A Question About A Coach?

[craig71]

I know there are numerous threads on this teams current coaching situation, as well as numerous opinions concerning the proper coarse of action to correct this teams current mode of action. Anyway here is the question.

If the offense plays hard for the remainder of the season, without ever laying down, is that an indication of Garrett's motivational/coaching abilities and could that scenario be used to judge him as a potential head coach without making him directly responsible for the team as whole in an interim head coaching role?

I am curious as to how others answer this question. I am of the thought that if they play hard for him under these conditions(which I think they will), they must really buy into what he is selling. If they lay down and quite on him, I guess that would be an indictment of not only Garrett but most likely his coaching future here.

Craig

 

[Gaede]

If they played hard for the rest of the season, yeah, I would think different bout Garrett

 

[craig71]

If they played hard for the rest of the season, yeah, I would think different bout Garrett

Thank you for giving an answer that didn't include "he sucks" or is an "idiot" regardless of what happens.

Craig

 

[jobberone]

I've judged JG by the ability of his offense to score points. Since the end of 2007 he has not met his goals. If he starts scoring points then I'll change my mind. Right now he has failed.

 

[craig71]

I've judged JG by the ability of his offense to score points. Since the end of 2007 he has not met his goals. If he starts scoring points then I'll change my mind. Right now he has failed.

So if the offensive unit never quit, even staring a 4-12 season in the face, while the other units had packed their bags, you wouldn't consider that an indicator of Garrett's ability as a motivator/coach? Just for curiousity, how much of an improvement would you have to see in offensive scoring to have a change of opinion? Mind you, not a total change of opinion, but atleast be slightly swayed. Be realistic, take into consideration a beat up OL and crappy field position for the most part. I guess what I'm getting at is this, how much would Garrett have to show(scoring,play selection,etc.), for you, to atleast consider him a decent head coaching candidate.

Craig

 

[Beast_from_East]

So if the offensive unit never quit, even staring a 4-12 season in the face, while the other units had packed their bags, you wouldn't consider that an indicator of Garrett's ability as a motivator/coach? Just for curiousity, how much of an improvement would you have to see in offensive scoring to have a change of opinion? Mind you, not a total change of opinion, but atleast be slightly swayed. Be realistic, take into consideration a beat up OL and crappy field position for the most part. I guess what I'm getting at is this, how much would Garrett have to show(scoring,play selection,etc.), for you, to atleast consider him a decent head coaching candidate.

Craig

I dont care about win/loss record, what I would care about is if Garrett could get his unit to be disciplined, not commit stupid penalites, execute plays with minimal mistakes, show attention to detail, and play their guts out with no sign of quit at all, regardless of what the score is.


If Garrett could pull this off, then yes, I would consider him a strong candidate for HC.


However.....considering Kitna and Barber ran into each other on 4th down against Jacksonville, I have yet to see this scenario come to fruition.

 

[daschoo]

So if the offensive unit never quit, even staring a 4-12 season in the face, while the other units had packed their bags, you wouldn't consider that an indicator of Garrett's ability as a motivator/coach? Just for curiousity, how much of an improvement would you have to see in offensive scoring to have a change of opinion? Mind you, not a total change of opinion, but atleast be slightly swayed. Be realistic, take into consideration a beat up OL and crappy field position for the most part. I guess what I'm getting at is this, how much would Garrett have to show(scoring,play selection,etc.), for you, to atleast consider him a decent head coaching candidate.

Craig

not quitting is not in my book on the coach anyway, yes you want someone who can motivate them but at the end of the day anyone who isn't prepared to work their socks off regardless is a disgrace - particularly when you start looking at the money they're being paid. effort should come from the individual regardless of how lenient or strict the coach is.
besides i'd say that how many points they score is a better indicator of garretts ability than whether or not they keep trying.

 

[Bleu Star]

If they played hard for the rest of the season, yeah, I would think different bout Garrett

Same here.

 

[craig71]

I dont care about win/loss record, what I would care about is if Garrett could get his unit to be disciplined, not commit stupid penalites, execute plays with minimal mistakes, show attention to detail, and play their guts out with no sign of quit at all, regardless of what the score is.


If Garrett could pull this off, then yes, I would consider him a strong candidate for HC.

Thanks for your breakdown, it was well thought out.

However.....considering Kitna and Barber ran into each other on 4th down against Jacksonville, I have yet to see this scenario come to fruition.

I'm gonna write that incident down as Kitna playing his first real game in a really long time, but I also think that this is something to keep an eye on.

Craig

 

[craig71]

not quitting is not in my book on the coach anyway, yes you want someone who can motivate them but at the end of the day anyone who isn't prepared to work their socks off regardless is a disgrace - particularly when you start looking at the money they're being paid. effort should come from the individual regardless of how lenient or strict the coach is.

