A flicker of hope for real football

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Nary an "Omaha" all night. Spared, we were, from the pointing and pirouetting before every snap. Not a single aw-shucks high five from His GOATness. Peyton barely uttered a word, to anyone.

What a yummy surprise that was.

We were treated to double-dumbface, Eli up high and Peyton slumped over, neither with a clue or a hope of what to do. The anointed Mannings managed a single meaningless touchdown in eight full quarters on that field against that defense.

Peyton simply couldn't be Peyton. No need for moving around recievers, pointing to every defensive player, or baiting Seattle into showing its disguised coverage. That's because there was no disguised coverage.

Before every play, Seattle all but yelled out to Manning exactly the defense they were running, which was virtually the same each snap. Peyton would make a few line calls, and Seattle wouldn't budge an inch. The message was clear, "Just hike the ball, Peyton, because we're going to bust you and your friends up."

Manning had Fred-Flintstone feet all night. There was no time for a rub route, or a wheel up the sideline. He could throw it three yards or 30, nothing in between, and the downfield throws looked debris floating in the wake of a tornado. It was hopes and prayers on every play, against a band of misfits and late-round draft picks at that.

Yes, Demaryius Thomas broke a Super Bowl record for catches. Certainly didn't seem like it, as he got blasted after every catch, or got the ball poked loose. Wes Welker looked like junior varsity out there, and I'm not sure why Eric Decker bothered to bring a uniform. Knowshon was no-show, and the offensive line couldn't handle anyone in the Seattle d-line rotation.

Conversely, the Seattle offense played much the same, physical and completely undaunted. The Bronco defense tackled like schoolgirls. The game showed the relative softness of the AFC these days.

Yesterday gave me hope. I hate the 42-39 league the NFL has become. I hate the read option, all the cheap rules to help the offense, the illegal hit fouls, the depreciation of running backs, and the fascination with guys like Chip Kelly.

No doubt, the league office is scrambling right now, trying to figure out how the Chosen Boys, Peyton and Brady, keep failing again and again. They're probably looking to "vacate" the championship on Carroll, a la his USC days. What rules can they pass? How do they help Peyton? All hands on deck! This is an emergency!

Peyton was embarassed. I think the league was a little, too, unfortunately.

Me, like many of you, absolutely loved it. Faith was restored. Seattle showed that you can play dadgum physical football, and not draw a single penalty for an illegal hit. You can actually defend the supposed "best offense in the NFL with the greatest quarterback of all time", and you don't have to sell out on every play to do it.

Seattle helped save real football again last night. The top nine offenses of all time...still don't have a title among them. The good Lord willing, you can still play defense and the run the ball, and win.

It hit me as strangely ironic. The young guys played old school, while the older guys played new school.

And, thankfully, Old School won. Right on.
 

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Wait, you don't think Seattle actually has good play design defensively?
 
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Interesting note: The Seahawks beat the Manning brothers by a combined 66-8 at Metlife Stadium this year. But they can only win at home, right?

That's impressive by any standards.
 

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Meh, Denver could have had Bradshaw or Aikman or Montana or Marino or Young or Brady....still would've lost by 20+. This wasn't all on PM in my opinion. Seattle was just better....ALOT better.
 
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Wait, you don't think Seattle actually has good play design defensively?

The defensive design is great. The point is that it is essentially the same every week. They don't try to hide anything. I think it was Cam Chanceller after the game said about the defense that they are who they are and they don't change for anybody.

Including Peyton Manning.

That's what was so impressive. You can't fool Peyton. He's way too smart for that. But if you put a pass rush on him and make the receivers pay for running across the middle and don't let him throw deep, you can beat him. Peyton knew exactly what the Seahawks defense was doing, but he couldn't do anything about it.

Amazing.
 

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Wait, you don't think Seattle actually has good play design defensively?

Talent is a beautiful thing. Its amazing that Cowboys fans, of all people, still are too dense to realize this. J Jones once said "There are 500 coaches who could win a superbowl with this team"... And then took a college coach who was **WAY** over his head and almost won 2 of them.

You do realize that the 4-3 under that Pete Carroll and Quinn are running in Seattle was taught to him, and help implemented by, Kiffin while he was at USC?

Soo.. why is it so good there and not here? Ill give you a clue: As much as you want it to be, its not because of Garrett/Coaching.

Answer - its because they have better players.
 

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Wait, you don't think Seattle actually has good play design defensively?

I didn't say that. They don't do much at all schematically.

They rush four, almost never blitz, mix man and zone but keep receivers in front of them, play their safeties up because of the pressure they get.

They are huge, fast, and angry. They don't worry about what you're doing offensively. They just hit everything that moves.
 

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I felt bad for Peyton actually. He is a class act (so opposite from his brother in many ways) and wanted him to solidify his legacy. His offensive line was overwhelmed by the best defense in the league. Goes to show that even with Peyton Manning on your team, it's still about the other 21 guys lining up as a unit. I do agree that Seattle's mentality about the game is great and hard-nosed football is the best kind of football.
 

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I felt bad for Peyton actually. He is a class act (so opposite from his brother in many ways) and wanted him to solidify his legacy. His offensive line was overwhelmed by the best defense in the league. Goes to show that even with Peyton Manning on your team, it's still about the other 21 guys lining up as a unit. I do agree that Seattle's mentality about the game is great and hard-nosed football is the best kind of football.

