A couple roster evaluations I don't understand

[Stash]

Sure but he was the OC, Wade was the HC, and I am Stephen has been more involved in these Garrett years than he had been previously. McClay was not in his role either.

The overall dynamic is certainly monumentally improved. Good people, right where they need to be.

 

[texbumthelife]

People harping on Dunbar make absolutely no sense. The guy is a third running back. What team's third running back sees significant snaps? As a third back he has great versatility as a 3rd down back and plays STs. He knows the system and you never hear anything negative about him. THAT's why he is here.

 

[xwalker]

Easier to forget about missed 3rd rounders when you're dealing with 12-15 draft picks in total, isn't it?

And I'm not saying that nobody makes them, but I'm glad when it's other teams doing it. But I don't cover my eyes or gloss over it when it's the Cowboys doing it either.

You're not accomplishing anything or helping anybody in any way by "not covering your eyes".

You could do something that requires work and show the hit/miss on draft picks for the Cowboys and other teams to see if the Cowboys are doing well or doing poorly.

Escobar is not realy a fail. He is just not the optimal pick in retrospect.

 

[BAT]

People harping on Dunbar make absolutely no sense. The guy is a third running back. What team's third running back sees significant snaps? As a third back he has great versatility as a 3rd down back and plays STs. He knows the system and you never hear anything negative about him. THAT's why he is here.

Dunbar is not the typical 3rd string back up. He is one third of a RB by committee approach.

 

[Stash]

You're not accomplishing anything or helping anybody in any way by "not covering your eyes".

You could do something that requires work and show the hit/miss on draft picks for the Cowboys and other teams to see if the Cowboys are doing well or doing poorly.

Escobar is not realy a fail. He is just not the optimal pick in retrospect.

And I've never claimed that he was. But now you see the typical 'all or nothing' reaction any sort of criticism of the Cowboys gets? You've just proved it yourself.

Go back in this thread and I've repeatedly said that they were all fine players, Fasano, Bennett, and Escobar. But the draft picks could have and should have been used more effectively.

 

[jterrell]

People seem to hate having quality depth. If a player like Escobar is not playing a lot of snaps, then people get irritated that he was not worth the pick.

It's not as if Escobar has failed. He is a really good receiving TE when given the opportunity. He practically took over the game last year in the home game against the Giants but was not used much afterwards.

which would be less ironic if they then didn't suggest drafting players that would have also been given a limited involvement because of our depth....

 

[Jenky]

Lance Dunbar

I don't understand how his job has been so seemingly safe. He obviously has open field talent, but it's nothing so extraordinary that Randle and McFadden couldn't take on. He is not someone I want in there to block a blitzing LB and in my opinion most likely cannot handle significant carries without getting hurt or fumbling. Also, for someone in their 3rd or 4th year, he is a liability in special teams coverage as evidenced by the last preseason game against Minny. I'm certainly not saying he is a scrub, he's got some talent, but I don't think he provides enough value on the current roster and the current RB makeup. I would much rather have a bigger, more physical back who can be relied upon for 3rd (and 4th) down and short distances (especially since McFadden and Randle aren't super physical themselves).

Geoff Swaim and James Hanna

Since when did Hanna become known as a good blocking tight end? I know he's been trying to play that role in previous seasons, but can we honestly say he's been doing that really well? I have been reading reports by Broaddus saying things like Swaim has a ways to go to become the blocker Hanna is. The scouting report since day 1 on Hanna has been he's "much more of a crafty receiving threat than he is a blocker". Yet the scouting report on Swaim is that he spent most of his time as a blocker than a receiver. I'm guessing we keep 4 tight ends, but if we keep 3, I think Swaim is the better fit given Escobar's less than stellar blocking ability.

In regards to the Lance Dunbar thing -- I said that before the season started LAST year.

 

[xwalker]

And I've never claimed that he was. But now you see the typical 'all or nothing' reaction any sort of criticism of the Cowboys gets? You've just proved it yourself.

Go back in this thread and I've repeatedly said that they were all fine players, Fasano, Bennett, and Escobar. But the draft picks could have and should have been used more effectively.

If a person or group of people change their process, then they might have some hits that would have been misses before but then some of their past successes might not have occured.

An investor can change his process to stay in a stock longer which will lead to better gains on some trades but will often lead to long term failure. Long term investors rarely get the max return from each trade but tend to win in the long run vs day traders that make some incredible trades but generally fail in the long run.

 

[Stash]

which would be less ironic if they then didn't suggest drafting players that would have also been given a limited involvement because of our depth....

Or less "ironic" if we didn't draft a far inferior running back that same year...

 

[xwalker]

which would be less ironic if they then didn't suggest drafting players that would have also been given a limited involvement because of our depth....

People seem to have a hard time visualizing how things would change if one specific event changed. If a free safety goes right and a runner gets past him to the left it is hard for people to visualize that if the safety had gone left that the runner would not have followed the same path. They just think if the safety had gone the opposite way that he would have been in the perfect spot.

