A few bullet points

Nova said:
I’m not happy so far with the FO, but can’t think of it like this.

Osa is a good player, but he alone doesn’t move the needle for SF.

If Osa doesn’t fit the scheme here, and you’re able to offload his contract and pick up a 3rd, that’s good.

What they do with the pick and cap space is more important to how I feel about the move.
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Yep, I'm on record for liking both the Howell signing and the Osa trade.

All the rest so far has been meh or less.
 
Verdict said:
The fact Mosher said that makes me even more convinced I am correct. Lol. He is pretty emotional over OSA.
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Yeah it really says the Cowboys made a mistake signing Osa. One of many mistakes the Joneses made in 2025. :facepalm:
 
Verdict said:
1. No one is talking about this right now but the Cowboys won a couple of meaningless games at the end of last season. Cowboys should have evaluated young players during that time and improved their draft pick selection. THAT is the difference between getting a sure fire blue chip prospect and possibly missing out on one altogether in this draft class.

2. How many of you would lose your mind if a blue chip player is still there at pick #12 (Styles/Down/Delane/Love/OT) and the Cowboys trade down for more picks? I can see why people might melt down over this scenario, but realistically numbers probably help this team more than one top tier player would.

3. What do you believe are the odds that Dallas will:

A. Trade Down from 12
B. Trade down from 20
C. Trade down from 12 and 20?
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Not necessarily given the way the Cowboys have missed on even first rounders of late (Mazi Smith). Man...if Styles is there at #12 and they don't pick him there will be literally hell to pay. Kinda thing a GM should get fired for.

I'm thinking they could possibly trade UP, given the 3rd they got from the 49ers. Cleveland would be a good team to call at #6. If Styles is still on the board I would at least consider it.
 
Verdict said:
1. No one is talking about this right now but the Cowboys won a couple of meaningless games at the end of last season. Cowboys should have evaluated young players during that time and improved their draft pick selection. THAT is the difference between getting a sure fire blue chip prospect and possibly missing out on one altogether in this draft class.

2. How many of you would lose your mind if a blue chip player is still there at pick #12 (Styles/Down/Delane/Love/OT) and the Cowboys trade down for more picks? I can see why people might melt down over this scenario, but realistically numbers probably help this team more than one top tier player would.

3. What do you believe are the odds that Dallas will:

A. Trade Down from 12
B. Trade down from 20
C. Trade down from 12 and 20?
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Do you remember the 1995, 1996, and 2009 drafts? Those drafts are the reason you do not want Jerry Dumbo GM Jones trading down and out of picks.

Styles and Love are game changing players like Parsons was and the Jonesboys lucked up to get him. We know the rest of that his story.
 
eromeopolk said:
Do you remember the 1995, 1996, and 2009 drafts? Those drafts are the reason you do not want Jerry Dumbo GM Jones trading down and out of picks.

Styles and Love are game changing players like Parsons was and the Jonesboys lucked up to get him. We know the rest of that his story.
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ha was 2009 the "speical teams" draft....should of just called it the special draft
 
Verdict said:
1. No one is talking about this right now but the Cowboys won a couple of meaningless games at the end of last season. Cowboys should have evaluated young players during that time and improved their draft pick selection. THAT is the difference between getting a sure fire blue chip prospect and possibly missing out on one altogether in this draft class.

2. How many of you would lose your mind if a blue chip player is still there at pick #12 (Styles/Down/Delane/Love/OT) and the Cowboys trade down for more picks? I can see why people might melt down over this scenario, but realistically numbers probably help this team more than one top tier player would.

3. What do you believe are the odds that Dallas will:

A. Trade Down from 12
B. Trade down from 20
C. Trade down from 12 and 20?
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Sure fire blue chip like a 6th round QB who won 7 SBs?
 
kramskoi said:
Flamed out veteran whose pressure and QB hit rate is at the 85th percentile? I'll say fool instead of a more pejorative appellation.
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He might be talking on how he started the 1st 7 games before Micah got hurt with 7 and a half sacks.ALL of his production was dependent on Micah.

Once Micah went down he went 10 straight sack less games including playoff. Fast pressure win rate dipped from 3.71 to 3.1. Had 4 straight pressure less games.

Clowney didn't even have a Micah helping him along and he did better.

I think that's his perjorative line of thinking.
 
75boyz said:
He might be talking on how he started the 1st 7 games before Micah got hurt with 7 and a half sacks.ALL of his production was dependent on Micah.

Once Micah went down he went 10 straight sack less games including playoff. Fast pressure win rate dipped from 3.71 to 3.1. Had 4 straight pressure less games.

Clowney didn't even have a Micah helping him along and he did better.

I think that's his perjorative line of thinking.
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But that's recency bias. I look at the entire body of work. His statistics for 2025 alone still mark him as a very good #2 pass rusher. I think it's telling that they didn't simply bring back Clowney...and instead chose Gary.
 
75boyz said:
Yeah, and as a guy who dives deeper on player acquisition and their previous analytics and only as good as their last game...

How would you compare what Gary did in his last 10 consecutive games of not getting a sack after Micah got hurt to what Clowney produced even without a Micah presence?

Would you call that a production wash when comparing the 2 or no?

Just curious.
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Honestly that's a fantastic question that I don't have a great answer that I'm married to.