You would think that would be the case, but numerous teams over the years have just packed it in. Listen to some of Roy Williams comment about playing in Detroit, talking about guys packing it up by Thanksgiving.

besides i'd say that how many points they score is a better indicator of garretts ability than whether or not they keep trying.

Scoring is an indicator of how successful an offense is, but it is only one indicator. Keep in mind that this OL is not the most dominant unit by any stretch of the imagination and that will affect the efficiency of the offensive unit.


Craig

 

[bsheeern]

I've judged JG by the ability of his offense to score points. Since the end of 2007 he has not met his goals. If he starts scoring points then I'll change my mind. Right now he has failed.

Execution my friend. Execution. Lombardi said it best.

 

[craig71]

Execution my friend. Execution. Lombardi said it best.

Speaking of Lombardi, here are his thoughts on commitment.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don’t do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
“Unless a man believes in himself and makes a total commitment to his career and puts everything he has into it – his mind, his body, his heart – what’s life worth to him?”
“Once a man has made a commitment to a way of life, he puts the greatest strength in the world behind him. It’s something we call heart power. Once a man has made this commitment, nothing will stop him short of success.”
“The quality of a person’s life is in direct proportion to their commitment to excellence, regardless of their chosen field of endeavor.”
“It’s not whether you get knocked down, it’s whether you get up.”
“I would say that the quality of each man’s life is the full measure of that man’s commitment of excellence and victory – whether it be football, whether it be business, whether it be politics or government or what have you.”

Vince Lombardi

Craig

 

[Stautner]

I don't think this can even be answered now. There is no black and white now, There are variables that will have to be considered after things play out. We may, for example, think the offense played hard throughout, but they may continue to make mistakes. In other words, playing hard for Garrett isn't the only consideration. Results still have to matter.

 

[craig71]

I don't think this can even be answered now. There is no black and white now, There are variables that will have to be considered after things play out.

That is why I said for the rest of the year. I also understand that effort from the players alone will not be used to decide Jason's fate in Dallas. I merely wanted some opinions from others as to how they would perceive Garrett if his guys never laid down. As you state, there are many variables to consider after things play out, I agree, which is why I limited the question to just playing hard.

We may, for example, think the offense played hard throughout, but they may continue to make mistakes. In other words, playing hard for Garrett isn't the only consideration. Results still have to matter.

Many of the mistakes that are made will never be known to the fan. There are mistakes made on almost every play from scrimmage, some mistakes just hurt more than others. Even on successful plays, one player may have bad footwork while another blows an assignment on the backside, just because they scored on the play doesn't mean there aren't mistakes being made. I also think that before you can correct mistakes you have to have the players attention, if a group of players has quite on a coach you will be hard pressed to get them to correct mistakes. Yes, results do matter. But the expectations of those results need to realistic as well. What are fair expectations for this group? I think everyone has a different take on that one and I don't believe that there is a consensus among the people in charge to that question at the moment either.

Craig

 

[jnday]

My biggest concern with Garrett is that he has had several years here and it is hard to believe that changing his title will make the players respect him and play for him any harder than they do now. The offense plays sloppy and he is supposed to have total control . My question is how is he going to come in one day and get the respect of the players ? It will be a hard sell to get players to believe that he was one way for years and once he became a new coach that he will coach in a manner that is much different than what he has been. Garrett could become a good head coach on another team but he needs a fresh start with another team.

 

[Stautner]

That is why I said for the rest of the year. I also understand that effort from the players alone will not be used to decide Jason's fate in Dallas. I merely wanted some opinions from others as to how they would perceive Garrett if his guys never laid down. As you state, there are many variables to consider after things play out, I agree, which is why I limited the question to just playing hard.




Many of the mistakes that are made will never be known to the fan. There are mistakes made on almost every play from scrimmage, some mistakes just hurt more than others. Even on successful plays, one player may have bad footwork while another blows an assignment on the backside, just because they scored on the play doesn't mean there aren't mistakes being made. I also think that before you can correct mistakes you have to have the players attention, if a group of players has quite on a coach you will be hard pressed to get them to correct mistakes. Yes, results do matter. But the expectations of those results need to realistic as well. What are fair expectations for this group? I think everyone has a different take on that one and I don't believe that there is a consensus among the people in charge to that question at the moment either.

Craig

I still think things have to play out to even attempt a reasonable answer. I can say that the team playing hard would help Garrett's case without a doubt. Would that be enough? My initial reaction is no, but that assumes the actual performance doesn't pick up that much. M mind is locked into thinking that despite gaining yards, we had some problems putting the ball into the end zone last year, and that has become the standard this year and likely for the remainder of this year.