A CB problem that many of us foresaw. Jerry's lack of foresight...

superpunk;1609348 said:
Some of us don't need such tiresome run-arounds to keep our positions on certain things from being ridiculous and petty. That way, when some of us bring the stance to our attention, some of us don't need to type out lengthy posts filled with circular logic (most of which is a stretch) to justify why some of our positions aren't hypocritical and based more on personal dislike for an individual - than actual rational thought.

Sometimes you wonder if some of us get the point. If some of our posts require such a stretch in justification, so that they don't sound hypocritical, bitter and petty, maybe some of us ought to rethink some of our stances on some of our opinions.

Sometimes.

and *sometimes* people will stop and realize not everyone communicates in the same manner, thought, or process that you may do it in. or they may not spend the time to be as "articulate" due to just having what they feel is casual convo, not potentail for ridicule.

sometimes.
 
jdub2k4;1609315 said:
I will have to agree that CB has been an ignored position for quite sometime now. I was all for the Cowboys drafting Chris Houston or Marcus McCauley instead of Spencer this year, and I was all for the Cowboys drafting Antonio Cromartie, Kelly Jennings, or Johnathan Joseph last year instead of Carpenter. I thought that CB was more of an impact position and more rare than finding good OLB depth. I still believe there was good value on the board after Spencer was taken that would have fit in just as well at OLB such as Charles Johnson or Dan Bazuin. I still to this day feel that even after the trade down which gave us an extra #1 next year (excellent move) We could have gotten better value than what we did. But I am not the GM, and it is what it is; we can't change the draft now, so the best we can do is hope that Spencer is another Merriman in the making and one of the other CBs steps up if Newman is to remain hurt for the rest of the season.

If Dallas went for a corner instead of Carpenter and/or Spencer, Dallas fans would be screaming about the lack of depth at LB.......What kind of team pins their LB hopes on a player switching positions (Ellis last year) or coming off of a major injury in his 30s (Ellis this year) or a player that can never stay healthy (Burnett, this and every other year).

If Dallas doesn't draft Spencer, who do you have at backup linebacker?


It's the nature of the beast with an expanded league.
 
Yeagermeister;1609247 said:
Yeah another cb thread. We don't have enough of those. :rolleyes:

Or another "I told you we should have drafted so-and-so!" thread... Those are even better.
 
We shoulda picked up Dre Bly and Asante Samuels. That way we could be sure to have millions of dollars sitting on the bench. Way to go Jones. Everyone else does it.
 
You have to balance what you need with what is available and what picks you have. Prior to Tnews injury, we were in good shape at CB. You cannot try and predict injuries- unless you have someone that is injured all the time.
 
StanleySpadowski;1609368 said:
If Dallas went for a corner instead of Carpenter and/or Spencer, Dallas fans would be screaming about the lack of depth at LB.......What kind of team pins their LB hopes on a player switching positions (Ellis last year) or coming off of a major injury in his 30s (Ellis this year) or a player that can never stay healthy (Burnett, this and every other year).

If Dallas doesn't draft Spencer, who do you have at backup linebacker?


It's the nature of the beast with an expanded league.

Stop it SS you are making to much sense :laugh1:
 
Yeagermeister;1609422 said:
Stop it SS you are making to much sense :laugh1:

BAN 'EM!!

1 YEAR!

NEXT!!

The Zone ****........................:D
 
It's not like Jerrah or Ireland weren't going to draft a cb next year.

Look at Atlanta. If Dante Hall goes down they and the rest of the posters would blame their gm too for a "lack of foresight"

It is very hard to find a shutdown corner like Newman. If a team is lucky enough to pick one up, then the rest of the DB situation is not as bad. Henry is a fine number two and Glenn is a fine nickel player.

Put Henry in a number one spot and we are in trouble. Same with Atlanta and Jimmy Williams or whoever is there.

I am not defending Jerry here as much as any GM in this situation. Jerry and Ireland didn't think there was a corner worth picking, or at least did not think it was worth to pick one next year. Whos to say next year wont be a plethora of DB's in the draft next year. There is a whole country full of CB's who would leap up.

Right now it sucks, but that is how it goes.
 
StanleySpadowski;1609368 said:
If Dallas went for a corner instead of Carpenter and/or Spencer, Dallas fans would be screaming about the lack of depth at LB.......What kind of team pins their LB hopes on a player switching positions (Ellis last year) or coming off of a major injury in his 30s (Ellis this year) or a player that can never stay healthy (Burnett, this and every other year).

