A few thoughts

[kiheikiwi]

Starting to get to the doldrums of the off-season, mini-camp next week and then .....
Couple thoughts been bouncing round in my head this week.
In looking at all the pics from OTA's, one thing I really noticed is - how big has Lawrence got ! Dude looks huge. Upper body looks thick, hopefully when he can play the extra size will make him the force on the Strong side. He benefitted from having the attention on Hardy last year, and delivered - with a bad back. Sky meet limit ...
The reviews of Gregory sound encouraging, but still haven't seen anything that says he has gained any off-season weight. Please, please, please let his problems be behind him (Or at least manageable).
With Collins broken bone in his foot supposed to be the same as Dez's last year. Does that mean he is pretty much gonna be hampered by it all year ? As Dez was/has still been ? Or did Dez re-injure last year causing the second surgery. And only now being cleared to practice a year and a half later ?
One more, I have been pretty down on Claiborne since day one. Thought he looked better the year we scrimmaged against the Raiders ? only for him to get hurt again. Now he seems (knock on wood) relatively healthy, and a bit bigger as well. I'm rooting for him this year, to play well and live up to his potential.
Any other "things that make you go - hmmm" so far this year ? Lets hear em !

 

[HomeBiscuit]

I just can't wait for DT to finally perform at a level coach M needs them to for his scheme to work. McClain, Crawford, and Thorton to set the tone. Irving and Collins behind them. Not saying much but we haven't seen a dt rotation like this since early 90s.

 

[CowboyChris]

Starting to get to the doldrums of the off-season, mini-camp next week and then .....
Couple thoughts been bouncing round in my head this week.
In looking at all the pics from OTA's, one thing I really noticed is - how big has Lawrence got ! Dude looks huge. Upper body looks thick, hopefully when he can play the extra size will make him the force on the Strong side. He benefitted from having the attention on Hardy last year, and delivered - with a bad back. Sky meet limit ...
The reviews of Gregory sound encouraging, but still haven't seen anything that says he has gained any off-season weight. Please, please, please let his problems be behind him (Or at least manageable).
With Collins broken bone in his foot supposed to be the same as Dez's last year. Does that mean he is pretty much gonna be hampered by it all year ? As Dez was/has still been ? Or did Dez re-injure last year causing the second surgery. And only now being cleared to practice a year and a half later ?
One more, I have been pretty down on Claiborne since day one. Thought he looked better the year we scrimmaged against the Raiders ? only for him to get hurt again. Now he seems (knock on wood) relatively healthy, and a bit bigger as well. I'm rooting for him this year, to play well and live up to his potential.
Any other "things that make you go - hmmm" so far this year ? Lets hear em !

I've watched most of the OTA's on video if not all of them...I agree about Lawerence, but there are 2 players, i see a lot on the field, that hardly get mentioned, and that's #66 McAdoo, and #67 Coe, I think before training camp is over, you will be hearing a lot about these players as rotational players.

 

[kiheikiwi]

Hope that Coe gives us something, nice size. But then I got sucked into thinking the last UDFA we picked up would turn into something as well. At least this guy they had targeted before the draft, so there is that. Don't know anything about McAdoo ? Do you hear/know anything about the player ?

 

[itsaboat]

With Collins broken bone in his foot supposed to be the same as Dez's last year. Does that mean he is pretty much gonna be hampered by it all year ? As Dez was/has still been ? Or did Dez re-injure last year causing the second surgery. And only now being cleared to practice a year and a half later ?

Bryant came back too early and tried to play through it. They are going to be cautious with Collins

“After I broke my foot and tried to come back, I knew I wasn’t right,” Bryant said. “But at the same time, I knew what was at stake. I thought I could potentially perform at a high level despite dealing with this foot. It turned out very unfortunate.

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[jazzcat22]

Is there any thing out there on how DLaw is recovering from his back surgery? Will he truly be ready for TC...or will it be one of these, day to day, let's take it easy with him things?

The deal with Collins and his ankle, there is no pressure to get him ready for anything as Dez felt he needed to get back. Especially once Tony went down. No need to rush anything. So hopefully this will be a 100% recovery and get a few weeks of TC in.
However I feel this will be one of those, let's not rush him back even though he may be cleared to play, and ends up on PUP. Also, why do some say in't the same injury as Dez, It's an ankle, not the foot bone. I have not read exactly what bone or what the normal process is though.

 

[DandyDon52]

Bryant came back too early and tried to play through it. They are going to be cautious with Collins

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“After I broke my foot and tried to come back, I knew I wasn’t right,” Bryant said. “But at the same time, I knew what was at stake. I thought I could potentially perform at a high level despite dealing with this foot. It turned out very unfortunate.................and yet the doctors ok'd him to play !! lol
Same for tony docs said your bone is A ok !! get out there ! lol

 

[CowboyRoy]

I just can't wait for DT to finally perform at a level coach M needs them to for his scheme to work. McClain, Crawford, and Thorton to set the tone. Irving and Collins behind them. Not saying much but we haven't seen a dt rotation like this since early 90s.

