A few top 10 prospects - who is the best fit for Dallas?

[Woods]

Out of those 3, Quinn is the best prospect, by far IMO. Yes, better then Peterson. Peterson is not who a lot of people here think he is. Call me out on it, but I have seen more then half of LSU's games, and I'm not confident in saying this guy is a top 5 pick !!!! Amakumara is the better prospect. JMO.

funny you say that regarding peterson vs amakumara. i was reading another football website and the draft analyst said the same thing.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Speaking from pure ignorance here, because I've next to no time watching college ball this year.

You OP makes me feel better about trading down.

Too willing to give Spencer another shot to go with Quinn.

Is Fairley a true 3-4 DE fit? If not I can't go there with #6.

Now Peterson still works for me at #6. I honestly believe talent is talent when it comes to DBs and CBs can and often have easily made to move to Safety. It's why I think Newman can do it and that would give us two options if Peterson's the pick.

When I look at our team, I see the need for a super blue ship top 10 pick at only position/unit and that's DB.

I never like using top 10 picks on offensive lineman. Too hard to grade and star offensive lineman have less impact than stars at other positions.

Give me 8 good OL to start the season. 8 hard working legit starters, no stars, anyone of which I'd feel good about starting for me in a SB.

Top 10 picks should be super impact star type players. I want those guys at QB, RB, WR, OLB, NT and DB. CB or Safety.

Pretty level headed post.

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

funny you say that regarding peterson vs amakumara. i was reading another football website and the draft analyst said the same thing.

Yep. Lots of people will be disappointed. They seem to think he's a God or something.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Out of those 3, Quinn is the best prospect, by far IMO. Yes, better then Peterson. Peterson is not who a lot of people here think he is. Call me out on it, but I have seen more then half of LSU's games, and I'm not confident in saying this guy is a top 5 pick !!!! Amakumara is the better prospect. Trust me when I tell you a lot of you will be left a little disappointed when you see PP in the pros. JMO.

BTW 6'1 220 running a 4.4 is impressive. But its not UNBELIEVABLE/FREAKISH.

Guys like Taylor Mays, Bruce Campbell, Dontay Moch are FREAKISH. Not Patrick Peterson.


BTW, some more of my thoughts. The best way I can explain it is like this. Peterson is by no means, not even close to being a shutdown corner. He is a guy that likes to bait the QB, and jump the route. Think Asante Samuel. Prince has all the makings of being a shut down CB. Yes, he got beat a little this year. But he allowed something like 27% of passes thrown his way to be completed this year. Thats impressive. He has flawless technique. You guys want an impact player, or a playmaker, PP is your guy. But he gets beat ALOT. You guys want a shutdown corner, Prince is your dude. Think Revis.

One more thing guys. PP at safety will be a monumental fail. He's played CB for 4 years and excelled at it. You don't just move him to safety because theres a huge whole there.

I agree with this. I've watched LSU a few times this year as well and he's not a shut down CB IMO. He seems to be better in Zone then man. He's not bad in man to man but I don't think he's a Deion Sanders either. However, I do think he can possibly be a Brian Dawkins type Safety.

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

I agree with this. I've watched LSU a few times this year as well and he's not a shut down CB IMO. He seems to be better in Zone then man. He's not bad in man to man but I don't think he's a Deion Sanders either. However, I do think he can possibly be a Brian Dawkins type Safety.

He's much better in zone then man, I agree.

Who knows, he could be a successful NFL safety. But what I don't want is just to move him there because we have a bigger need at Safety then corner or because his size. If our guys think he's a better safety, move him to safety. If they think he's a better corner, keep him at corner. Whichever position will maximize his abilities.

Edit: Now that I think of it, considering his zone skills are better then man to man, Safety doesn't sound like a horrible idea. But safety and corner are completely different positions, so it'll be a tough transition.

 

[JBS]

Yep. Lots of people will be disappointed. They seem to think he's a God or something.

First and foremost, Peterson is an absolute freak. How about you go and find me another 6'1 220 lb man playing CB, that can run sub 4.4...that's what I thought.

Second of all, you don't move PP to safety bc you have a hole there. Many scouts believe his game is better suited as a safety than a CB.

Lastly, many scouts also have Prince rated higher than Peterson. I wouldn't be shocked if Prince was drafted first.

