A league of quicksand we didn't create

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Yep, and the NBA and MLB is even worse, but for different reasons. Their ratings are microscopic. Hockey has reached Home Shopping Network obscurity. Sports are in trouble.

I'm a casual EPL fan. Perhaps I should study up.
I don't watch the NBA and only watch MLB for the WS. I watch a lot of college sports though.
 

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Good post. I agree, the masculinity of football is being undermined, what we have now is not what I grew up watching.
The Kapernick thing is not going to go away and should have been dealt with, when a hint of trouble was brewing.

I don't have a solution, but I think Goodell needs to go, even just for the sake of a new start.
What you grew up watching were 240-260 LB offensive lineman ect. The modern athlete has evolved to a point where the human body cant keep up and isn't made to protect us from 260 lb men running 4.40 40's crashing into each other.
Players break down very young these days and this is why we can't keep up with who plays in the league anymore. Long productive careers are very rare anymore. The league doesn't have the star power because the physical demands have gotten to this point.

Any player in this generation who is even marginally good would dominate the football we grew up watching.
Its not about wussification of the league. Its about physics and anatomy.
 

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What you grew up watching were 240-260 LB offensive lineman ect. The modern athlete has evolved to a point where the human body cant keep up and isn't made to protect us from 260 lb men running 4.40 40's crashing into each other.
Players break down very young these days and this is why we can't keep up with who plays in the league anymore. Long productive careers are very rare anymore. The league doesn't have the star power because the physical demands have gotten to this point.

Any player in this generation who is even marginally good would dominate the football we grew up watching.
Its not about wussification of the league. Its about physics and anatomy.
They didn't evolve. They found much better drugs. The money today made the risk of developing and taking these drugs worth it.

And that doesn't explain the overhaul of the rules, nor the societal pressures attacking the sport.
 

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What you grew up watching were 240-260 LB offensive lineman ect. The modern athlete has evolved to a point where the human body cant keep up and isn't made to protect us from 260 lb men running 4.40 40's crashing into each other.
Players break down very young these days and this is why we can't keep up with who plays in the league anymore. Long productive careers are very rare anymore. The league doesn't have the star power because the physical demands have gotten to this point.

Any player in this generation who is even marginally good would dominate the football we grew up watching.
Its not about wussification of the league. Its about physics and anatomy.
Disagree. The 90's Cowboys, 85 Bears, 80's 49ers would have no trouble destroying teams of this era. Why? Lack of preparation mandated by the current political correctness of today's society. I'm talking about practice man. You can't convince that Sanders couldn't cover today's group of wide receivers. Larry Allen would make mince meat of any defensive lineman. Walter would pound any linebacker trying to stop him.
 

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Disagree. The 90's Cowboys, 85 Bears, 80's 49ers would have no trouble destroying teams of this era. Why? Lack of preparation mandated by the current political correctness of today's society. I'm talking about practice man. You can't convince that Sanders couldn't cover today's group of wide receivers. Larry Allen would make mince meat of any defensive lineman. Walter would pound any linebacker trying to stop him.

And if it's about us being too old and living in the good ole days.....

Young people are not embracing the NFL. Why would they? The product sucks.
 

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They didn't evolve. They found much better drugs. The money today made the risk of developing and taking these drugs worth it.

And that doesn't explain the overhaul of the rules, nor the societal pressures attacking the sport.
The societal pressures are natural. I love the sport and played it for many years. I have 3 boys, ages 5,8,15... I would not let them play football other than out in the yard.
Most of my neighbors agree with me. We are not wussies. We are loving parents who are not comfortable with the idea that my children's young developing brains be exposed to repeated trauma.
Its ironic that you insult the players as idiots that cant control their behavior, money and generally lack the intelligence to be successful in any other career yet you ignore the reality that these guys grew up using their heads as battling rams. Maybe their is a correlation?

The national anthem thing is a convenient excuse people can use when the reality is the rating have been dropping long before the anthem was shown live on tv before every game. Yes they used to show commercials during the anthem and now suddenly they have 50 camera men climbing all over the field to push people buttons.
 

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Players weren't required to be on the field for the anthem until 2009. College football usually never has teams on the field until after the anthem, including in the SEC with its fanbase that skews Southern conservative pretty hard. The NFL can just cut the Gordian knot by having the players stay in the tunnel until after the anthem and remove the opportunity for it. You didn't see the anthem on TV in Staubach's era because they had a commercial for Miller Lite on.

Old white dudes might fantasize about an NFL crackdown on anthem protests, but trying to do that in a league full of young black athletes is asking for chaos. Goodell is no hippie or friend of the players, but even he sees the writing on the wall with that one, which is why he's held off on punishing the players on this issue.
 

