A few notes on Stephen Paea

[xwalker]

You have to try pretty hard or have an agenda to go find McClain's one highlight play of the year and compare it to the play you put up of Paea.

And who in their right mind would use the "often" on a one play analysis?

I'm curious, how did Paea's production stack up vs other 4-3 DT's this year?

It's time consuming (at least for me) to make Gifs. Have you posted any?

 

[xwalker]

Maybe Paea should be a 3tech. He does get penetration on occasion, but I would like to see a 1tech anchor down against the run consistently.

Here is a play where Paea (#92) gets pushed back too easily against one of the worst OLines in the NFL.

This is not a great play because Carter is slow to fill the hole, but if you look at Brent's (#95) feet he never moves backward while being double-teamed.

 

[neosapien23]

Pea recieved most of his sacks from the 3 tech position if I'm not mistaken. Despite his strength at the combine, he was never a good fit for the 1 tech. He played much better when he was allowed to rush the passer. Pean is not a better 1 tech than McClain or Brent although he might be a better 3 tech than Crawford.

 

[itsaboat]

Maybe Paea should be a 3tech. He does get penetration on occasion, but I would like to see a 1tech anchor down against the run consistently.

Here is a play where Paea (#92) gets pushed back too easily against one of the worst OLines in the NFL.

This is not a great play because Carter is slow to fill the hole, but if you look at Brent's (#95) feet he never moves backward while being double-teamed.

Ok but that's what Brent gives you. He's difficult to move and makes plays in the run game. He doesn't do much against the pass. Marinelli doesn't seem to care if his 1-tech can anchor. He values guys who can penetration and can move.

Paea might night anchor as well as Brent but he can make plays against double teams too:

Plus the advantage of Paea is that he is explosive from the 1-tech position and can get to the QB, which Brent cannot do:

 

[xwalker]

Ok but that's what Brent gives you. He's difficult to move and makes plays in the run game. He doesn't do much against the pass. Marinelli doesn't seem to care if his 1-tech can anchor. He values guys who can penetration and can move.

Paea might night anchor as well as Brent but he can make plays against double teams too:


Plus the advantage of Paea is that he is explosive from the 1-tech position and can get to the QB, which Brent cannot do:

Like I said in another post, it don't hate the idea of signing Paea, I just don't see him as worth a significant contract. He's a Mincey type player and Mincey was a big contributor this year, but his contract is 2 years, 3M. If they can get Paea for that type of contact and it means that Hayden is gone then I would be all for it; however, I've seen people suggest paying Paea 4M per and I don't see that being a great idea.

I'm sure that Paea is a little better overall player than Josh Brent but Brent is making 700K.

Maybe Paea would be a consideration to play both 3tech and 1tech snaps if they don't get another 3tech. I'm more concerned about getting a second 3tech (pass rusher) that rotates with Crawford AND is on the field with Crawford on obvious passing downs. Maybe Paea would be good in that role.

My issue is that I watched Hayden get pushed around in the running game all season and last season and I'm hoping for a replacement 1tech that does not get pushed around.

Paea probably played over 40 snaps per game. That's 16 x 40 = 640 snaps. I'm certain that we can both find plays and make Gifs of him making some really good plays and some plays where he was easily blocked. I don't know if that proves anything. There were plays this season where Hayden looked really good in that play, but we all know that he's not a very good overall player.

For me this is a good debate. You obviously watched some actual game footage. I've asked several people that put Paea in their "off-season plan" why they picked Paea and it was obvious that the majority of people just picked him because he played for Marinelli in the past or because he had some sacks as a DT, not because they watched his game footage.

It's fine with me if people disagree with me as long as were discussing actual football and actual game footage instead of people making stupid posts about how Jerry Sucks or Fred and Hitchens were reaches in the draft.

 

[itsaboat]

Like I said in another post, it don't hate the idea of signing Paea, I just don't see him as worth a significant contract.

I'm sure that Paea is a little better overall player than Josh Brent but Brent is making 700K.

Maybe Paea would be a consideration to play both 3tech and 1tech snaps if they don't get another 3tech. I'm more concerned about getting a second 3tech (pass rusher) that rotates with Crawford AND is on the field with Crawford on obvious passing downs. Maybe Paea would be good in that role.

My issue is that I watched Hayden get pushed around in the running game all season and last season and I'm hoping for a replacement 1tech that does not get pushed around.

Paea probably played over 40 snaps per game. That's 16 x 40 = 640 snaps. I'm certain that we can both find plays and make Gifs of him making some really good plays and some plays where he was easily blocked. I don't know if that proves anything. There were plays this season where Hayden looked really good in that play, but we all know that he's not a very good overall player.

For me this is a good debate. You obviously watched some actual game footage. I've asked several people that put Paea in their "off-season plan" why they picked Paea and it was obvious that the majority of people just picked him because he played for Marinelli in the past or because he had some sacks as a DT, not because they watched his game footage.

It's fine with me if people disagree with me as long as were discussing actual football and actual game footage instead of people making stupid posts about how Jerry Sucks or Fred and Hitchens were reaches in the draft.

Paea might get moved around more than you like but his upside is that he can penetrate and affect the QB. Hayden probably had 5 hurries the entire season. Paea, on the other hand, almost doubled that in the 4 games I watched (I counted 9 hurries).

"Maybe Paea would be a consideration to play both 3tech and 1tech snaps if they don't get another 3tech. I'm more concerned about getting a second 3tech (pass rusher) that rotates with Crawford AND is on the field with Crawford on obvious passing downs. Maybe Paea would be good in that role."

