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FuzzyLumpkins;2592284 said:
Youre not acknowledging that the Pats had a serious dropoff this year. Why did they not perform as well as last year?

Maybe because they didn't have their HOF QB?

And they still had a winning record with a guy who hasn't had a starting snap since high school.

Really what point are you trying to make?

A team cannot go 16-0 again. Even if they had Brady.

What patriots did was something that happens once a blue moon.
 

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Yoshimitsu;2592290 said:
Maybe because they didn't have their HOF QB?

And they still had a winning record with a guy who hasn't had a starting snap since high school.

Really what point are you trying to make?

Why didn't they have their QB?

My point is that you're a bunch of hypocrites.

My point is that when NE goes from 16-0 and the SB to 11-5 and miss the playoffs, you say its a good thing because of injuries, but when we go from 13-3 and a second round exit to 9-7 and missing the playoffs then injury is no excuse.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2592299 said:
Why didn't they have their QB?

My point is that you're a bunch of hypocrites.

You point is dumb.

Why? You may ask.

Its because nobody is using the injury excuse like you and the OP are. People are simply making the comparison that the Cowboys should have no excuse if the Patriots go 11-5 without their HOF QB Look at their IR injury list.

A. Clement T
T. Williams S
B. Stokes G
R. O'Callaghan T
B. Ruud LB
K. Smith DT
T. Brady QB IR
L. Maroney RB IR
R. Harrison S IR
S. Crable LB
T. Wheatley CB
E. Alexander LB
J. Webster CB
A. Thomas LB IR
P. Woods LB
T.Bruschi LB Missed three games.


And there was all kind of other guys banged up during the season. Yet they still went 11-5. You use their dropoff in games won as an excuse but in reality when you go 16-0 there is no place to go but down. How many teams in history have even gone 16-0? Your argument is weak and amusing and it just make you look dumb. And i know you aren't dumb.

Nobody should use injuries as the cowboys excuse to why the couldn't get it done..
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2592221 said:
This really says nothing. Cassell is one heck of a QB and developed nicely. We didn't have great backups at OG, QB, S, P, etc.

What the?! Is that the Patriots fault that the cowboys are INCOMPETENT?
It says EVERYTHING. It says a first class organization CAN and DOES overcome injuries and issues if it has prepared properly. We cannot and did not and our injuries weren't even close to as devastating as losing a TOM FREAKING BRADY. omigod...

At the end of the day though the Pats went from 16-0 and a trip to the SB to 11-5 and getting outted in the first round. Do you think that injuries were the reason for that? According to you thats just an excuse becuase good teams overcome injuries. The dropoff has to be for another reason.

You are not informed. The Patriots missed the playoffs at 11-5, had they gotten in, they would've probably went to another championship. Anyone that counts out Belichek in the playoffs at this point is mentally ********. BTW -- we went from 13-3 to 9-7 WITHOUT losing our starting Pro Bowl QB for the entire season...so whats your point here?

I mean we went 9-7 and barely missed the playoffs. From the way people around here act its as if we went 5-11 and finished last in the division.

Dude, we totally choked and sucked horribly. No other way to spin it. Your standards are about that of a Commanders fan.
 

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Yoshimitsu;2592321 said:
You point is dumb.

Why? You may ask.

Its because nobody is using the injury excuse like you and the OP are. People are simply making the comparison that the Cowboys should have no excuse if the Patriots go 11-5 without their HOF QB Look at their IR injury list.

A. Clement T
T. Williams S
B. Stokes G
R. O'Callaghan T
B. Ruud LB
K. Smith DT
T. Brady QB IR
L. Maroney RB IR
R. Harrison S IR
S. Crable LB
T. Wheatley CB
E. Alexander LB
J. Webster CB
A. Thomas LB IR
P. Woods LB
T.Bruschi LB Missed three games.


And there was all kind of other guys banged up during the season. Yet they still went 11-5. You use their dropoff in games won as an excuse but in reality when you go 16-0 there is no place to go but down. How many teams in history have even gone 16-0? Your argument is weak and amusing and it just make you look dumb. And i know you aren't dumb.

Nobody should use injuries as the cowboys excuse to why the couldn't get it done..

Dude you evaluate performance based on past performance not some arbitrary BS standard you set. They dropped 5 games and missed the playoffs versus the year before.

According to you that acceptable due to injuries. That is complete hypocrisy.
 

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stiletto;2592336 said:
What the?! Is that the Patriots fault that the cowboys are INCOMPETENT?
It says EVERYTHING. It says a first class organization CAN and DOES overcome injuries and issues if it has prepared properly. We cannot and did not and our injuries weren't even close to as devastating as losing a TOM FREAKING BRADY. omigod...



You are not informed. The Patriots missed the playoffs at 11-5, had they gotten in, they would've probably went to another championship. Anyone that counts out Belichek in the playoffs at this point is mentally ********. BTW -- we went from 13-3 to 9-7 WITHOUT losing our starting Pro Bowl QB for the entire season...so whats your point here?



Dude, we totally choked and sucked horribly. No other way to spin it. Your standards are about that of a Commanders fan.

They didn't 'overcome' injuries. They regressed from what they were supposed to do and what they did the year before.

Overcoming means you maintain the status quo. They didn't.
 

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stiletto;2592336 said:
What the?! Is that the Patriots fault that the cowboys are INCOMPETENT?
It says EVERYTHING. It says a first class organization CAN and DOES overcome injuries and issues if it has prepared properly. We cannot and did not and our injuries weren't even close to as devastating as losing a TOM FREAKING BRADY. omigod...

Exactly. One of the problems with this organization.

