A Contrast In Culture: The Futility Of The Rams May Illustrate What Is Right About The Cowboys

Mr Cowboy

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You have to give Jerry credit, when Garrett first became head coach, he was exactly as Lomabrdi described in the article, he took care of the offense, and the DC took the defense. Jerry forced Garrett, after a few years, to loose the OC duties and become a head coach of the entire team. That has a lot to do with the turn around in Garrett's recent success.
 

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You have to give Jerry credit, when Garrett first became head coach, he was exactly as Lomabrdi described in the article, he took care of the offense, and the DC took the defense. Jerry forced Garrett, after a few years, to loose the OC duties and become a head coach of the entire team. That has a lot to do with the turn around in Garrett's recent success.

Yep, that's been Garretts value to this team

The team became better and better the more irrelevant Garrett became to it
At this point Garrett is a place holder that gives PCs and spouts cliches
 

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The underlying reason he fails to mention: For some reason, in recent years Jerry's been willing to accept the staff's (Stephen/Jason/Will) peace offering that allows him (Jerry) to make the second round pick every year in exchange for his promise to stop meddling in the process of running the team.
Jerry picked Awuzie?
 

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Building team culture however does not take 5-10 years, great coaches come in and turn things around within a year or 2.

When you're turning over pretty much the entire roster, it takes longer than just a couple of years. Particularly if you're being frugal in free agency.

Dallas changed the way it did everything associated with acquiring and keeping talent. That was always going to take a while.
 

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The underlying reason he fails to mention: For some reason, in recent years Jerry's been willing to accept the staff's (Stephen/Jason/Will) peace offering that allows him (Jerry) to make the second round pick every year in exchange for his promise to stop meddling in the process of running the team.

I see.

Successful first-round picks equal Jones not making the choice. Unsuccessful second-round pick means Jones making the choice.

Wouldn't it be easier to just blame him for all the picks who don't turn out?
 

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When you're turning over pretty much the entire roster, it takes longer than just a couple of years. Particularly if you're being frugal in free agency.

Dallas changed the way it did everything associated with acquiring and keeping talent. That was always going to take a while.

Let's wait and see
The next 2-3 years will tell us what we need to know
 

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because of my frustration with some of the picks over the years i am sure i will test positive for all sorts of drugs...just trying to cope gents
 

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Let's wait and see
The next 2-3 years will tell us what we need to know
We'll spend as a matter of prudence. Had our defensive picks worked out as our offensive picks had we'd be preparing big deals for Lawrence and Hardy like we are for Martin.

I suspect the failure of those guys to be worth 2nd contracts will allow us to do what isn't our preference and kick the tires in free agency (a lot like the Patriots did this offseason after pretty bad draft history the last few years).

I suspect any deals they do do will be for players in the younger side.

Also by all accounts the Cowboys were prepared to be big players for JPP but then the Giants surprised and tagged him.
 

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I wouldnt write about how great we are when we havent won a playoff game since 1996 but the team the writer is comparing us to has been to SB twice in same time span.
yeah 13-3 was great but means nothing if Garrett continues to show he cant game plan or prepare for the playoffs. The first half vs GB remains some of the worst coaching I've ever seen.
 

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I wouldnt write about how great we are when we havent won a playoff game since 1996 but the team the writer is comparing us to has been to SB twice in same time span.
yeah 13-3 was great but means nothing if Garrett continues to show he cant game plan or prepare for the playoffs. The first half vs GB remains some of the worst coaching I've ever seen.
That's not true.

I'd also point out that earning a bye is as good as a playoff win to me. Not sure why that's unrecognized.

But point is understood. We need to be better when it matters.
 

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Could you please provide an example of a coach coming in and building team culture while turning things around within a year or two?