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Disagree. The 90's Cowboys, 85 Bears, 80's 49ers would have no trouble destroying teams of this era. Why? Lack of preparation mandated by the current political correctness of today's society. I'm talking about practice man. You can't convince that Sanders couldn't cover today's group of wide receivers. Larry Allen would make mince meat of any defensive lineman. Walter would pound any linebacker trying to stop him.
These teams had Offensive Linemen who were lucky to be 260 pounds. They were a bunch of slow slobs at 260 also.
You can point to a select few hall of famers but the reality is the guys now are bigger stronger and faster overall than they were in the 70's and 80's.
Remember guys like Tom Rafferty? He weighed 250 Lbs. He is would be steam rolled by these 280 lb monsters rushing the QB these days.
The players today are just bigger stronger and faster as a whole.

Mike Webster weighed 249 pounds and he is in the hall of fame I believe. 6 foot 1' 249 isn't getting it done today my friend.
 
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I enjoy College Football ,which interestingly hasn’t been as effected in TV ratings, on Saturday’s each week and year more and more than the NFL.

If not for the Cowboys I’d be spending Sunday afternoon playing golf when the weathers nice.

In so thankful each year I walked away from my season tickets after Texas Stadium.
 

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These teams had Offensive Linemen who were lucky to be 260 pounds. They were a bunch of slow slobs at 260 also.
You can point to a select few hall of famers but the reality is the guys now are bigger stronger and faster overall than they were in the 70's and 80's.
Remember guys like Tom Rafferty? He weighed 250 Lbs. He is would be steam rolled by these 280 lb monsters rushing the QB these days.
The players today are just bigger stronger and faster as a whole.
Reality is that a "physical" team like Seattle is pretty middle of the road for the 90's. There is a lot more to football than speed and size (which still existed back in the day FYI).
 

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Never have I enjoyed a football season less. I'm ready for the 2017 season to just end.

I'm up to here with Zeke talk. Jerry is now suing anything that moves, weeks after being inducted into the Hall of Fame. I've learned more, and now know less, than I ever have about the US judicial system. Colin Kaepernick has been anointed as the Dr. Martin Luther Unitas of football. Flags are flying out of referee pockets like they're wrapped in fire ants. Targeting hits are now grounds for Harvey Weinstein scorn.

And all the while, the games are just putrid. Bad football by dudes from college who aren't prepared for NFL football. Teams no longer practice for more than 10 minutes at a time. Hamstrings are getting pulled more than Harvey Weinstein's....oops, already used that one.

This seems like a conflation of so many related and unrelated events, movements, and issues all coming to a collective head simultaneously. It's been brewing inside and outside of football for a long, long time obviously.

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The Owners: The NFL is gorged with a band of megalomaniacs, who appointed a wannabe owner with a God-complex to protect them from themselves. Jerry Jones has never been puppeteered like this in his life, and Roger Goodell seems to have him by his genital shorthairs. Same goes for a collection of owners who pride themselves on unrestrained and unquestioned power. They've cornered themselves by their own doing, and now they're eating their own in a dogpile to re-establish the pecking owner. This is going to get ugly.

The Players: Today's players suffer from the same sense of entitled and unchecked ego as their owners, believing somehow that they are "owed" these lavish lives by some form of self-indoctrination. They are largely just simpletons with born physical genetics, and so little more, yet they equate their abilities with an intellectual prowess they simply don't have but for rare exceptions. They are literally pissing on their lottery tickets by pretending to be more than what they are, and soon to be less than most. The regrets of fallen athletes is cliché to the point of boring anymore, yet still a huge percentage of them conduct themselves like predatory ingrates off the field, behaving like they just don't care, which they don't. They are becoming less and less likeable with each passing season.

The League: The NFL has developed a false sense of itself and overreached its limitations in hopes of creating new fanbases out of thin air. *******ized rules now confuse its most ardent and knowledgeable followers, who played and watched a very different game than what's presented these days. Oversaturation of this "different" style of football is hurting the league as well, as games are too many and too often, including faraway places that would rather watch cricket than football. The build-up of each week is gone. All football all the time is taking away the mystique and special occasion that the NFL once held. The insatiable pursuit of money has castrated this game of its greatness. The aura is gone.

Us: And then there's the United States of America today that is encroaching on everything the game stands for. The masculinity of football is being attacked from all sides. Academia has put its crosshairs firmly on football, not to make it safer, but to eliminate it altogether through predetermined CTE theories that are being "proven" before qualitative data has been established. "Bullying" is now a thing in the locker room. Seriously, bullying. Gay rights for draft picks became a 24-hour debated topic for weeks on end. Pregame anthems have become social battlefields. There's as much NFL on CNN and Fox as there is on ESPN, and you can't tell which channel you're actually watching.

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Ratings are dropping for lots of reasons, not just those bandied about among the agenda-laden talking heads. The NFL has changed, and not for the better. It's leaving those of us most loyal and in love with football out to roost and find our way alone.

I'm getting tired. I watch every Cowboys game, and I root like always. But it doesn't feel the same. I'm not as emotionally invested as I should be, like I've always been. Some of that is because of Zeke and Goodell and Jerry and endless legal motions and appeals and rulings. But a lot of it is just because of everything else.