You are not informed. The Patriots missed the playoffs at 11-5, had they gotten in, they would've probably went to another championship. Anyone that counts out Belichek in the playoffs at this point is mentally ********. BTW -- we went from 13-3 to 9-7 WITHOUT losing our starting Pro Bowl QB for the entire season...so whats your point here?

What he fails to acknowledge is it was the first time in history a team goes 11-5 and miss the playoffs. If they were in the NFC they get in the playoffs with ease.

Dude, we totally choked and sucked horribly. No other way to spin it. Your standards are about that of a Commanders fan.

How this guy can compare the Patriots season and our season is beyond me.
 

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khiladi;2592245 said:
You think Barber can break away with his speed? What is his longest run for a TD? Choice was running against the top 5 defenses, pretty much better than most backs did all year against them. Are you seriously going to argue that Choice limited Garrett's play-calling? And last I remember, Garrett was being criticized for not even usign Felix Jones. He was blasted for giving him, what, at most 5-8 carries in one game. How long did it take to use him anyways? And, do you honestly think Garrett's game plan was dictated by the big, bully that is TO? Seriously? So Romo was forcing balls to TO, and he never once blamed TO, but pretty much called Garrett out for his schemes, and you think it was on TO? Now Roy Williams comes out and says Garrett isn't that good. As he himself stated, the idea that he doesn't knwo the offense isn't justified. He played in the same style offense in Detroit. Why Would RW blame Garrett, if it was TO that allegedly the one that was saying to ignore RW and throw him the ball?

Why was Wade saying the whole year we need to run the ball more? Didn't he explicitly state in his final PC that TOs were a result of not running the ball?

Like I said, Garrett was paid and was named Assistant Head Coach. It was his choice to not run.

Ditto that, Choice never compromised the game plan if anything we failed to use him to the maximum extent of his talent. We can say the same about Felix, Crayton, and Miles Austin. Lots of talent laid useless with the game plans we developed this year.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2592341 said:
Dude you evaluate performance based on past performance not some arbitrary BS standard you set. They dropped 5 games and missed the playoffs versus the year before.

According to you that acceptable due to injuries. That is complete hypocrisy.

I never said that.

And Get serious come on now. Whats worse 16-0 to 11-5 or 13-3 to 9-7?

How many 11-5 teams miss the playoffs?? O yea thats right the patriots were the first in history. Matt Cassell threw for more passing yards than Romo. A backup QB. Romo throws more INTs then Cassell.

What does that tell you? Injuries are not the reason why this team tanked.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2592344 said:
They didn't 'overcome' injuries. They regressed from what they were supposed to do and what they did the year before.

Overcoming means you maintain the status quo. They didn't.

Jeez getting a point through to you is like nailing Jelly to a TREE! They were without their Pro Bowl Starting, 3x Super Bowl winning NFL MVP Quarterback.

Don't you think possibly/ just maybe/ just slightly -- they (The Patriots) had MORE of a reason to regress than our team did? Nahh...everything is fine with the Cowboys... LOL
 

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Yoshimitsu;2592346 said:
Exactly. One of the problems with this organization.



What he fails to acknowledge is it was the first time in history a team goes 11-5 and miss the playoffs. If they were in the NFC they get in the playoffs with ease.



How this guy can compare the Patriots season and our season is beyond me.

As clueless as they come bro.
 

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See this is cute. You guys get to pick what positions injury is a valid excuse and which ones aren't.

On another note, there were several Cowboys players that played but were hobbled. Flo for pretty much the whole season had arm and leg problems. Witten played with broken ribs. Keith Davis played on pure grit down the season. RW11 had foot issues. Marion Barber couldn't cut and had no explosion becasue of a foot injury.

You could see tangible evidence on the field. The left side of our oline leaked, coverage over the top was deficient on the strong side. Our punt team went to poopoo with 35 yard punt after 35 yard punt. The hand injury clearly effected Romo's accuracy. Without Felix and Barber the toss with Columbo that were our bread and butter went away.

If I asked you how the Pats compensated in the pass rush for Adalius Thomas or what Cassel couldn't do that Brady could. You couldn't say a damn thing that is substantive.

Instead, you babble nonsense like the Pats did better than they should have considering their injuries or its the Cowboys organization. What specifics can you present? I see nothing.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2592414 said:
See this is cute. You guys get to pick what positions injury is a valid excuse and which ones aren't.

Oh man...you gotta be kidding me. Answer this because I'm curious..To YOU what is the MOST important position on a NFL football team?
 

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stiletto;2592427 said:
Oh man...you gotta be kidding me. Answer this, to you what is the MOST important position on a NFL football team?

Im not arguing that QB is not the most important. You're just claiming its the only one thats valid.

On offense i would follow that up with RB and LT and we had serious injuries at both spots.

But the Pats injuries explain their step back from the year before right?
 

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This team lacked discipline long before the injuries hit, the injuries made things worse but with the total lack of discipline was the real killer.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2592433 said:
Im not arguing that QB is not the most important. You're just claiming its the only one thats valid.

On offense i would follow that up with RB and LT and we had serious injuries at both spots.

But the Pats injuries explain their step back from the year before right?

I just don't understand how you are even arguing this. THEY LOST TOM BRADY man!!!! Don't you understand that? It's not only the position it's the player too. Tom Brady coming into this year was last years MVP and was probably considered the best player in the league and really getting close to best player that has ever played the game of professional football. He helped lead his team to 16-0 last year... You cannot expect that every year. 11-5 is still a damn good season and unbelievable when you have your lifetime bench warming backup QB get you there. Our problems don't even come CLOSE to theirs....we would've gone 3-13 without Romo. Now THAT is how important the QB position is. LOL
 
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