I think Paea would be ideal in that role. He and Ratliff made for a good combination when they were on the field together. I think they could easily replicate, or surpass, their production with Crawford.

The concern is medical history and price. Dallas would have to do their homework on the former but as far as contract goes, I'm more willing to spend some money because of his skill set. I'm not saying Paea is a "must sign" but from the coaches film I watched, he looks like a guy that would be a huge upgrade from the past two seasons and help improve the biggest weakness of our defense, the pass rush.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Like I said in another post, it don't hate the idea of signing Paea, I just don't see him as worth a significant contract. He's a Mincey type player and Mincey was a big contributor this year, but his contract is 2 years, 3M. If they can get Paea for that type of contact and it means that Hayden is gone then I would be all for it; however, I've seen people suggest paying Paea 4M per and I don't see that being a great idea.

I'm sure that Paea is a little better overall player than Josh Brent but Brent is making 700K.

Maybe Paea would be a consideration to play both 3tech and 1tech snaps if they don't get another 3tech. I'm more concerned about getting a second 3tech (pass rusher) that rotates with Crawford AND is on the field with Crawford on obvious passing downs. Maybe Paea would be good in that role.

My issue is that I watched Hayden get pushed around in the running game all season and last season and I'm hoping for a replacement 1tech that does not get pushed around.

Paea probably played over 40 snaps per game. That's 16 x 40 = 640 snaps. I'm certain that we can both find plays and make Gifs of him making some really good plays and some plays where he was easily blocked. I don't know if that proves anything. There were plays this season where Hayden looked really good in that play, but we all know that he's not a very good overall player.

For me this is a good debate. You obviously watched some actual game footage. I've asked several people that put Paea in their "off-season plan" why they picked Paea and it was obvious that the majority of people just picked him because he played for Marinelli in the past or because he had some sacks as a DT, not because they watched his game footage.

It's fine with me if people disagree with me as long as were discussing actual football and actual game footage instead of people making stupid posts about how Jerry Sucks or Fred and Hitchens were reaches in the draft.

It was obvious you had only watched the Cowboy footage yourself prior to making your assumptions. I had watched three Bears games this season and he was pretty disruptive in the other two. Admittedly he was a non-factor vs. Dallas but that was a dead team playing against maybe the best oline in football. Paea offers some scheme versatility and is a good penetrator. Maranelli does like the guy, so that plays a factor whether you want to admit it or not.

 

[xwalker]

Paea might get moved around more than you like but his upside is that he can penetrate and affect the QB. Hayden probably had 5 hurries the entire season. Paea, on the other hand, almost doubled that in the 4 games I watched (I counted 9 hurries).

"Maybe Paea would be a consideration to play both 3tech and 1tech snaps if they don't get another 3tech. I'm more concerned about getting a second 3tech (pass rusher) that rotates with Crawford AND is on the field with Crawford on obvious passing downs. Maybe Paea would be good in that role."

I think Paea would be ideal in that role. He and Ratliff made for a good combination when they were on the field together. I think they could easily replicate, or surpass, their production with Crawford.

The concern is medical history and price. Dallas would have to do their homework on the former but as far as contract goes, I'm more willing to spend some money because of his skill set. I'm not saying Paea is a "must sign" but from the coaches film I watched, he looks like a guy that would be a huge upgrade from the past two seasons and help improve the biggest weakness of our defense, the pass rush.

You're preaching to the choir in terms of Hayden. He is the player that I most want replaced. I'm hoping that the front office does not re-sign him because I'm concerned that Marinelli would keep him and give him too many snaps.

 

[xwalker]

It was obvious you had only watched the Cowboy footage yourself prior to making your assumptions. I had watched three Bears games this season and he was pretty disruptive in the other two. Admittedly he was a non-factor vs. Dallas but that was a dead team playing against maybe the best oline in football. Paea offers some scheme versatility and is a good penetrator. Maranelli does like the guy, so that plays a factor whether you want to admit it or not.

No, I watched all of his sacks for the season and multiple snaps against other teams. He looked good against teams like Tampa but his backups looked good against them also. Their OL was not very good.

The Cowboys-Bears game was just what instigated me to further review him because I remembered him not playing well in that game.

Like I said in another post, he is not terrible like Nick Hayden, but I don't see him as a player worth several million per year either.

 

[jobberone]

I have no idea how to pronounce his name so he can't play for us. I don't need no stinkin' film.

 

[ccb04]

The Boys favor versatility with their front 7 players overall, and Paea offers that. While not top-tier, he'd be an upgrade to most of what they currently have. Marinelli likes to utilize a rotation which lessens each DL players snaps...wanting them to go all out all the time. Jerry has said they'll likely be active in free agency, but may value adding 2 or 3 solid players more than one big fish (at least that's not their own)...and that the money has to be right. Given that, perhaps they'll look at guys like.....

- DT/DE Jared Odrick (could rotate with Crawford & see time at LDE)

- DE Jabaal Sheard (could see time on either side having played LDE in the 4-3 & ROLB in the 3-4...better fit in 4-3)

- DT Stephen Paea (capable of being disruptive from either tackle position...familiarity w/Marinelli)

- DE Jerry Hughes (could help at RDE...Texas ties...but Rex would like to keep him & could get more than expected)

- DE Pernell McPhee

- DT Nick Fairley