A Quiet, Nasty Upgrade

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  1. Diehardblues

    Diehardblues Well-Known Member

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    But yet past history tells you the Jints will go 12-5?
     
  2. Diehardblues

    Diehardblues Well-Known Member

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    No doubt our Rookies aren’t as likely to make immediate spectacular impacts. What I’d be looking more for is some of our 2nd year players like Diggs and Gallimore to begin making more impact. And veterans absent like Gregory making an impact. And those returning healthy like Van Esch.

    Hopefully the addition of these Rookies will allow our veterans who fit your game experience criteria will emerge more with better supporting cast around them which is a more reasonable expectation.
     
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  3. CouchCoach

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    Good stuff but that last part is for DC's not hired to fix the worst D in the franchise's history. Progress is the name of the game but we are going to see more from these rooks than normal because that's what the owner will want to be showing off.

    The best thing Quinn has going for himself is a high octane offense capable of putting up 30+ a game. Quinn is going to have to take some chances and he can with this offense.
     
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  4. CATCH17

    CATCH17 1st Round Pick

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    What kind of impact are rookies going to realistically have?

    Our biggest potential upgrade is Dan Quinn’s scheme. Not the 20 & 21 year olds.




    The key to Dallas being good again:

    1. Oline and Zeke need to be great

    2. Keep the defense off the field and when they are on it make offenses drive down the field and earn points and don’t give up big plays.

    3. Dak needs to pass less. The offense needs to look more like a machine and less of a freestyle Dak show that can’t beat decent teams.
     
  5. Aerolithe_Lion

    Aerolithe_Lion Well-Known Member

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    I do think you guys will be better, and Quinn is a big part of that. But it’ll be more about improvements to Jaylon and LVE being used better + second year jumps from Diggs et al
     
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  6. conner01

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    He’s got decent quickness so when he’s close to LOS we could blitz him some
    But this year I suspect he plays mostly ST and maybe some sub pkg but I don’t see him getting that many snaps barring injury to someone
     
  7. conner01

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    I doubt Cox is gonna be stepping on the field very much at all against Brady
    Maybe against their special teams
     
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  8. DanA

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    Guys like Queen and Murray had an instant impact as late 1st round picks. So did many others outside of the LBers such as Jefferson and Lamb. In fact you go through all the Cowboys 1st round picks and plenty made an instant impact. T.Smith, Frederick, Martin, Dez, Byron Jones, LVE, Zeke, and Ceedee all had pretty successful rookie years with Taco and Claiborne exceptions rather than the rule.
     
  9. stilltheguru

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    Go watch Atlanta's defenses. Im glad many people stopped bringing up Quinn in Seattle. Especially since Richard had a top 3 rank d their too. It was obviously the players. We will be bend dont break but I think we have more playmakers on d than the 2018 team so that might help.
     
  10. Bigtex67

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    This is truly my hope. If they really let there be open competition, we should see some excellent improvement to the defense this year.
     
  11. Aerolithe_Lion

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    I'm not sure who Queen is, but 7 of the other 9 guys you mentioned were offensive players, that was part of my point. Byron Jones was pretty good as a rookie, but would have changed little on the 2020 Cowboys defense, as people are expecting Joseph or the new fat DT or Parson to do.

    LVE is a good example, he was another rare impressive rookie LB. On a different note, Pass rushers, like most offensive positions, have a quick doctrination into the NFL as their jobs can be quite complex, but the stat we rate them on is overly simple. A couple guards roll an ankle, another moment he mistakenly goes unblocked, or a blown play... and suddenly midway through the season a rookie DE has 4 sacks and everyone is talking about how great he's been.

    So other than pass rushers, who was the last Cowboys defensive rookie to play as well as LVE? Was it in the 2000's? The 90's? Or even before?
     
  12. CouchCoach

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    The world knows the Cowboys had a bad defense in 2020. There has been more talk about the Cowboy's putrid defense than the SB champs and GOAT QB.

    They get to face that team to start off the season and the D will be pronounced fixed, a work in progress or the same ole same ole in that game. That wouldn't be a problem for most teams but this one has a GM that listens to the media a lot. How Quinn will respond to that will direct this from there.

    There's what Booger says like baby steps and progress and what he really wants, instant fix. He didn't hire a name DC and give him 8 picks and some FA's not to be fixed and fixed now.

    If the Bucs manhandle this defense and Brady goes north of 30, as he did in every playoff game, the ride is going to be rough but keep it close and Booger gets one of his patented "moral victories" because this is the defending champs at home, then Quinn gets a bit of a reprieve...for a week.

    I do not fault Booger for living in the here and now as I do that as well. It can be a bit of a challenge for a coaching staff to keep him happy. Booger just fired his first one year coordinator and like a man eating tiger, might have a taste for it.

    The best thing Quinn has going for him is two away games to start the season, really get his guys focused on the task at hand. There's not a returning D player that doesn't want to get that stench off them from last year. Quinn does have some very motivated players to work with and they were waiting for a leader.
     
  13. birdwells1

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    I think I saw that video, that's like saying a good rebounding point guard should be moved to forward. No then he'd be an average rebounder against other forwards. Keep him at lber and improve coverage at the safety position.
     
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  14. CouchCoach

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    I would imagine that Quinn has watched quite a bit of film from last year's defense and already knows the trouble areas.

    The other part of this is what do we think Booger is expecting? More of the same, just a scheme change? Why did he pick all of these D players?

    I think some might underplay how different this team is than others. What some are saying about the youngsters crawling, walking and then running ignores how this team is set up. Most teams have the coaching staff there to win games, this coaching staff serves at the pleasure of the owner. An owner that likes to run his mouth a lot.
     
  15. CowboyRoy

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    he probably should, but I bet he doesn’t. Who is he replacing?
     
  16. gp_cowpolk

    gp_cowpolk Landry Hat Zone Supporter

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    I thought about Parsons at safety But I think he might accidentally decapitate someone.
     
  17. Redball Express

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    Yeah it's amazing what a little time makes. Back when Wolf Hunter was a rookie.. I thought with how our LBers were playing. we would be set for 10 years. Here we are instead furiously trying to find healthy bodies all of a sudden. Creepy.
     
  18. Diehardblues

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    I hadn’t thought of Parsons at Free Safety but with his 4.3 speed and size for a LB it might actually be a great move. Great comparison to Darren Woodson.
     
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  19. Hawkeye19

    Hawkeye19 Well-Known Member

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    Neal and Cox replace Lee/Smith
     
  20. rocyaice

    rocyaice Well-Known Member

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    I’m expecting absolutely nothing and hoping for the best. With a training camp I think the defense will be better but I do not share the same optimism as most this season. They will look better but they will still get torched up until proven otherwise.
     
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