You are joking right? A DT rotation like what? Not one of those guys is a pro bowl caliber player or anything close.

 

[Bullflop]

You are joking right? A DT rotation like what? Not one of those guys is a pro bowl caliber player or anything close.

Good point. The offseason is a great time for many of us to cling to highly inflated expectations . . . some more than others -- lol.

 

[jazzcat22]

Good point. The offseason is a great time for many of us to cling to highly inflated expectations . . . some more than others -- lol.

This is true for all teams and all sports.

 

[Shinaoi]

I haven't seen the pics of Lawrence but it doesn't surprise me. He got a lot bigger in his offseason between rookie and second year.

 

[Picksix]

“After I broke my foot and tried to come back, I knew I wasn’t right,” Bryant said. “But at the same time, I knew what was at stake. I thought I could potentially perform at a high level despite dealing with this foot. It turned out very unfortunate.................and yet the doctors ok'd him to play !! lol
Same for tony docs said your bone is A ok !! get out there ! lol

I showed my Sports Med students a video yesterday, that talked about the whole team doc issue. One thing people need to understand, is that many of these docs are put in a tough position. They want to take care of the athlete, but at the same time, they have the team's FO to answer to. We'd love to think that everyone would be on the same page, but it just doesn't work that way. I heard it said a few years back, and I absolutely believe it to be true, and that is "Jerry wants his money on the field." That's why I believe that big money players play more, even if they don't deserve to. This happens throughout professional and college sports. Players are cleared before they really should be, not because of the doc's incompetence, but because this is a high pressure, money and ego driven business, and they satisfy their bosses (the FO's), or they get replaced. Sure, some of the docs are doing it for the glory, so they can be part of a pro/college organization. Some do it because it really helps their regular practice, and they need the bump. I've worked with some docs who haven't come right out and said it, but have implied that, if the player wasn't a big time athlete, they would move slower.

 

[TonyS]

I showed my Sports Med students a video yesterday, that talked about the whole team doc issue. One thing people need to understand, is that many of these docs are put in a tough position. They want to take care of the athlete, but at the same time, they have the team's FO to answer to. We'd love to think that everyone would be on the same page, but it just doesn't work that way. I heard it said a few years back, and I absolutely believe it to be true, and that is "Jerry wants his money on the field." That's why I believe that big money players play more, even if they don't deserve to. This happens throughout professional and college sports. Players are cleared before they really should be, not because of the doc's incompetence, but because this is a high pressure, money and ego driven business, and they satisfy their bosses (the FO's), or they get replaced. Sure, some of the docs are doing it for the glory, so they can be part of a pro/college organization. Some do it because it really helps their regular practice, and they need the bump. I've worked with some docs who haven't come right out and said it, but have implied that, if the player wasn't a big time athlete, they would move slower.

I think this is part of it, but I also think in the case of some athletes, and I think both Dez and Romo apply here, that some athletes are pressing the docs just as hard as the owners to get back on the field. They want to play, it is their passion, and they think that they can help the team win. Their obligation to their teammates and fans and their commitment to excellence can drive them to push the doctors as well. They may even minimize injury or exaggerate their level of healing due to this desire to get back on the field. An X-ray and MRI can tell a lot, but at the end of the day, if the player is saying they are ready to go back, they can be very convincing.

 

[CowboyRoy]

“After I broke my foot and tried to come back, I knew I wasn’t right,” Bryant said. “But at the same time, I knew what was at stake. I thought I could potentially perform at a high level despite dealing with this foot. It turned out very unfortunate.................and yet the doctors ok'd him to play !! lol
Same for tony docs said your bone is A ok !! get out there ! lol

Again the mental as

Good point. The off season is a great time for many of us to cling to highly inflated expectations . . . some more than others -- lol.

My ultimate off season would have been the following: And had we done this, we could be a serious contender this year.

-Signed Miller the RB from Miami along with Alfred Morris
-Signed Cedric Thornton
-Signed Panthers Corner that Washington signed
-Drafted Jaylon Ramsey in the first round
-Kevin Dodd 2nd round
-Traded back into the 2nd round by giving up 2 4ths and our 3rd and taken Jaylon Smith LB

We take that team into this year and you have some real possibilities. The defense is VERY young and talented. Secondary is looking like one of the best in the NFL. Gregory, Lawrence, and Dodd as 3 young pass rushers and you have to hope 2 out of those 3 make it. In a year you get Jaylon Smith to round out the defense. The run game is still tops in the league with Miller and Morris steamrolling it.

You now have a team that could make a legitimate 3 year run at the SB if Romo can stay healthy.

 

[Picksix]

I think this is part of it, but I also think in the case of some athletes, and I think both Dez and Romo apply here, that some athletes are pressing the docs just as hard as the owners to get back on the field. They want to play, it is their passion, and they think that they can help the team win. Their obligation to their teammates and fans and their commitment to excellence can drive them to push the doctors as well. They may even minimize injury or exaggerate their level of healing due to this desire to get back on the field. An X-ray and MRI can tell a lot, but at the end of the day, if the player is saying they are ready to go back, they can be very convincing.

