7 picks after 150th in draft, what do we do?

[LarryCanadian]

Ok, from what I read on NFL site, we have picks:

51
69
101
117
156
166
172 (comp)
197
208 (comp)
210
227

Probably not 11 roster spots open on the team. Probably only 5-6. We can't trade comp picks, so really we have 5 picks after 150 that become long-shots to make team.

I can see Jerry packaging some of the extra picks to move up 3-4 spots to make sure we don't miss on players they like on draft board. I can see the screaming now "why did we give up a 6th to move up and take a guy who would have been there 5 picks from now". I just see this happening a bunch.
Jerry is gonna wheel and deal a ton I think this draft, especially trying to push a few picks into next years draft (uncapped year etc), but most teams are aware of this and might be doing the same, so the number of trading partners might be limited, or cost high to do so.

What do fans want Dallas to do? Looking at the draft value chart, it would cost both our 5th rounders (the non comps) and a another later round pick to get into the middle of 4th round again. It would cost our 156th, 166th, and 210th picks to move into a spot right around where we already pick at 117th. If board is accurate and I read it right.

I think Jerry does try to move up into 2nd, or more likely 3rd and 4th round for an extra pick in there, maybe even using a pick from next year, which he then replaces by trading picks from this year again. Based on the numbers game, I'd like to see packaging picks to try and get a solid player that fits a need (I know, I know, don't draft for need, BUT if he is high on board already....).

How deep is this draft. Are there gems and interesting projects in the 5th round? Lately, the 'Boys seem to have drafted alright in the later rounds.

LarryCanadian

 

[MONT17]

this team missed the playoffs and lost 4 or 5 guys who started and still no room on the roster for draft picks... the Cowboys should wear Pinstripes at home!


I hope this team can carry 8 or 9 Draft picks... combined with last years draft class... and we may have the start of something a little more positive!

 

[LarryCanadian]

I hear you, but they went out and replaced 4 of those guys at least with Kitna, Brooking, Olshansky, and Sensabaugh (sp?). We have guys coming back from injury in Felix Jones, Hurd, McBriar, Kosier etc. They are touting Saivii or whatever as a rotation guy. Bower and Procter signed tenders (although I'd really love to replace Procter with a solid guard/centre project in draft)..

So there isn't space from what I can see. Not sure you replace a hurd with a 6th or 7th rounder, who hasn't done anything. Hurd is still very young and is a gamer on special teams and apparently knows the routes for every WR position. Stanback is still a project that gets another year since they put so much time and a 4th into him (warranted or not).

We need special teamers, oline depth, NT, pass rushers, safeties, cb depth, and ILB, but how many late rounders will knock guys we have on the fringe out of jobs? Will be interesting.

Does Pat Watkins make team? McQuistan? Procter? Hurd? Stanback?

LarryCanadian

 

[TNCowboy]

There's not a lot of value in 6th and 7th rounders. I think it was Brian Broadus who described the "pool of players" with the same or very close grades that you're looking at by then as dozens of players, so chances are, if you don't draft a guy, you're very likely to have the opportunity to sign him as an undrafted free agent.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think Dallas will move up from the 51st spot for a higher 2nd rd pick and given the fact that Phillips has said more changes will happen I would not be shocked to see a player traded in the process

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Unless there is somebody we can't live without, I think you try to trade them for future draft picks. You can usually improve draft position by a spot or two if you do this. Also helps spread out the picks so that we are not drafting players that have zero chance of helping the team.

 

[jjktkk]

IMO the Cowboys will have a successful draft if they come away with a potential starter at free safety, and a potential #2 wide receiver with deep speed. Any additional players that the Cowboys hit on in the draft will be icing on the cake.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Unless there is somebody we can't live without, I think you try to trade them for future draft picks. You can usually improve draft position by a spot or two if you do this. Also helps spread out the picks so that we are not drafting players that have zero chance of helping the team.

bango

 

[jday]

Ok, from what I read on NFL site, we have picks:

51
69
101
117
156
166
172 (comp)
197
208 (comp)
210
227

Probably not 11 roster spots open on the team. Probably only 5-6. We can't trade comp picks, so really we have 5 picks after 150 that become long-shots to make team.

I can see Jerry packaging some of the extra picks to move up 3-4 spots to make sure we don't miss on players they like on draft board. I can see the screaming now "why did we give up a 6th to move up and take a guy who would have been there 5 picks from now". I just see this happening a bunch.
Jerry is gonna wheel and deal a ton I think this draft, especially trying to push a few picks into next years draft (uncapped year etc), but most teams are aware of this and might be doing the same, so the number of trading partners might be limited, or cost high to do so.

