A few notes on Stephen Paea

[itsaboat]

I wanted to join in the Paea discussion so I took a few notes. Hopefully you guys can get a little more information on a potential player for Dallas in free agency. There are a lot of gifs to watch, enjoy!

http://itsaboat.com/football/paea.htm

#92 - Stephen Paea
Stephen Paea has been brought up as a candidate to come in and play the 1-tech position for us. I've already seen the Dallas film so I watched three more games: San Fran, NY Jets, and Detroit.
I saw a guy who has a good to great burst off the line, solid snap anticipation, plays with power, and shows some athleticism. He played a lot of snaps at the 1-tech but also played a lot of snaps at the 3-tech. He can penetrate from either position which is what Marinelli wants from his rushmen, versatility.

His performance against Detroit was particularly impressive when you compare his stats to our interior against the same offensive line a couple of weeks later. Paea played 48 snaps and had 3 QB hits and 3 hurries. Hayden, Crawford, T.McClain, and Brent played a combine 135 snaps and had 0 QB hits and 4 hurries.

Paea would be a huge upgrade over Hayden. He does everything Hayden can do but better and has pass rush abilities. The knock on Paea is his health. 2014 was the first season he played all 16 games. Chicago is going to more of a 3-4 defense and I've read people aren't expecting him to stick around. If Dallas is interested and can sign him at the right price, which is key, I think he would pay immediate dividends.

Anyways, here are some plays so you can judge for yourself:

PASS RUSH

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[FuzzyLumpkins]

Good short area quickness. Decent power and body control. Limited finisher but disruptive push up the middle.

You really need to watch a NT play a whole game to get a feel for them though. Not saying you didn't as you put the article together. I am just saying I have not. Looks like he can use his hands and use proper technique on double teams but I need to see him do it over 40 snaps consistently.

He is obviously better than Hayden and his single digit QB pressures. He also seems better than McClain. He is better than 2014 Brent but he is not better than 2012 Brent. Bishop is a better athlete but has shorter arms. He's as green as grass.

I don't hate the idea especially with Coleman on the rocks but I was thinking more along the lines of a top 100 pick or two to bolster the ranks. Of course if the price is right, I can come to love the idea.

 

[Galian Beast]

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...stephen-paea-rod-marinelli-minor-knee-surgery

Paea making strong case for playing time
2nd-year defensive tackle has impressed Marinelli at both inside positions
August 02, 2012|By Vaughn McClure, Chicago Tribune reporter

BOURBONNAIS — As Stephen Paea continued to build on a strong training camp at Olivet Nazarene University, Bears defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli tried not to gush too much about the second-year defensive tackle.

But Marinelli couldn't contain himself.

"I'm really pleased with his camp, at the nose and at the 3 (technique),'' Marinelli said Thursday of Paea playing both defensive tackle spots. "I just see him growing. You could see it last year.''

Paea, now healthy following minor knee surgery in January, saw all the first-team action Thursday, working ahead of Matt Toeaina at nose tackle. His strength and power were evident coming out of Oregon State. Now, Paea has his speed burst back. And he is better at rushing the passer than the run-stopping Toeaina.

"He is a worker,'' Marinelli said of Paea. "And he is tough. You see the same guy every day. He is really consistent. I see him as a starter in nickel.

"(Toeaina's) going to have his hands full. And like I told (Paea), put it on tape. `Here's my tape, coach. Here's my resume. You make the call.'''

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[itsaboat]

Good short area quickness. Decent power and body control. Limited finisher but disruptive push up the middle.

You really need to watch a NT play a whole game to get a feel for them though. Not saying you didn't as you put the article together. I am just saying I have not. Looks like he can use his hands and use proper technique on double teams but I need to see him do it over 40 snaps consistently.

He is obviously better than Hayden and his single digit QB pressures. He also seems better than McClain. He is better than 2014 Brent but he is not better than 2012 Brent. Bishop is a better athlete but has shorter arms. He's as green as grass.

I don't hate the idea especially with Coleman on the rocks but I was thinking more along the lines of a top 100 pick or two to bolster the ranks. Of course if the price is right, I can come to love the idea.

They rotated their lineman but not to the degree that we do. I think Paea probably averaged about 45-48 snaps a game when Hayden was probably about ~35. He still came on late in the games I watched.

 

[Galian Beast]

I think Marinelli really likes Paea's motor. I think you plug a guy like that into a rotation where his snaps are kept down, and his motor gives offenses fits.

I think he would do well here, but I could definitely be wrong.

 

[xwalker]

I wanted to join in the Paea discussion so I took a few notes. Hopefully you guys can get a little more information on a potential player for Dallas in free agency. There are a lot of gifs to watch, enjoy!

http://itsaboat.com/football/paea.htm

T. McClain can make similar plays when healthy. Here he blows though a double-team.

 

[xwalker]

Paea was often easily blocked:

 

[NeonNinja]

Paea was often easily blocked:

Yeah, that's what our O-Line did to most.

 

[Galian Beast]

Paea was often easily blocked:

Again, it seems like you just want to focus on one game played against an offensive line that was playing really well in the running game...