Maybe the NFL will enact massive social changes and re-invent itself as a more palatable and less brutish sport for future generations. Perhaps there's a way to electronically tackle somebody coming soon that will save brains and prevent injuiries. Perhaps we can figure out a way to perfectly and equally represent every race, religion, nationality, and gender across the spectrum of owners, players, referees, and broadcasters.

Maybe football utopia really is possible. Big goals and aspirations are great, I suppose. These are just the required painful steps.

Not me.

I just wish I could have my old football back. Can you imagine if I actually said that out loud in public?

Very good post. I believe the league is out of touch with its customers, who are we the fans. No matter how big and powerful a company is, it cannot afford to make too many of its customers angry. Your income comes from your customers whether you're a mom and pop shop or the biggest company in the world. Even the NFL is not invulnerable to customers quitting their service.
 

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Never have I enjoyed a football season less. I'm ready for the 2017 season to just end.

I'm up to here with Zeke talk. Jerry is now suing anything that moves, weeks after being inducted into the Hall of Fame. I've learned more, and now know less, than I ever have about the US judicial system. Colin Kaepernick has been anointed as the Dr. Martin Luther Unitas of football. Flags are flying out of referee pockets like they're wrapped in fire ants. Targeting hits are now grounds for Harvey Weinstein scorn.

And all the while, the games are just putrid. Bad football by dudes from college who aren't prepared for NFL football. Teams no longer practice for more than 10 minutes at a time. Hamstrings are getting pulled more than Harvey Weinstein's....oops, already used that one.

This seems like a conflation of so many related and unrelated events, movements, and issues all coming to a collective head simultaneously. It's been brewing inside and outside of football for a long, long time obviously.

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The Owners: The NFL is gorged with a band of megalomaniacs, who appointed a wannabe owner with a God-complex to protect them from themselves. Jerry Jones has never been puppeteered like this in his life, and Roger Goodell seems to have him by his genital shorthairs. Same goes for a collection of owners who pride themselves on unrestrained and unquestioned power. They've cornered themselves by their own doing, and now they're eating their own in a dogpile to re-establish the pecking owner. This is going to get ugly.

The Players: Today's players suffer from the same sense of entitled and unchecked ego as their owners, believing somehow that they are "owed" these lavish lives by some form of self-indoctrination. They are largely just simpletons with born physical genetics, and so little more, yet they equate their abilities with an intellectual prowess they simply don't have but for rare exceptions. They are literally pissing on their lottery tickets by pretending to be more than what they are, and soon to be less than most. The regrets of fallen athletes is cliché to the point of boring anymore, yet still a huge percentage of them conduct themselves like predatory ingrates off the field, behaving like they just don't care, which they don't. They are becoming less and less likeable with each passing season.

The League: The NFL has developed a false sense of itself and overreached its limitations in hopes of creating new fanbases out of thin air. *******ized rules now confuse its most ardent and knowledgeable followers, who played and watched a very different game than what's presented these days. Oversaturation of this "different" style of football is hurting the league as well, as games are too many and too often, including faraway places that would rather watch cricket than football. The build-up of each week is gone. All football all the time is taking away the mystique and special occasion that the NFL once held. The insatiable pursuit of money has castrated this game of its greatness. The aura is gone.

Us: And then there's the United States of America today that is encroaching on everything the game stands for. The masculinity of football is being attacked from all sides. Academia has put its crosshairs firmly on football, not to make it safer, but to eliminate it altogether through predetermined CTE theories that are being "proven" before qualitative data has been established. "Bullying" is now a thing in the locker room. Seriously, bullying. Gay rights for draft picks became a 24-hour debated topic for weeks on end. Pregame anthems have become social battlefields. There's as much NFL on CNN and Fox as there is on ESPN, and you can't tell which channel you're actually watching.

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Ratings are dropping for lots of reasons, not just those bandied about among the agenda-laden talking heads. The NFL has changed, and not for the better. It's leaving those of us most loyal and in love with football out to roost and find our way alone.

I'm getting tired. I watch every Cowboys game, and I root like always. But it doesn't feel the same. I'm not as emotionally invested as I should be, like I've always been. Some of that is because of Zeke and Goodell and Jerry and endless legal motions and appeals and rulings. But a lot of it is just because of everything else.

Maybe the NFL will enact massive social changes and re-invent itself as a more palatable and less brutish sport for future generations. Perhaps there's a way to electronically tackle somebody coming soon that will save brains and prevent injuiries. Perhaps we can figure out a way to perfectly and equally represent every race, religion, nationality, and gender across the spectrum of owners, players, referees, and broadcasters.

Maybe football utopia really is possible. Big goals and aspirations are great, I suppose. These are just the required painful steps.

Not me.

I just wish I could have my old football back. Can you imagine if I actually said that out loud in public?

erod--- as usual you bring up some pertinent issues and facts....and i agree i too would like some of the old mystique...much has changed

and we all know the core motivating factors are money and..mo...and mo..and mo
 
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