What do fans want Dallas to do? Looking at the draft value chart, it would cost both our 5th rounders (the non comps) and a another later round pick to get into the middle of 4th round again. It would cost our 156th, 166th, and 210th picks to move into a spot right around where we already pick at 117th. If board is accurate and I read it right.

I think Jerry does try to move up into 2nd, or more likely 3rd and 4th round for an extra pick in there, maybe even using a pick from next year, which he then replaces by trading picks from this year again. Based on the numbers game, I'd like to see packaging picks to try and get a solid player that fits a need (I know, I know, don't draft for need, BUT if he is high on board already....).

How deep is this draft. Are there gems and interesting projects in the 5th round? Lately, the 'Boys seem to have drafted alright in the later rounds.

LarryCanadian

I think you have to throw the draft value chart out in this situation. Like you said, teams are going to be less willing to give up higher picks for packaged later rounds picks because of the potential cost against cap should the players be cut. Trading next years picks might be an option, but the Cowboys don't have too many needs that would warrant that move. Unless the Cowboys can find a viable replacement for Flozell, a good back up for Ratliff/Demarcus Ware, or another corner that could start immediately, the move wouldn't be worth what it would likely cost us from next years draft.

 

[Manster54]

IMO the Cowboys will have a successful draft if they come away with a potential starter at free safety, and a potential #2 wide receiver with deep speed. Any additional players that the Cowboys hit on in the draft will be icing on the cake.

Respectfully disagree on the WR. Don't care if we draft any.

What about WILB & NT?
What about special teams, which has been a glaring weakness for years.
Boys need to get young, hungry and angry!

 

[BourbonBalz]

IMO the Cowboys will have a successful draft if they come away with a potential starter at free safety, and a potential #2 wide receiver with deep speed. Any additional players that the Cowboys hit on in the draft will be icing on the cake.

We better come away with an ILB that can start in a year or so.

 

[Woods]

Ok, from what I read on NFL site, we have picks:

51
69
101
117
156
166
172 (comp)
197
208 (comp)
210
227

Probably not 11 roster spots open on the team. Probably only 5-6. We can't trade comp picks, so really we have 5 picks after 150 that become long-shots to make team.

I can see Jerry packaging some of the extra picks to move up 3-4 spots to make sure we don't miss on players they like on draft board. I can see the screaming now "why did we give up a 6th to move up and take a guy who would have been there 5 picks from now". I just see this happening a bunch.
Jerry is gonna wheel and deal a ton I think this draft, especially trying to push a few picks into next years draft (uncapped year etc), but most teams are aware of this and might be doing the same, so the number of trading partners might be limited, or cost high to do so.

What do fans want Dallas to do? Looking at the draft value chart, it would cost both our 5th rounders (the non comps) and a another later round pick to get into the middle of 4th round again. It would cost our 156th, 166th, and 210th picks to move into a spot right around where we already pick at 117th. If board is accurate and I read it right.

I think Jerry does try to move up into 2nd, or more likely 3rd and 4th round for an extra pick in there, maybe even using a pick from next year, which he then replaces by trading picks from this year again. Based on the numbers game, I'd like to see packaging picks to try and get a solid player that fits a need (I know, I know, don't draft for need, BUT if he is high on board already....).

How deep is this draft. Are there gems and interesting projects in the 5th round? Lately, the 'Boys seem to have drafted alright in the later rounds.

LarryCanadian

Firstly, the Cowboys are a 9-7 team, and have been for 3 out of the past 4 years. We have plenty of room to add depth on our roster.

I can easily think of 11 roster spots on our team, though we probably won't draft 11 players.

1. 3rd QB to develop. B Bollinger is then gone.
2. OG/OC - We need replacement for Berger.
3. OT - We could look to upgrade McQuisten/Free.
4. FB - Cricket is nice and all, but we can do better.
5. WR/PR - Spot may be open due to TO's departure.
6. 3rd blocking TE - Seems the Cowboys may have have interest here given who they are looking at.

7. DL - Could easily use a NT and/or DE
8. ILB - Enough said.
9. OLB - Ellis is on last legs, we need to groom someone.
10. CB - At least 1, if not 2.
11. FS
12. SS - Someone behind Sensabaugh.
13. H-Back type and/or Wildcat guy? Could be in the cards.

Finally, I think the strength of this draft is depth, especially in rounds 3-5. And the Cowboys have been very, very good at finding talent in these rounds over the past few years. (Canty, MBIII, Choice, Scandrick, etc.)

JJ probably will trade around a lot, but I'd be happy using the picks. We've shown that over the past few years we're pretty good at utilizing them.

I figure that with 11 picks and with a 6-7 player success rate (hit ratio) we'll have done a great job.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

My problem is that just because you like a guy, that doesn't mean he'll be a good player. If you trade two late round picks to move up and get a particular player, and he busts, then you've wasted three picks on one guy that can't play.