 

[realtick]

Yep. Lots of people will be disappointed. They seem to think he's a God or something.

With who, Kenny Tate, lol?

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

First and foremost, Peterson is an absolute freak. How about you go and find me another 6'1 220 lb man playing CB, that can run sub 4.4...that's what I thought.

Second of all, you don't move PP to safety bc you have a hole there. Many scouts believe his game is better suited as a safety than a CB.

Lastly, many scouts also have Prince rated higher than Peterson. I wouldn't be shocked if Prince was drafted first.

First and foremost, the fact that he plays cornerback is completely irrelevant, we're talking about freakish athletic ability, period, nice try though. A "freak" is Taylor Mays - 235, 4.3 forty. Bruce Cambpell. 300+ pounds, 4.7 forty. Calvin Johnson- 235, 4.35 forty. Tony Mandarich -320 pounds, 4.65 forty. Bo Jackson, 240 - 4.12 forty. Vernon Davis 250 pounds - 4.38. Another thing. PP weighs closer to 210 then 220 this year. 4.4 forty with those measurables is impressive, not freakish.

Secondly, No **** sherlock. read what I said. I said if our scouts feel he's better at safety then move him to safety.

Thirdly, I know.

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

With who, Kenny Tate, lol?

lol. He is a god.

 

[jblaze2004]

Nick Fairley - This guy is also an absolute beast. What I love most about this guy is how nasty he plays, albeit, he will commit a few unnecessary roughness penalties, I think his ferocity is something our D lacks. However, the only fit this guy has on our team is as a 3-4 DE. Do you draft a 3-4 DE with a top 10 pick? Im not so sure about that. Actually, I am closer to saying no. Putting him at DE in a 3-4 might be the worst place possible for this kid because it might minimize his best quality, which is his pass rush ability.

If he can be a difference maker like Ngata or Seymour, was for the patriot, than why not draft a playmaker on the d-line in the top ten. Great Defense lineman make everyone look better.

 

[realtick]

I'm really hoping one or two of the teams drafting ahead of us will fall in love with Cam Newton or Ryan Mallet and push some prospects to us.

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

I'm really hoping one or two of the teams drafting ahead of us will fall in love with Cam Newton or Ryan Mallet and push some prospects to us.

would have to happen for a desirable prospect to fall considering Luck will most likely stay back.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

First and foremost, Peterson is an absolute freak. How about you go and find me another 6'1 220 lb man playing CB, that can run sub 4.4...that's what I thought.

Second of all, you don't move PP to safety bc you have a hole there. Many scouts believe his game is better suited as a safety than a CB.

Lastly, many scouts also have Prince rated higher than Peterson. I wouldn't be shocked if Prince was drafted first.

I have not heard that he has been timed at a Sub 4.4. but even if he does time that well, it's not unheard of for a man his size by any means. Besides that, it's not straight line speed that make CBs great or even good in coverage. In fact, that's probably the least of all skills needed. I just don't see it in his play. Granted, I haven't seen every game he's played but I've seen at three this year and I haven't seen the all world CB skills.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I think that DE/LB hybrid position is a little different than moving a CB to S though. They are two completely different positions, whereas with the DE/LB hybrid, you're basically rushing the passer in either spot.

It'd be great if it worked out that way, i think i'd just rather have a guy who's excelled at the safety position and knows the nuances of the position already.

Well, like I said I think it makes us the best team. We have some decent CB depth where at FS its just AOA. I liked AOA in last years draft, a lot of us did, but we all knew it would take some time. He played half a season and barely saw the field on defense.

Then in year 2 of the PP era he can move to CB and you have another year to work something out at safety between AOA, another draft, another year of FA, etc.

I have heard this argument before and it makes complete sense.

But why is this a problem for Quinn and not any other DE to OLB prospect. Were the same questions being asked about Ware or Spencer or any other player switching from de to olb?

Quinn is easily a good enough athlete to stand up. What Im questioning is purely whether or not he can play opposite Ware on the right side, Spencers side. It could be a tricky thing for some guys to move over there and rush the passer flipping your technique all the way around. Your planting w/ the opposite foot, dipping the opposite shoulder, etc.