In 2009 Garrett was OC of the cowboys
The team went 11-5 and won a playoff game

Next year Garrett took over in mid year

SO

Garrett inherited an 11-5 team that had won a playoff game the year before AND already knew his offensive system

AND inherited a top 5 franchise QB who ALREADY knew his system

AND inherited a HOF LDE and TE

Even now after 6 years we have

The same owner
The same GM

(So I'm not sure what CHANGE you are talking about)

He took over an 11-5 team that had won a playoff game and had a top 5 QB already familiar with his system

That is about as gift wrapped a team as you can get

And in 6 years we are barely above 500 with 1 playoff victory and 2 playoff appearances

With a top 5 QB

That is a pathetic track record
 

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Burnett went on to have a great career with the Chargers and the Dolphins. Spears, Carpenter, Felix and Claiborne ALL went where the consensus grade was on them.

Spears didn't work out because he wasn't a 3-4 DE. He was more of a 4-3 DT. Burnett just took time to develop and turned into a very good player.

Between Wade being the HC and Garrett's early struggles with developing offensive talent as the O-Coordinator, we completely screwed the pooch on Felix. Something tells me that if the Patriots drafted Felix, he would have had an entirely better career.

Claiborne was meant to be a press man corner and had a very good rookie season in that system. Once we changed to more zone coverage he struggled. He was still rated as the #1 defensive player in that draft as a general consensus.

Parcells screwed the pooch on Julius Jones by making him bigger and losing his quickness and cutting ability. He was drafted *exactly* where the general consensus had him.

Quincy was over-drafted, but also look at who was coaching him (Campo).

Dwayne Goodrich went exactly where he was rated to go, but again...look who was coaching him.

I'll take for instance...Carl Peterson who used to be the GM of the KC Chiefs. When he had Marty Schottenheimer as his head coach, the Chiefs had 'great drafts.' When they switched to Gunther Cunningham, their drafts were no longer as good. Then he hired Dick Vermeil and the Chiefs were continually churning out excellent draft classes and then he hired Herm Edwards and their drafts were putrid.

Speaking of Schottenheimer, the Chargers could almost do no wrong in the draft with Marty coaching the team. Of course, AJ Smith's over-inflated self importance had to fire Marty because it was AJ's picks making the Chargers dominant...not Marty's coaching. And then he hired Norv Turner and just like everywhere else Norv coached, their draft classes went to the toilet.

But the obvious scenario is to look at Jerry and see that when Jimmy was the HC, the drafts were excellent and then they got poorer under Chan Gailey and even worse under Dave Campo, only to get better under Parcells, get worse under Wade and now become very good under Garrett (even before McClay came to the team).

It's why the GM position is the most overrated position in the NFL. It's not unimportant, but this entire idea that some Yoda like figure has this special 'eye for talent' couldn't be more of a myth if it was written back in the 16th Century.





YR

Respect your opinion but I believe the GM is more important than you do. I see a synergy with McClay and the coaches which does nothing to make me think we have mini Jimmy Johnson's coaching up our players. Our drafts are successful and I praise Will McClay for bringing that to the front office. I think we have some above average position coaches, barely above average head coach. Making a case for Garrett being a great coach is a difficult argument. I still tend to think of him more as a bus driver.
 

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Let's wait and see
The next 2-3 years will tell us what we need to know
Agreed brother.

I know you don't like Garrett and I know he's made plenty of mistakes in game situations (learned on the job)... but I honestly think he's a big part of the current health of the franchise.

Anyway, I don't want to argue with a guy I usually tend to agree with so I'll just say I hope I'm right and you're wrong. We will be much better off as a team if it is that way.
 

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In 2009 Garrett was OC of the cowboys
The team went 11-5 and won a playoff game

Next year Garrett took over in mid year

SO

Garrett inherited an 11-5 team that had won a playoff game the year before AND already knew his offensive system

AND inherited a top 5 franchise QB who ALREADY knew his system

AND inherited a HOF LDE and TE

Even now after 6 years we have

The same owner
The same GM

(So I'm not sure what CHANGE you are talking about)

He took over an 11-5 team that had won a playoff game and had a top 5 QB already familiar with his system

That is about as gift wrapped a team as you can get

And in 6 years we are barely above 500 with 1 playoff victory and 2 playoff appearances

With a top 5 QB

That is a pathetic track record
Actually, you just provided the perfect example of not having a plan, no team culture, and the devastation it can cause even to team with talent.

