A Comparison of Dak to Derek Carr

[plasticman]

Fate whispered in Dak's ears, "You cannot withstand the storm."

Dak replied to fate, "I am the storm."

 

[Toruk_Makto]

This article is going to upset some of the Never Dakers in here.

Very few people actually want Dak to fail. Though there are the @Risen Star's of the world who'd rather be right in defeat than wrong in victory. Kind of embarrassing really.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

Fate whispered in Dak's ears, "You cannot withstand the storm."

Dak roared back, "I am the storm."

A minor amendment.

 

[erod]

The comparison is interesting, but somewhat apples and oranges.

Who was better? Carr as a rookie? Or Dak as a rookie? In this case, it's no contest.

Carr has made great strides since his rookie year and is now a very good QB. With that said, Dak and Carr are very close right now, without Dak having the benefit of 2 additional years to get better yet. It will be interesting to see where Dak is in 2 years compared to where Carr was last year.

Dak inherited the best offensive personnel in the NFL.

Carr......uh, no.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

Dak inherited the best offensive personnel in the NFL.

Carr......uh, no.

If the Raiders' offensive personnel (ignoring the QB) is not a match for Dallas', it's close. Many (including the writer of the article that is the subject of this thread) would say Carr's supporting cast is better than Dak's.

You can't dig up, as the saying goes. Perhaps you should consider replacing some of your dogma with reason.

 

[erod]

If the Raiders' offensive personnel (ignoring the QB) is not a match for Dallas', it's close. Many (including the writer of the article that is the subject of this thread) would say Carr's supporting cast is better than Dak's.

You can't dig up, as the saying goes. Perhaps you should consider replacing some of your dogma with reason.

Wow.

Dak inherited the best offensive line in the NFL, the top rusher in the NFL, a Hall of Fame tight end, and a receiving corps that included Dez Bryant, Cole Beasley, and Terrance Williams.

Look at what Carr played with his rookie year. Not even remotely comparable.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

Wow.

Dak inherited the best offensive line in the NFL, the top rusher in the NFL, a Hall of Fame tight end, and a receiving corps that included Dez Bryant, Cole Beasley, and Terrance Williams.

Look at what Carr played with his rookie year. Not even remotely comparable.

Yeah, if it's a comparison of rookie years, I agree with you. But if we're talking about last year, Carr's supporting cast was at least comparable and many would say better.

 

[Clove]

Those GMs would be fools. Dak will be better than Carr.

Erod is one of those butt hurt Romo fans, just like a few others out there. They hate it that their paper hero never did **** so they're going to destroy any QB that comes in. Who cares?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This article is going to upset some of the Never Dakers in here.

Quincy Carter Called..... He wants his "Never (insert QB name here)" line back. He says he has it trade marked.

 

[erod]

Yeah, if it's a comparison of rookie years, I agree with you. But if we're talking about last year, Carr's supporting cast was at least comparable and many would say better.

Not better than here. Nice offense, but not the run-game machine that is in place here.

And if he didn't get hurt, Carr was very possibly headed for league MVP. He was carrying the load for that offense and playing outstanding.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

Not better than here. Nice offense, but not the run-game machine that is in place here.

And if he didn't get hurt, Carr was very possibly headed for league MVP. He was carrying the load for that offense and playing outstanding.

He was in the running, for sure. With the help of a pass-blocking unit that was probably better than ours (though our guys are far better run blockers) and one of the best set of aerial weapons in the NFL. Let's not understate the quality of his supporting cast.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Dak inherited the best offensive personnel in the NFL.

Carr......uh, no.

People ignore this. It isn't a slight against Dak. It's just the truth.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

If the Raiders' offensive personnel (ignoring the QB) is not a match for Dallas', it's close. Many (including the writer of the article that is the subject of this thread) would say Carr's supporting cast is better than Dak's.

You can't dig up, as the saying goes. Perhaps you should consider replacing some of your dogma with reason.

You think this was true 3 years ago when Carr came in as a rookie?

Hint: it wasn't.

 

[JJHLH1]

Not better than here. Nice offense, but not the run-game machine that is in place here.

And if he didn't get hurt, Carr was very possibly headed for league MVP. He was carrying the load for that offense and playing outstanding.

Carr's MVP chances went out the window after his historically bad game against Kansas City in early December. 17 of 41 for 117 yards. His passer rating of 49.1 was the lowest of his career, and both his yardage total and his 2.85 yards per attempt were the second lowest in NFL history for quarterbacks attempting more than 40 passes in a game. There were too many other strong candidates competing for the award to have a performance like that in a crucial game against a division rival and still hope to win.

 

[LittleD]

Oh boy! 20 pages of Dak vs Carr. Just what we need. Jerry is not trading Dak and
probably wouldn't straight up if a deal was offered. He has his next Romo miracle
in the stable and can blabber about it for the next ten years. He's not giving that up.

 

[Ranched]

Same rule applies to Carr. Last year was his only good year in 3 of them.

2014 - 58.1 comp%, 76.6 qbr.
2015 - 61.1 comp%, 91.1 qbr.
2016 - 63.8 comp%, 96.7 qbr.

Not sure about the other two, but last season the Raiders had a very easy schedule. They did have to play the Chiefs twice, and Andy beat them both times. Mark my words, they will NOT have the same record this season. For starters, they play the NFCE AND the Pats. We all remember what Foles did to the Raiders in their house.....does 7 ring a bell. Nuff said.

 

[Idgit]

You think this was true 3 years ago when Carr came in as a rookie?

Hint: it wasn't.

It definitely wasn't. But then, Carr's rookie season wasn't comparable to Dak's either. I think the comparison is for today.

Derek Carr is a very good QB at this point. But I can't imagine not waiting to see how Dak might develop by his third or fourth season in the league. He ought to get a lot better if he keeps working like he did last season. He's got a chance to be an all-time great.

 

[TheHerd]

Wow.

Dak inherited the best offensive line in the NFL, the top rusher in the NFL, a Hall of Fame tight end, and a receiving corps that included Dez Bryant, Cole Beasley, and Terrance Williams.

Look at what Carr played with his rookie year. Not even remotely comparable.

And Carr's rookie year was bad. Carr has better offensive weapons than Dak from my perspective, and you should agree if I have read all your anti-Dez posts correctly. And with Free at RT, I'd argue Oakland had a better pass blocking line than Dallas. And while Witten is a first ballot HOF for sure, he's not even in the top 10 receiving TEs right now. Dallas certainly runs better, but Oaklands receiving corp is superior to Dallas. Even with a better receiving corps, Carr wasn't as good as Dak, even if we just talk last year.

 

[diefree666]

Same rule applies to Carr. Last year was his only good year in 3 of them.

2014 - 58.1 comp%, 76.6 qbr.
2015 - 61.1 comp%, 91.1 qbr.
2016 - 63.8 comp%, 96.7 qbr.

Lets see. 91 rating for a season is really pretty good so already your post is a loser.

And considering the state of the Raiders when Carr first got there your post is for the second time a loser.

And now I am bored with you.

 

[conner01]

Same rule applies to Carr. Last year was his only good year in 3 of them.

2014 - 58.1 comp%, 76.6 qbr.
2015 - 61.1 comp%, 91.1 qbr.
2016 - 63.8 comp%, 96.7 qbr.

15 and 16 very similar
What you want is steady improvement
He has done that
Hard to compare the two at this point. 3 or 4 years down the road you can actually have a comparison