 

[JBS]

Out of those 3, Quinn is the best prospect, by far IMO. Yes, better then Peterson. Peterson is not who a lot of people here think he is. Call me out on it, but I have seen more then half of LSU's games, and I'm not confident in saying this guy is a top 5 pick !!!! Amakumara is the better prospect. Trust me when I tell you a lot of you will be left a little disappointed when you see PP in the pros. JMO.

BTW 6'1 220 running a 4.4 is impressive. But its not UNBELIEVABLE/FREAKISH.

Guys like Taylor Mays, Bruce Campbell, Dontay Moch are FREAKISH. Not Patrick Peterson.


BTW, some more of my thoughts. The best way I can explain it is like this. Peterson is by no means, not even close to being a shutdown corner. He is a guy that likes to bait the QB, and jump the route. Think Asante Samuel. Prince has all the makings of being a shut down CB. Yes, he got beat a little this year. But he allowed something like 27% of passes thrown his way to be completed this year. Thats impressive. He has flawless technique. You guys want an impact player, or a playmaker, PP is your guy. But he gets beat ALOT. You guys want a shutdown corner, Prince is your dude. Think Revis.

One more thing guys. PP at safety will be a monumental fail. He's played CB for 4 years and excelled at it. You don't just move him to safety because theres a huge whole there.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, you didn't say it...I just made it up....

 

[TheCoolFan]

I'd go DLine or pass rusher with the 1st rounder, safety with the 2nd rounder, and OLine with the 3rd rounder and hope the combination of a decent safety + more pressure up front + a new DB coach can fix the problems Newman, Jenkins, and Scandrick had.

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Out of those 3, Quinn is the best prospect, by far IMO. Yes, better then Peterson. Peterson is not who a lot of people here think he is. Call me out on it, but I have seen more then half of LSU's games, and I'm not confident in saying this guy is a top 5 pick !!!! Amakumara is the better prospect. Trust me when I tell you a lot of you will be left a little disappointed when you see PP in the pros. JMO.

BTW 6'1 220 running a 4.4 is impressive. But its not UNBELIEVABLE/FREAKISH.

Guys like Taylor Mays, Bruce Campbell, Dontay Moch are FREAKISH. Not Patrick Peterson.





BTW, some more of my thoughts. The best way I can explain it is like this. Peterson is by no means, not even close to being a shutdown corner. He is a guy that likes to bait the QB, and jump the route. Think Asante Samuel. Prince has all the makings of being a shut down CB. Yes, he got beat a little this year. But he allowed something like 27% of passes thrown his way to be completed this year. Thats impressive. He has flawless technique. You guys want an impact player, or a playmaker, PP is your guy. But he gets beat ALOT. You guys want a shutdown corner, Prince is your dude. Think Revis.

One more thing guys. PP at safety will be a monumental fail. He's played CB for 4 years and excelled at it. You don't just move him to safety because theres a huge whole there.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, you didn't say it...I just made it up....

lmao... read on. I also said if the scouts feel he's better suited at safety then move him to safety.......next couple posts.

 

[JBS]

If he can be a difference maker like Ngata or Seymour, was for the patriot, than why not draft a playmaker on the d-line in the top ten. Great Defense lineman make everyone look better.

Good point man...If we think Fairley can be a Seymour/Ngata type of player then I am all for Fairley..It is just so hard for me to envision a DE in our scheme having that type of impact..mainly because I have never seen it..obviously, we also have never had anyone with that type of ability to begin with..Save for maybe Spears..but he obviously did not turn out to be that type of game changer

 

[Avery]

#1 - You don't draft PP to play safety. You can find a good safety later in the draft if you want.
#2 - Prince is more of a true shutdown corner than Peterson. That's not to say PP isn't good, but Prince will be a better pro IMO.
#3 - PP will run about a 4.5 in Indy - just watch.

This is a good draft at the top with about 6 or 7 blue chip prospects before it noticably drops off. It compares favorably with the talent level of last year's draft but at different positions.

It's a shame that this isn't a good draft for OL, but we can find some good guys at the top of round two be it Marcus Cannon or Rodney Hudson. I want Mankins bad; pair him next to one of these guys and we are on our way to getting better in the middle.

 

[dfense]

CB please. You don't draft a guy who's played one position his whole career and excelled at it, and then move him to a different one right away.

That's crazy talk! -B. Urlacher