It's true that only five or six guys will make this roster, but why not use eight or nine picks to find them? Then your odds are better of finding good players.

 

[Woods]

My problem is that just because you like a guy, that doesn't mean he'll be a good player. If you trade two late round picks to move up and get a particular player, and he busts, then you've wasted three picks on one guy that can't play.

It's true that only five or six guys will make this roster, but why not use eight or nine picks to find them? Then your odds are better of finding good players.

CL,

I could easily see 7-8 picks making the roster.

At the minimum,

1 3rd QB
2 OG/OC
3 WR/PR/Wildcatter
4 DL
5 ILB
6 OLB
7 At least 1 CB (or possbily 2)
8 At least 1 Safety (possibly 2)

But I agree with you that to land 6-8 solid guys, you typically need at least 10-11 picks - and that would constitute a good draft.

 

[Manster54]

Firstly, the Cowboys are a 9-7 team, and have been for 3 out of the past 4 years. We have plenty of room to add depth on our roster.

I can easily think of 11 roster spots on our team, though we probably won't draft 11 players.

1. 3rd QB to develop. B Bollinger is then gone.
2. OG/OC - We need replacement for Berger.
3. OT - We could look to upgrade McQuisten/Free.
4. FB - Cricket is nice and all, but we can do better.
5. WR/PR - Spot may be open due to TO's departure.
6. 3rd blocking TE - Seems the Cowboys may have have interest here given who they are looking at.

7. DL - Could easily use a NT and/or DE
8. ILB - Enough said.
9. OLB - Ellis is on last legs, we need to groom someone.
10. CB - At least 1, if not 2.
11. FS
12. SS - Someone behind Sensabaugh.
13. H-Back type and/or Wildcat guy? Could be in the cards.

Finally, I think the strength of this draft is depth, especially in rounds 3-5. And the Cowboys have been very, very good at finding talent in these rounds over the past few years. (Canty, MBIII, Choice, Scandrick, etc.)

JJ probably will trade around a lot, but I'd be happy using the picks. We've shown that over the past few years we're pretty good at utilizing them.

I figure that with 11 picks and with a 6-7 player success rate (hit ratio) we'll have done a great job.

9-7 but hardly any holes to fill? Teams always need young depth, especially in special teams.

 

[VACowboy]

My problem is that just because you like a guy, that doesn't mean he'll be a good player. If you trade two late round picks to move up and get a particular player, and he busts, then you've wasted three picks on one guy that can't play.

It's true that only five or six guys will make this roster, but why not use eight or nine picks to find them? Then your odds are better of finding good players.

Great point.

 

[LarryCanadian]

That's the Million Dollar question (literally)?

How much do you improve your chances of getting a "Football Player" by moving up in draft. Do you have a better chance of hitting by having 2 late 5th rounders and a 6th or 7th rounder, OR do you stand a better chance with a mid-4th rounder.

There are more factors than just number of picks too. How much does it cost to sign 2 5th and 1 6/7th compared to 1 4th. there is always the chance you hit on 2 out of 3 of those later picks too, not 0 or 1 necessarily. Of course there is also the chance that those late rounders don't even get the opportunity to take meaningful snaps in a preseason or training camps.

Depends on numbers and current roster and depth of draft. This team needs role players, particularly on special teams (tacklers and punt returner in particular). Team also has plenty of depth issues all of a sudden whereas after last year we heard how deep (incorrectly) this team was.

LarryCanadian

 

[Apollo Creed]

Cleveland is usually a good sucker on draft day.

 

[Sandyf]

One thing that we don't have a clue about is our draft board. Trading means that there is someone you want and it appears he isn't going to get to you OR someone that is falling that you didn't think you had a chance at so you move up a few spots to get him.

If the guy or guys you want are gone then you try to move down. If someone isn't there at #51, I could see Jerry moving down to later in the 2nd or for multiple 3rds.

Without knowing what are draft board really looks like, speculation is all we have. Based on Gosselin, Dallas has only given 15 guys a 1st round grade.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

One thing that we don't have a clue about is our draft board. Trading means that there is someone you want and it appears he isn't going to get to you OR someone that is falling that you didn't think you had a chance at so you move up a few spots to get him.

If the guy or guys you want are gone then you try to move down. If someone isn't there at #51, I could see Jerry moving down to later in the 2nd or for multiple 3rds.

Without knowing what are draft board really looks like, speculation is all we have. Based on Gosselin, Dallas has only given 15 guys a 1st round grade.

where did you hear that? this is the time of the year where Goose starts to get his information, so I'm not doubting the veracity of it