 

[BAT]

Lance Dunbar

I don't understand how his job has been so seemingly safe. He obviously has open field talent, but it's nothing so extraordinary that Randle and McFadden couldn't take on. He is not someone I want in there to block a blitzing LB and in my opinion most likely cannot handle significant carries without getting hurt or fumbling. Also, for someone in their 3rd or 4th year, he is a liability in special teams coverage as evidenced by the last preseason game against Minny. I'm certainly not saying he is a scrub, he's got some talent, but I don't think he provides enough value on the current roster and the current RB makeup. I would much rather have a bigger, more physical back who can be relied upon for 3rd (and 4th) down and short distances (especially since McFadden and Randle aren't super physical themselves).

Easily solve this issue by trading for SF sensation Jarryd Hayne. Hayne instantly improves return game and coverage vs. Dunbar. As a RB Hayne offers a different kind of running style to RBBC, better complements Randle and DMC.

Niners are desperate for upgrade on their OL. Maybe a mid-late round pick plus OT Gibson may be enough to sway them.

 

[texbumthelife]

Dunbar is not the typical 3rd string back up. He is one third of a RB by committee approach.

Nothing the Cowboys have done with him since he has been here suggests that. Until they show that during an actual season, there is no reason to believe that's true. He's a third string, change of pace back with versatility who plays special teams.

Just so we're clear, I am defending the guy, not bashing him. I think anymore complaining about Dunbar sincerely needs to get a hobby because he's given no one any reason to complain. he doesn't control his snaps. When he has been on the field in whatever capacity, however, he's done fairly well.

 

[BAT]

Nothing the Cowboys have done with him since he has been here suggests that. Until they show that during an actual season, there is no reason to believe that's true. He's a third string, change of pace back with versatility who plays special teams.

Just so we're clear, I am defending the guy, not bashing him. I think anymore complaining about Dunbar sincerely needs to get a hobby because he's given no one any reason to complain. he doesn't control his snaps. When he has been on the field in whatever capacity, however, he's done fairly well.

He's redundant.

 

[jterrell]

Or less "ironic" if we didn't draft a far inferior running back that same year...

Maybe he is far inferior and maybe he isn't.
Bell was given a chance Randle hasn't til now.
Randle's YPC average last year was almost a full yard per carry more than the next RB with 50+ carries: Darren Sproles.

The fact you miss the obvious is becoming tiresome, welcome to ignore.

 

[Stash]

Maybe he is far inferior and maybe he isn't.
Bell was given a chance Randle hasn't til now.
Randle's YPC average last year was almost a full yard per carry more than the next RB with 50+ carries: Darren Sproles.

The fact you miss the obvious is becoming tiresome, welcome to ignore.

Yay!

Have fun with your temper tantrum!

 

[Ring Leader]

This is why we can not have nice things.

Well done.

 

[Stash]

He's redundant.

Exactly. McFadden can handle anything Dunbar does, and for as long as he's healthy do a better job of it.

 

[T-RO]

Lance Dunbar

I don't understand how his job has been so seemingly safe. He obviously has open field talent, but it's nothing so extraordinary that Randle and McFadden couldn't take on. He is not someone I want in there to block a blitzing LB and in my opinion most likely cannot handle significant carries without getting hurt or fumbling. Also, for someone in their 3rd or 4th year, he is a liability in special teams coverage as evidenced by the last preseason game against Minny. I'm certainly not saying he is a scrub, he's got some talent, but I don't think he provides enough value on the current roster and the current RB makeup. I would much rather have a bigger, more physical back who can be relied upon for 3rd (and 4th) down and short distances (especially since McFadden and Randle aren't super physical themselves).

Geoff Swaim and James Hanna

Since when did Hanna become known as a good blocking tight end? I know he's been trying to play that role in previous seasons, but can we honestly say he's been doing that really well? I have been reading reports by Broaddus saying things like Swaim has a ways to go to become the blocker Hanna is. The scouting report since day 1 on Hanna has been he's "much more of a crafty receiving threat than he is a blocker". Yet the scouting report on Swaim is that he spent most of his time as a blocker than a receiver. I'm guessing we keep 4 tight ends, but if we keep 3, I think Swaim is the better fit given Escobar's less than stellar blocking ability.

I agree about Dunbar--or to be more accurate, I think we should decide between Randle and Dunbar. Having two RBs who are small and can't protect the quarterback is a luxury we can't afford when our quarterback is older with a bad back.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Dunbar is a waste of roster space. I've been saying this all along. Not that he isn't talented. But MacFadden and Randle are the same types of backs and his ability to block leaves one to wonder if he's going to get Romo killed.

I'd rather have a bruising back that can break tackles and get the tough yardage as well as have the ability to block. Dunbar isn't it and really isn't needed on this team.

 

[texbumthelife]

Dunbar is a waste of roster space. I've been saying this all along. Not that he isn't talented. But MacFadden and Randle are the same types of backs and his ability to block leaves one to wonder if he's going to get Romo killed.

I'd rather have a bruising back that can break tackles and get the tough yardage as well as have the ability to block. Dunbar isn't it and really isn't needed on this team.

He's on the roster. His name is Tyler Clutts. And that still has nothing to do with Dunbar being the third string running back.