say the Pats lucked up many times. There first few SBs Brady wasn’t elite their D carried the team. The tuck rule also saved them because that was a fumble. This year they were one offsides play from going home. They’ve gotten their fair share of breaks even with Brady.

But then roethlisberger makes it. Or with the tuck rule it’s Gannon. Or in the recent AFC championship games it’s Peyton, it’s Flacco, it’s Bortles. Still a list of pocket passers.

 

[uvaballa]

But then roethlisberger makes it. Or with the tuck rule it’s Gannon. Or in the recent AFC championship games it’s Peyton, it’s Flacco, it’s Bortles. Still a list of pocket passers.

We’re talking about pocket passers or young QBs? Bortles and Flacco are just average QBs.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

We’re talking about pocket passers or young QBs? Bortles and Flacco are just average QBs.

Sorry you’re right, I’m having 2 different debates on 2 different boards and they’re melting together. Gannon and Roethlisbeger at least we’re on lucrative extensions

 

[uvaballa]

Sorry you’re right, I’m having 2 different debates on 2 different boards and they’re melting together. Gannon and Roethlisbeger at least we’re on lucrative extensions

Ben’s first SB was his rookie deal. His second one wasn’t. It is easier for teams to win before they have to sign QBs to huge deals because they’re over paid.

 

[exciter]

Watkins is ridiculously overpaid - so are you admitting we are going to overpay Cooper? Again, 20 million average a year is not even what the TOP WRs in the league are getting. You're insane and pushing to overpay.

Beckham is the baseline - Beckham is a top 3 WR in the league, along with Antonio Brown who is making 17 million a year, Mike Evans is making 16 million, OBJ 18 million.

Where Cooper falls

Stefon Diggs - 14 million
Allen Robinson - 14 million
Alshon Jeffery - 14 million
TY Hilton - 13 million
Dough Baldwin - 11 million

Giving Cooper 18 million would make him one of the highest paid WRs in the league. LOL Not only would he be overpaid, you would add to my point we'd be adding too much money to the offense LOL

Cooper has 1000 yards receiving in 3 of 4 seasons in the league, playing with QBs who aren't that good. They invested a 1st round pick and he proved them right in doing so. He is a top 5 or damm close receiver in this league, he's getting paid regardless of how shrilly you scream and vigorously you stomp your wittle foot.

 

[SSoup]

Okay, so 6 of the last 10 NFC Championship teams had QBs still working on their rookie deals. Cool, cool, cool. How many of the last 10 AFC Champions did? Just so we're not cherry-picking.

 

[exciter]

LOL all but 2 or 3 are easily replaceable on defense?

Yes, you just STUMBLE across a top 5 corner in the draft, a top 5-10 DE, two young LBs with upside. You're right. This is all going to be a lot easier to replace than a freakin' WR who had a few big games for us down the stretch.

Gosh, all those WRs and RBs found in the later rounds nearly every draft aren't as replaceable than finding defenders that play at high levels despite the league pushing to neuter defense with modern rules.

Outside of Lawrence and maybe Jones who is it imperative to sign right now. Jaylon didn't receive an accrued season for his rookie year and will be restricted in 2020. I'm assuming they give him the 1st round tender and take the 1st if someone offers something outrageous. LVE is under contract for 4 more years. Tyron will most likely be off the books by then. Only other player maybe worth a 2nd contact is Awuzie and that still remains to be seen!

 

[mattjames2010]

Cooper has 1000 yards receiving in 3 of 4 seasons in the league, playing with QBs who aren't that good. They invested a 1st round pick and he proved them right in doing so. He is a top 5 or damm close receiver in this league, he's getting paid regardless of how shrilly you scream and vigorously you stomp your wittle foot.

Cooper has been incredibly inconsistent, has lead the league in drops one season, had high drops against in his third season, never had double digit TDs, and never had over 1,200 yards receiving.

You're telling me a guy who can't score double digit TDs, can't put up numbers like Beckham, Evans, Brown, and Jones do in yards...is deserving on 18 million a year and is just as good and valuable as those guys are? LOL

Cooper is not worth top dollar in the WR market - the same as Cooks and Watkins aren't. You wanting to overpay because other teams have makes you very much like Jerry Jones.

"Top 5 damn near close receiver"

No, no he isn't. He's a good but inconsistent receiver in the NFL and you want to pay someone you ADMIT isn't a top 5 guy top dollar. LOL

 

[mattjames2010]

Outside of Lawrence and maybe Jones who is it imperative to sign right now. Jaylon didn't receive an accrued season for his rookie year and will be restricted in 2020. I'm assuming they give him the 1st round tender and take the 1st if someone offers something outrageous. LVE is under contract for 4 more years. Tyron will most likely be off the books by then. Only other player maybe worth a 2nd contact is Awuzie and that still remains to be seen!

All of these players contracts are immediately coming up or are on the horizon in the future. This isn't even adding in the fact that Zeke and Dak will be getting big contracts very soon. And again, Lawrence and Jones will be getting there contracts shortly, Lawrence is almost a sure bet at this point. Tyron Smith, at his worst, has been a top ten OT and he's only 28 years old - he'll get another contract with us as well, and it won't be small.

LOL Cooper 18 million. If he gets that, it's because Jerry and Stephen are dummbies - which they already showed by giving away a first for Cooper.

 

[buybuydandavis]

3 of the 10 made it with QBs in the $10-15M cap hit range. Only one has made it with their QB taking a significant amount of the team's cap space.

2018. Goff on a rookie contract
2017. Wentz on a rookie contract/Foles 1.6M cap hit
2016. Matt Ryan on a big contract ($24M cap hit)
2015. Cam on first year of new contract ($13M cap hit)
2014. Russ on rookie contract
2013. Russ on rookie contract
2012. Kaep on rookie contract
2011. Eli on a big contract ($14M cap hit)
2010. Arod on a rookie contract
2009. Brees on a modest contract ($10M cap hit)

Cheap Dak was a window. It kept us of out cap hell, but we didn't make the most of it. Still a chance next year to Let Dak Be Dak.

My own take is to always have 2 serious developmental QBs behind a guy on his rookie contract. Don't lock in a guy to a long term fat free agent contract unless he's elite. We should be signing another this year to push Rush off the roster.

It was dumb to try to protect Dak for the long term as if he is going to turn into Brady. Let Dak be Dak. If he turns into Brady, fantastic. Then you sign him to a big contract. But make the most of what he is in the meantime, and prepare for the likely outcome that he won't be Brady.

 

[exciter]

Cooper has been incredibly inconsistent, has lead the league in drops one season, had high drops against in his third season, never had double digit TDs, and never had over 1,200 yards receiving.

You're telling me a guy who can't score double digit TDs, can't put up numbers like Beckham, Evans, Brown, and Jones do in yards...is deserving on 18 million a year and is just as good and valuable as those guys are? LOL

Cooper is not worth top dollar in the WR market - the same as Cooks and Watkins aren't. You wanting to overpay because other teams have makes you very much like Jerry Jones.

"Top 5 damn near close receiver"

No, no he isn't. He's a good but inconsistent receiver in the NFL and you want to pay someone you ADMIT isn't a top 5 guy top dollar. LOL

Evan's had 8 TDs this season, 5 in 2017, when was he the clear difference in his team going to the playoffs. Cooper had 6 in 9 games.That was without the luxury of a training camp with the QB and an inconsistent threat at the other wr position or at te. Again how many of Brown, Beckham, Jones or Evan's were the clear difference in why their team was in the playoffs this year. You're beating a dead horse Cooper's getting paid!