I agree. With certain athletes, there is definitely an urgency themselves to return ASAP. Had a BB player who fractured an ankle during Fall ball, just a couple weeks before the school season started. Should have missed the season. He convinced the doc to clear him with about a month left. He did okay, but was never really right, and it was frustrating from my end because I didn't have much say in it.

 

[DandyDon52]

I showed my Sports Med students a video yesterday, that talked about the whole team doc issue. One thing people need to understand, is that many of these docs are put in a tough position. They want to take care of the athlete, but at the same time, they have the team's FO to answer to. We'd love to think that everyone would be on the same page, but it just doesn't work that way. I heard it said a few years back, and I absolutely believe it to be true, and that is "Jerry wants his money on the field." That's why I believe that big money players play more, even if they don't deserve to. This happens throughout professional and college sports. Players are cleared before they really should be, not because of the doc's incompetence, but because this is a high pressure, money and ego driven business, and they satisfy their bosses (the FO's), or they get replaced. Sure, some of the docs are doing it for the glory, so they can be part of a pro/college organization. Some do it because it really helps their regular practice, and they need the bump. I've worked with some docs who haven't come right out and said it, but have implied that, if the player wasn't a big time athlete, they would move slower.

your totally right, and as said later the athelete push the docs too.
But someone has to be rational about it, and the only one who might be is the doctor.
last year with dez and Romo is a perfect example of how coming back early does not help and is really
a negative.
Both players are guys they cant afford to lose due to reinjury complications,

But I made my comments due to many here last year said it had to be ok, because the docs cleared
them to play.

Another time was when jerry came down to the sideline to get Romo back into the game,
and it was not a big game,I think we were 6-1 at the time, but jerry acted like it was a must win game
lets get tony back in there!!
And the doc cleared him, without knowing the full extent of the injury.

 

[Jstopper]

Again the mental as


My ultimate off season would have been the following: And had we done this, we could be a serious contender this year.

-Signed Miller the RB from Miami along with Alfred Morris
-Signed Cedric Thornton
-Signed Panthers Corner that Washington signed
-Drafted Jaylon Ramsey in the first round
-Kevin Dodd 2nd round
-Traded back into the 2nd round by giving up 2 4ths and our 3rd and taken Jaylon Smith LB

We take that team into this year and you have some real possibilities. The defense is VERY young and talented. Secondary is looking like one of the best in the NFL. Gregory, Lawrence, and Dodd as 3 young pass rushers and you have to hope 2 out of those 3 make it. In a year you get Jaylon Smith to round out the defense. The run game is still tops in the league with Miller and Morris steamrolling it.

You now have a team that could make a legitimate 3 year run at the SB if Romo can stay healthy.

Sign miller to his 8 million per year dollar deal, then sign josh norman to a 100 million dollar deal? Salary cap?

 

[bodi]

Bryant came back too early and tried to play through it

just like Julio Jones said

should have sat him

 

[speedkilz88]

Again the mental as


My ultimate off season would have been the following: And had we done this, we could be a serious contender this year.

-Signed Miller the RB from Miami along with Alfred Morris
-Signed Cedric Thornton
-Signed Panthers Corner that Washington signed
-Drafted Jaylon Ramsey in the first round
-Kevin Dodd 2nd round
-Traded back into the 2nd round by giving up 2 4ths and our 3rd and taken Jaylon Smith LB

We take that team into this year and you have some real possibilities. The defense is VERY young and talented. Secondary is looking like one of the best in the NFL. Gregory, Lawrence, and Dodd as 3 young pass rushers and you have to hope 2 out of those 3 make it. In a year you get Jaylon Smith to round out the defense. The run game is still tops in the league with Miller and Morris steamrolling it.

You now have a team that could make a legitimate 3 year run at the SB if Romo can stay healthy.

You not only have salary cap issues, you drafted a guy in Dodd who went the pick prior to yours.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I showed my Sports Med students a video yesterday, that talked about the whole team doc issue. One thing people need to understand, is that many of these docs are put in a tough position. They want to take care of the athlete, but at the same time, they have the team's FO to answer to. We'd love to think that everyone would be on the same page, but it just doesn't work that way. I heard it said a few years back, and I absolutely believe it to be true, and that is "Jerry wants his money on the field."

That's why I believe that big money players play more, even if they don't deserve to. This happens throughout professional and college sports. Players are cleared before they really should be, not because of the doc's incompetence, but because this is a high pressure, money and ego driven business, and they satisfy their bosses (the FO's), or they get replaced.

Sure, some of the docs are doing it for the glory, so they can be part of a pro/college organization. Some do it because it really helps their regular practice, and they need the bump. I've worked with some docs who haven't come right out and said it, but have implied that, if the player wasn't a big time athlete, they would move slower.

But there is also a lot of pressure from the players themselves particularly if they are head to head in a competitive fight for position. It's a competitive business all the way round.

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