A look back at Mosher's final 2023 Draft consensus board

[Hawkeye0202]

Mazi Smith?????

 

[ghst187]

I said it back then…no idea how these people had Young over Stroud or Levis in round 1.

 

[jazzcat22]

It shows that everyone on that chart and their rankings. Really are not that good of talent evaluators.

It would be great to see what each teams big board was like. Yes, some of it is based on need rather they admit it or not.
As they put together the big board based on the coaches schemes and styles as well.

 

[jazzcat22]

I said it back then…no idea how these people had Young over Stroud or Levis in round 1.

And has been proven on the field so far.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I said it back then…no idea how these people had Young over Stroud or Levis in round 1.

it happens every year and then the crystal balls come out. Strout had questions about him back then. and if you forgot, people put darnold ahead of Allen, Rosen ahead of Jackson, Turbiskey ahead of Mahomes.

you can do this exact same excercise for every draft year.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

And has been proven on the field so far.

Definitely but I wouldn't write off Young just yet. He played better the last half of the season. There's still hope at least, which is all I want as a Cowboys fan.

 

[ghst187]

it happens every year and then the crystal balls come out. Strout had questions about him back then. and if you forgot, people put darnold ahead of Allen, Rosen ahead of Jackson, Turbiskey ahead of Mahomes.

you can do this exact same excercise for every draft year.

True but then we also hear on this board all the time about how “well scouts get paid for this so they know better than you” and “I trust the front office as they know more than rando poster here” which is perplexing to me as I have been here a long long time and every year watched some posters here have consistently better mock drafts than 32 NFL paid scouting teams….

 

[cmoney23]

Mazi Smith?????

And people still get mad when we don't pick "Todd's Best Available" every year. SMH

 

[visionary]

True but then we also hear on this board all the time about how “well scouts get paid for this so they know better than you” and “I trust the front office as they know more than rando poster here” which is perplexing to me as I have been here a long long time and every year watched some posters here have consistently better mock drafts than 32 NFL paid scouting teams….

Please stop embarrassing yourself

 

[WillieBeamen]

Marcus Mosher is a colossal idiot

 

[gimmesix]

It shows that everyone on that chart and their rankings. Really are not that good of talent evaluators.

It would be great to see what each teams big board was like. Yes, some of it is based on need rather they admit it or not.
As they put together the big board based on the coaches schemes and styles as well.

I agree. There are a lot of players who did not go where the draft experts rated them and some who have not performed up to that level. What would interest me is where teams had them rated compared to where they go.

For example, it was reported that the Chiefs wanted to trade up with us from 31 to take Mazi at 26. So it seems like we're not the only team that had him rated that high.

 

[fivetwos]

As of now, this draft is the perfect example of how they shoot themselves in the foot with their strategy.

They expect to have 2-3 immediate starters and force having to take certain positions. Whatever doesn’t happen in the first round becomes a must in the second.

That’s how you end up with Kelvin Joseph and Luke Schoonmaker with premium picks.

 

[StarOfGlory]

The Eagles getting both Carter and Smith is disgraceful. Gibbs being that low too.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

And people still get mad when we don't pick "Todd's Best Available" every year. SMH

Very good point.

 

[gimmesix]

As of now, this draft is the perfect example of how they shoot themselves in the foot with their strategy.

They expect to have 2-3 immediate starters and force having to take certain positions. Whatever doesn’t happen in the first round becomes a must in the second.

That’s how you end up with Kelvin Joseph and Luke Schoonmaker with premium picks.

I think this year was an exception to that. We just drafted a DE high (second round) in last year's draft. Donovan EZ was a value pick instead of forced pick. I had needs I thought we should address, but could not argue with the value.

However, I don't think either Joseph or Schoonmaker wasn't rated around where they went. I just can't say they were the best values at that point (maybe O'Cyrus Torrence or Marvin Mims when Schoonmaker was taken). Eze was one of a few blinking lights this year. Of course, a big difference between those two drafts is that we were picking near the end of the second round in 2023. The first-round values are gone by then.

 

[lkelly]

I think this shows that you had to be pretty bad to miss on a first rounder in that draft. There are a bunch of (at the minimum) real contributors along with some stars. Bungling some of the QB picks like Anthony Richardson was even worse than Mazi, but Dallas still soiled their drawers. Fortunately Dallas traded a decent third day pick for Mingo just so the Jones family could collect additional trash from the 2023 class.

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

True but then we also hear on this board all the time about how “well scouts get paid for this so they know better than you” and “I trust the front office as they know more than rando poster here” which is perplexing to me as I have been here a long long time and every year watched some posters here have consistently better mock drafts than 32 NFL paid scouting teams….

Scouting is such an inexact science that it basically borders on pseudo-science, or complete fantasy.

I really think the "skill" in scouting is having the right players randomly fall to you when your team is picking. It is really not hard to generally place players in a stack in terms of the raw athleticism and production that they had in college. Past that, it is much more a crapshoot than most in an NFL front office would lead you to believe.

 

[nobody]

I think a player's success isn't just predicated on talent and will, but also who drafts them and opportunities and if they are a fit for the system. How many times has a team drafted a dude not right for the system with the intent to change them and it fails?

Does that mean the player wasn't NFL caliber after all, or it was just a really poor fit for what he's capable of?

 

[darthseinfeld]

Mazi Smith?????

Smith was considered a 2nd round prospect. He was an upside pick

 

[darthseinfeld]

it happens every year and then the crystal balls come out. Strout had questions about him back then. and if you forgot, people put darnold ahead of Allen, Rosen ahead of Jackson, Turbiskey ahead of Mahomes.

you can do this exact same excercise for every draft year.

Darnold is better than Allen





































I dont believe that. I just want to fight. Are you my Huckleberry?