Here is what you are missing:

Who was in charge of the team?

In 2010, The person designated as the Head Coach Wade Phillips, was also given the task of being the defensive coordinator. As expected, he answered directly to the GM, Jerry Jones.

However, Phillips did not participate in any decisions regarding the offense other than game time decisions. The offensive coordinator, Jason Garrett, answered directly to the GM.

Now, when the guy who is the DC and the guy who is the OC both answer to the same guy, typically, what is that person's title?

That's right! In 2010 the Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys was Jerry Jones. Want some kind of proof. In the very first series of the first regular season game the Cowboys are looking good despite missing three starting offensive linemen all preseason. They make it all the way to the Commander 35 when all of a sudden here comes the Cowboys 1st round pick, a rookie receiver Dez Bryant. Dez did not play a single preseason down, he was injured the whole time.

The 1st down play is a sideline pass to Dez in front of a pro bowl CB. It gains nothing. The 2nd play is exactly the same with the same results. The drive is ruined, the very first driv of the season when they could have made a statement, to themselves as much as anybody else. They go on to lose that game and six of the next seven.

The team was made up of high paid veteran which was productive at first but faltered the minute Parcells exited. Whatotivation did they have? None! Why? Because of their contracts they were automatically given starting slots. They never had to earn them. Even worse, they had no competition from their very low paid backups, due to the starter's cap hits.

Big contract, handed the starting job on a platter, done! And they often played like that.

There was no plan for talent acquisition, it was simply, fill the holes. Trouble with that is, if you fill that hole with a high paid veteran or top draft pick and figure you are done them you are still only one play away from being right where you were before. And that happened often.

Injuries killed seasons because the backups could not fill the void, there wasn't much talent there anyway and they never got the chance to compete so there was zero motivation as well.

There was no team chemistry, just locker room cliques, there were disruptive personalities that were selfish, not team oriented, guys who felt like they didn't need to work with the team.

Everything that Parcells built came crashing down fast. The offensive line was in ruins, three old guys with talent combined with marginal NFL skills. The QB was gone, out for the season. The defense had been in decline since Wade took over. Yes, they were a 3-4 defense with 3-4 guys but Wade used a completely different philosophy than Parcells. The defense had been built for the old style 3-4, big guys up front whose job it was to clog the lanes and funnel the action to the linebackers. The linebackers were big fast guys with true linebackers instincts. The quarterback pressure came from the "mystery" blitzer, the unknown 4th pass rusher that confused the pass blocking.

Wade's 3-4 was basically a 4-3 playing out of position. We always knew who that 4th guy was and so did our opponent.

The most tragic and pathetic part of it came after the Green Bay drubbing when a completely stunned and deflated Jerry Jones vowed to get to the bottom of it all and determine the problem. I'm would have loved to have been in the room when Stephen Jones confronted his father with the truth.

Enter Jason Garrett:

Ex NFL quarterback, ivy league alum, son of a career NFL scout, clipboard holder for none other than Jimmy Johnson.

Jason Garrett detailed his plan, exactly how he was going to change the culture through competition, drafting intelligently, guys with leadership qualities, never filling holes with big contracts but creating competitive squads with close nit teammates.

It took several years to turn the team around, it would have been shorter but Jerry would still insist on "helping" now and then. These days he helps less and his team wins more.

The other guys, Stephen Jones and the personnel guy are big contributors but the driving force is Jason Garrett. He has created a team, not to win the SB in q specific year but to compete for championships for many years to come.
 

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I wouldnt write about how great we are when we havent won a playoff game since 1996 but the team the writer is comparing us to has been to SB twice in same time span.
yeah 13-3 was great but means nothing if Garrett continues to show he cant game plan or prepare for the playoffs. The first half vs GB remains some of the worst coaching I've ever seen.

You sure you're a cowboys fan?
 
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