 

[Galian Beast]

They rotated their lineman but not to the degree that we do. I think Paea probably averaged about 45-48 snaps a game when Hayden was probably about ~35. He still came on late in the games I watched.

Paea played in 16 games last year and had 699 snaps, or 43.6 snaps a game.

Hayden had 570 snaps or 35.6 snaps per game.

We have Terrell McClain on a 3 year deal, so I think it's likely that he stays here unless he is wildly outplayed. He also needs to show that he can stay healthy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

T. McClain can make similar plays when healthy. Here he blows though a double-team.

He is falling and twisting coming off the block trying to squirm through on a stunt and a C with feet of stone doing a bad Costa impression. He also is playing the 3 coming outside in. When you are at the 1 holding on against a double team it's a far different animal. If you you hook him early before he gets his rush on you can wash him out. He isn't suited for the nose and is a marginal player.

I don't mean to belittle one of our own guys but McClain is not like Crawford, Spencer or even Brent in his ability to break down in space and he is not dynamic with his hands. He is all about converting speed into power and blowing through people like you see here. Problem is that when he pops out and it's not right on top of the ball carrier, he cannot break down and redirect. OL just steer him away a lot of the time.

I like balls to the wall guys like McClain for our rotation. He is a valuable piece especially when you consider his work on returns.

Also keep in mind we need to replace two DT. Melton and Hayden are FA. Without Coleman, we need to improve the competition at that spot. I like a lot of the guys we have but I am only sold on Crawford. Paea would add welcome competition at the spot at the right price.

 

[xwalker]

He is falling and twisting coming off the block trying to squirm through on a stunt and a C with feet of stone doing a bad Costa impression. He also is playing the 3 coming outside in. When you are at the 1 holding on against a double team it's a far different animal. If you you hook him early before he gets his rush on you can wash him out. He isn't suited for the nose and is a marginal player.

I don't mean to belittle one of our own guys but McClain is not like Crawford, Spencer or even Brent in his ability to break down in space and he is not dynamic with his hands. He is all about converting speed into power and blowing through people like you see here. Problem is that when he pops out and it's not right on top of the ball carrier, he cannot break down and redirect. OL just steer him away a lot of the time.

I like balls to the wall guys like McClain for our rotation. He is a valuable piece especially when you consider his work on returns.

Also keep in mind we need to replace two DT. Melton and Hayden are FA. Without Coleman, we need to improve the competition at that spot. I like a lot of the guys we have but I am only sold on Crawford. Paea would add welcome competition at the spot at the right price.

My point is that showing Paea doing some of the same things that McClain is doing here is not a good indicator of Paea's ability or lack thereof.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

My point is that showing Paea doing some of the same things that McClain is doing here is not a good indicator of Paea's ability or lack thereof.

I saw Paea stack and shed using excellent hand placement that McClain wasn't doing. He has good arm length. I saw him on the nose sink into the C chest and kneel down into the G double team squeezing the hole. McClain? Not so much. I saw stop and start in breaking down to make tackles from Paea. Not so much McClain.

McClain's game is to try and torpedo gaps and rip. He is a one trick pony but he goes all out. Paea has a much more dynamic skill set.

 

[xwalker]

I saw Paea stack and shed using excellent hand placement that McClain wasn't doing. He has good arm length. I saw him on the nose sink into the C chest and kneel down into the G double team squeezing the hole. McClain? Not so much. I saw stop and start in breaking down to make tackles from Paea. Not so much McClain.

McClain's game is to try and torpedo gaps and rip. He is a one trick pony but he goes all out. Paea has a much more dynamic skill set.

I'm fine with adding Paea if it's a Mincey type contract (2 years, 3M) but I don't see Paea as a several million per season player.

 

[The Realist]

You have to try pretty hard or have an agenda to go find McClain's one highlight play of the year and compare it to the play you put up of Paea.

And who in their right mind would use the "often" on a one play analysis?

I'm curious, how did Paea's production stack up vs other 4-3 DT's this year?

 

[Galian Beast]

I'm fine with adding Paea if it's a Mincey type contract (2 years, 3M) but I don't see Paea as a several million per season player.

I knew I would come in here and you would still be posting this non-sense. Thanks for not disappointing.

 

[The Realist]

I knew I would come in here and you would still be posting this non-sense. Thanks for not disappointing.

While we're at it I'd be happy with signing JPP to a Selvie like contact, Suh to Hayden like contract, and Murray to a Williams like contract.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Paea was often easily blocked:

You're taking maybe his worst game of the season and defining the guy over it. I am sure there is plenty of vid of McClain or Hayden getting blocked easily as well, in fact I can guarantee there is more of either. I do know one thing neither one of those two had 6.5 sacks last year.

 

[casmith07]

You're taking maybe his worst game of the season and defining the guy over it. I am sure there is plenty of vid of McClain or Hayden getting blocked easily as well, in fact I can guarantee there is more of either. I do know one thing neither one of those two had 6.5 sacks last year.

Also showing him easily blocked against the best offensive line in football lmao.

 

[CyberB0b]

Also showing him easily blocked against the best offensive line in football lmao.

While playing a completely different position with a different assignment and alignment.