First off let me say that I do like Gary as a player, but I put him more in the category of good not great, and hes a guy you could probably replicate for less than $20m a year and a draft pick. Hes sort of a poor mans version of DLaw that makes more money....which a lot of people would call Clowney a poor mans version of DLaw but he is likely to come pretty cheap.

My only issue with Clowney is that what we got last year is probably his absolute ceiling and most likely an unrealistic scenario for the 34 year old version of himself to repeat, and some regression should be expected in addition to the fact that hes a high 20 something snap player at this point in his career. Gary on the other hand has been regressing for years now and even when Parsons was healthy he got some favorable situations to take advantage of but was never really great for GB.

Per NFL NGS:

2025 Gary
  • 387 passing snaps
  • 7.5 sacks
  • 47 pressures
    • 8 under 3 seconds
  • 4.72 average time to sack
  • 3.21 average time to pressure
2025 Clowney
  • 206 passing snaps
  • 8.5 sacks
  • 38 pressures
    • 8 under 3 seconds
  • 6.29 average time to sack
  • 2.90 average time to pressure
If I'm picking one or the other with no other factors I'd probably take Gary as I like his size in addition to the possibility of Clowney regressing from his 2025 numbers. But once we factor into it that we gave up a draft pick and owe him $20m per year (as of right now) I cant help but think we could have had a top LB from this FA class, Clowney and kept our draft pick.

I'd have to throw on some tape of him down the stretch last year to have a strong opinion on the subject, but PFF certainly didn't like Gary last year and neither did the Packers apparently. I like the addition of the player, but I don't love this being the headline move for the Cowboys, nor do I love the utilization of resources on the player.
 
kramskoi said:
But that's recency bias. I look at the entire body of work. His statistics for 2025 alone still mark him as a very good #2 pass rusher. I think it's telling that they didn't simply bring back Clowney...and instead chose Gary.
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I guess I'm more the descending pattern or only as good as your last game played type and you are more a general cumulative whole history outlook type.

Guess we'll see what type he is.
But there ain't no Micah here to help.
 
thunderpimp91 said:
Honestly that's a fantastic question that I don't have a great answer that I'm married to.

First off let me say that I do like Gary as a player, but I put him more in the category of good not great, and hes a guy you could probably replicate for less than $20m a year and a draft pick. Hes sort of a poor mans version of DLaw that makes more money....which a lot of people would call Clowney a poor mans version of DLaw but he is likely to come pretty cheap.

My only issue with Clowney is that what we got last year is probably his absolute ceiling and most likely an unrealistic scenario for the 34 year old version of himself to repeat, and some regression should be expected in addition to the fact that hes a high 20 something snap player at this point in his career. Gary on the other hand has been regressing for years now and even when Parsons was healthy he got some favorable situations to take advantage of but was never really great for GB.

Per NFL NGS:

2025 Gary
  • 387 passing snaps
  • 7.5 sacks
  • 47 pressures
    • 8 under 3 seconds
  • 4.72 average time to sack
  • 3.21 average time to pressure
2025 Clowney
  • 206 passing snaps
  • 8.5 sacks
  • 38 pressures
    • 8 under 3 seconds
  • 6.29 average time to sack
  • 2.90 average time to pressure
If I'm picking one or the other with no other factors I'd probably take Gary as I like his size in addition to the possibility of Clowney regressing from his 2025 numbers. But once we factor into it that we gave up a draft pick and owe him $20m per year (as of right now) I cant help but think we could have had a top LB from this FA class, Clowney and kept our draft pick.

I'd have to throw on some tape of him down the stretch last year to have a strong opinion on the subject, but PFF certainly didn't like Gary last year and neither did the Packers apparently. I like the addition of the player, but I don't love this being the headline move for the Cowboys, nor do I love the utilization of resources on the player.
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Fair enough TP, you know how I highly respect your opinion here and I appreciate your detailed response.
I would have just re-signed Clowney on some type of conditional situational pass rusher type contract if he was open to that type deal.

I'm just not big on Garys last 10 games in a steep decline of fast win pressure, pressures in general and of course, zero sacks.

I've kinda been one of those you're only as good as your last game guys and think Gary needs a Micah type presence to be anything more than Clowney. And Clowney didn't have Micah. There's a few more of the older proven pass rush crowd still available that I would take over Gary as well. Not just Clowney.

But no worries.
I hope Gary looks like Lawrence Taylor trust me.
I just have strong doubts.

In my opinion there's still gaping hole(s) at edge, linebacker and offensive tackle.

Like you, Im not a fan of the half or quarter measure attempts so far demonstrated by this Cowboys free agency plan.

jmo
 
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These picks mean zero under Jerry who quite frankly, is a horrible picker of talent. And for the life of me, if he actually picks someone good, they'll be gone in 4 years because he's too stupid/cheap to keep them, so... better off trading for Maxx or someone special like that and move on.
 
Coogiguy03 said:
Let's please remember that there has to be someone that's willing to trade. Right now it's all HOPE
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Teams desperate for a QB will overdraft Ty Simpson. Dallas' 12 pick could be the prime spot for teams to want to leapfrog others for him.
 
XXLMike said:
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This guy purposely left out the Jalen Thompson signing, the Cowboys' first big investment at safety in decades.

And to call Gary "flamed out" tells me he has the football IQ of a deflated beach ball.
 
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