I like him, too, but his repeated failures are starting to pile up.

I thought he'd retire if he won yesterday, but he can't now. He won't want that to be his final game. And his arm strength is failing rapidly.
 

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So the aggressive corner play has nothing to do with their great defense? One of the problems with today's rules is the inconsistency on how teams are judges for PI as well. I've seen a lot more ticky tack for PI our CBs get called for than what they get away with in Seattle. It's how the Patriots use to beat Manning.

What we are praising is simply not going to happen cause the way the rules work. Teams are gonna start making a stink about how the Seattle corners play.
 

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Talent is a beautiful thing. Its amazing that Cowboys fans, of all people, still are too dense to realize this. J Jones once said "There are 500 coaches who could win a superbowl with this team"... And then took a college coach who was **WAY** over his head and almost won 2 of them.

You do realize that the 4-3 under that Pete Carroll and Quinn are running in Seattle was taught to him, and help implemented by, Kiffin while he was at USC?

Soo.. why is it so good there and not here? Ill give you a clue: As much as you want it to be, its not because of Garrett/Coaching.

Answer - its because they have better players.

Uh, Seattle plays man in their secondary. Kiffen plays zone primarily. Kiffen was saying he was going to imitate what they run. You know the difference? Coaching and personnel. They had a philosophy and drafted accordingly. We don't.
 

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I didn't say that. They don't do much at all schematically.

They rush four, almost never blitz, mix man and zone but keep receivers in front of them, play their safeties up because of the pressure they get.

They are huge, fast, and angry. They don't worry about what you're doing offensively. They just hit everything that moves.

They are disciplined. That's coaching. The guys up front, they tie up their man when they are suppose to tie up their man. They know their responsibilities. They don't just go into a game and wing it. That is coaching.

And what your criticizing for Denver by getting to the Super Bowl which is an accomplishment is dumb. They man handled the Patriots on the way there after losing to them previously. Manning shattered records. So we gonna bash on them for that when we praise our clown HC for failing to make the playoffs three years in a row. Denver won't play like that eve
Rutile they go against Seattle.

This all seems like some massive excuse making for Garrett's failures. Well, if it's all players get Garrett out of here and get a coach that can identify players.
 

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Uh, Seattle plays man in their secondary. Kiffen plays zone primarily. Kiffen was saying he was going to imitate what they run. You know the difference? Coaching and personnel. They had a philosophy and drafted accordingly. We don't.

Both teams use a mixture of zone and man. If the Cowboys had the personal that the Hawks do, I am sure they would implement a similar strategy. But, and I know this is a very hard concept for Cowboys fans to understand, we dont have an Earl Thomas, R Sherman, Kam Chancellor on this team. Put it this way:

If you took both our secondaries and ranked the players - our best player (Carr) would be either 4th or 5th on the list depending on what you think of Browner.
 

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Both teams use a mixture of zone and man. If the Cowboys had the personal that the Hawks do, I am sure they would implement a similar strategy. But, and I know this is a very hard concept for Cowboys fans to understand, we dont have an Earl Thomas, R Sherman, Kam Chancellor on this team. Put it this way:

If you took both our secondaries and ranked the players - our best player (Carr) would be either 4th or 5th on the list depending on what you think of Browner.

Please don't compare what they do to what Kiffen does. We were playing zone all year long primarily and we switched to man as an attempt to bandage our wounds. Seattle runs man as their primary defense.

Our corners were better suited town from the very beginning, yet we still were going zone primarily.

Just stop... You were trying to argue they run the same defense as Kiffen.. No, they don't. It's like arguing martz and turner run the same offense cause they come from the Coryell tree.
 

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Please don't compare what they do to what Kiffen does. We were playing zone all year long primarily and we switched to man as an attempt to bandage our wounds. Seattle runs man as their primary defense.

Our corners were better suited town from the very beginning, yet we still were going zone primarily.

Just stop... You were trying to argue they run the same defense as Kiffen.. No, they don't. It's like arguing martz and turner run the same offense cause they come from the Coryell tree.

http://www.nj.com/super-bowl/index...._carroll_learned_from_monte_kiffin_in_19.html
 

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You do realize that the 4-3 under that Pete Carroll and Quinn are running in Seattle was taught to him, and help implemented by, Kiffin while he was at USC?

What are you talking about? Kiffin didn't go to USC until his son took over.
 

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What it showed me last night late in the Game. They cut to the Seattle owners box.
There the GM and owner are high fiving each other.

Jerry take note. GM is football 24 x 7 x 365.
You are GM between photo ops, interviews, stadium meetings and interviews before the game.
No other GM does this type of marketing for the team.
 

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Talent is a beautiful thing. Its amazing that Cowboys fans, of all people, still are too dense to realize this. J Jones once said "There are 500 coaches who could win a superbowl with this team"... And then took a college coach who was **WAY** over his head and almost won 2 of them.

You do realize that the 4-3 under that Pete Carroll and Quinn are running in Seattle was taught to him, and help implemented by, Kiffin while he was at USC?

Soo.. why is it so good there and not here? Ill give you a clue: As much as you want it to be, its not because of Garrett/Coaching.

Answer - its because they have better players.

Who's job is it to get those players and who's job is it to teach those players the scheme?
 
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