If Dallas doesn't draft Spencer, who do you have at backup linebacker?


It's the nature of the beast with an expanded league.

That's why I said we could have found value in the later rounds if we were looking for LB depth. I didn't believe we needed to spend a first round on a linebacker when there were prospects that were available in later rounds that could have the same or similar effects that Spencer has.

Charles Johnson, a 6-2 270 DE that many scouts believe will excel as an edge rusher in the 3-4 was available until round 3 pick 19. Victor Abiamiri was another DE convert on the board and was picked round 2 pick 25. Quentin Moses didn't go until round 3 pick 1. Brian Robison went round 4 pick 3. Dan Bazuin went round 2 pick 30, etc etc....all DE prospects that were expected to do well as 3-4 edge rushers. I feel we could have gotten a CB like Houston and one of these type players later on. I understand it is a moot point to argue that now though. But I do get your point that some position would have been left out and someone would have complained about it, so you are right about that.
 
Hey guys he is right, we absouletly should have drafted a #4 Cb in case Newman got hurt instead of a starting OLB
 
BigDFan5;1609721 said:
Hey guys he is right, we absouletly should have drafted a #4 Cb in case Newman got hurt instead of a starting OLB

The question would have been WHO? All of the decent CBs were already taken.
 
TunaFan33;1609726 said:
The question would have been WHO? All of the decent CBs were already taken.

i'm sure he has a list of names he's heard about who were there.
 
Awakened;1609242 said:
I think Jerry Jones is one of the premier NFL owners. However, I see a troubling tendency. It seems to me that he has an amount of money budgeted for each position, though this is obviously not strictly adhered to. Many of us saw weakness at the cornerback position, and were crying out for a good cornerback to get drafted. Instead, we got the typical 6th & 7th round CB's. This happened two years in a row! I think Jerry tends to be unwilling to use first day draft picks on a position in which has already has a lot of money invested.

The only exceptions to this rule have been OL and DL. But I think this lesson was learned the hard way. Jerry came to believe (with Parcell's help) that OL & DL depth was critical.

Our season is quite likely going to suffer because of an unwillingness to pursue and develop excellent CB depth. What makes this really bizarre is that our top two CB's are both a year away from 30, with Aaron Glenn approaching NFL senior citizen status. How could such a good owner possibly be comfortable with that situation? Very disappointing.

Over the years I've come to the conclusion that having good/great CB's is more of a luxury and that having quality pass rushers is more of a necessity in the NFL. Now, you can't field a team with Pete Hunter, Duane Hawthorne, and Mike Rumph because they simply can't cover at all (although Hunter wasn't *that* bad) and offenses will get the ball off before the pass rush can reasonably arrive in time. However, I believe that Glenn, Henry, and Reeves are much better than the times we've struggled with corners in the past. And the last two years we've been very good at cornerback and it didn't make nearly the impact as a team like the Eagles who had lesser corners but a far better pass rush. The same could be said for the Broncos who had greatly improved their cornerback play, but it didn't lead to better defensive play.

Perhaps Jerry could have gotten a cornerback, but we had major league needs at OLB and we had to look at getting a right guard and replacing Flozell after this season. On top of that, we've got a decent amount of money locked into A. Glenn, Newman, and Henry right now so probably the best way to get a corner back then was through the draft, especially since Newman will be up for renewal.

The fact is that I'm not convinced that I would take a corner in the draft (remember, the first pick originated at #22 when Revis and Leon Hall were already gone) over getting either Spencer, Cleveland's #1, Free, and Marten if Marten works out (and former BC O-Linemen tend to do that in the NFL).

I think most Cowboys and NFL fans consider Phillips to be a defensive guru. And if so, then in reality the loss of decline in play of Newman should put a small dent into the defense's effectiveness, but a good coach should be able to work around it.





YAKUZA
 
watertown;1609955 said:
lets all wait and see how long Newman is out...

Either way-TNew will NO LONGER be returning punts this season.

Frankly-as much as it pains me to type this, IF he were healthy, he'll still be returning punts-didn't it frighten you every time he was back there doing so?
 
superpunk;1609303 said:
It's a full moon.

That's mostly when they come out and post.






Mostly....


Why don't you put her in charge?!!? :bow: :laugh2:


Great movie. Great for quotes, too.


If we lost a WR, everyone would be saying we gambled and lost at that position. You just can't have a steak at every position... just ask Mick.
 

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