CFZ A review of our offense

[Jipper]

Is receiver a steep learning curve? I would have thought it’s the opposite. More and more it seems like these guys are good straight out of college. It seems like TE, QB, and DT are where kids coming out of college struggle for a year or two.

I said it can be, I'd put it more in the middle...not plug in play but some certainly struggle with the different route trees and the timing more than others.

I really don't think it's fair to expect a 3rd round wr to be a standout in the first year and am perfectly fine with a 2 to 3 year horizon to get the value out of him

 

[starfan1]

Y’all said that about Jalen Hurts last season….wrong.

Jalen and the eagles benefited from a very good roster last year. That addition of AJ brown was huge. The question remains does the brandin cooks addition elevate our offense in a similar fashion. Not saying Cooks is Brown but the elevation principle is still possible. My biggest concern with the offense remains the line and not the QB.

 

[Kingofholland]

Definitely have to prioritize RB in the draft to split carries with Pollard and provide insurance.

For TE I would probably look at some veterans that wont cost a lot but carry veteran experience. I dont know what Kyle Rudolph or Cameron Brate have left but are they worth a look? Maybe If enough time goes by for Hooper or Schultz maybe those contracts become more resonable too. I expect they'll probably draft a TE at some point, but I don't think any rookie will be more prepared than Ferg and Hendershot.

For the offensive line the starters are in place, but there is little depth beyond Farniok. We don't know much about Ball or Waletzko so the Cowboys will definitely need to invest here during the draft.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Jalen and the eagles benefited from a very good roster last year. That addition of AJ brown was huge. The question remains does the brandin cooks addition elevate our offense in a similar fashion. Not saying Cooks is Brown but the elevation principle is still possible. My biggest concern with the offense remains the line and not the QB.

Yeah he won’t have the impact of AJ Brown but I view it as we went from Noah Brown to Cooks and we won 12 games with Noah getting significant reps.

I’m not concerned with Dak his issues were interceptions and that’s never been a problem. Hand should be healed let’s just find some more Terrence Steele gems in the draft and see if the team can work some magic.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Definitely have to prioritize RB in the draft to split carries with Pollard and provide insurance.

For TE I would probably look at some veterans that wont cost a lot but carry veteran experience. I dont know what Kyle Rudolph or Cameron Brate have left but are they worth a look? Maybe If enough time goes by for Hooper or Schultz maybe those contracts become more resonable too. I expect they'll probably draft a TE at some point, but I don't think any rookie will be more prepared than Ferg and Hendershot.

For the offensive line the starters are in place, but there is little depth beyond Farniok. We don't know much about Ball or Waletzko so the Cowboys will definitely need to invest here during the draft.

I’m not sure what Brate is now but he could easily replace Schultz if this was a few years ago. Hell at what point does Schultz come
Back?

 

[Aven8]

Adding someone like Gibbs or Kincade in the first round is going to solve a lot of the offensive problems.

 

[jazzcat22]

Is receiver a steep learning curve? I would have thought it’s the opposite. More and more it seems like these guys are good straight out of college. It seems like TE, QB, and DT are where kids coming out of college struggle for a year or two.

It depends on the QB as well for the WR's coming out of college. But usually the more successful ones are 1st round picks also. Tolbert was a 3rd round pick, from a small college. So the coaching may not have been as good as a Jefferson or Chase or Lamb.
You have Burrow to Chase, that is much different than Dak to Tolbert.

 

[Jarntt]

Biggest issue on Offense is another OL. Tyron will get hurt. Tyler's position flex allows it to be an OG or OT but we need to be prepared when Tyron goes down. Obviously any player can get hurt but with Tyron it's on another level and you need to plan for it. Right now our OL depth is not good. We probably need to add 2 OL via draft/free agency and I think we will. In an ideal world we upgrade Biadasz also, but you can't have stars at every position and I thought he went from below league average in prior years to around league average last year. Just a lot of good and big DTs in our division so it's an important position for us.

I'm fine with our TEs. I think the young guys will do ok with the passing snaps and with McKeon as a blocking TE, we'll be ok. If we didn't add a WR I'd be worried about needing more contributions in the passing game from our TEs on a consistent basis, but all we need now is some sneaky production and maybe some red zone production which I think we may get.

A backup RB is needed but I've never seen an NFL season where those guys aren't available in the Summer and then even during the year so if we don't sign one soon or draft one I'm not worried at all.

 

[morasp]

Some WRs take a while to get going. DJ Moore for example. I still think Tolbert has the talent and Signing Cooks gives them another season to find out. At the same time it's a very good year for WRs in the draft and they should still try to draft a good one if they can.

 

[cnuball21]

• Can Pollard carry the no.1 workload and get it done in short-yardage situations? - If we do our due diligence he won’t have to. Draft a mid rounder (we met with Ibanikanda who I love) and split the reps. TP had more yards after contact than Zeke last year so the short yardage thing was kind of a myth.
• Can Dak clean up the interceptions with a better group of receivers? - Yes. He’s historically protected the ball very well and last year was borderline fluky with his worst group of WRs he’s ever had.
• Can Tyron Smith remain fit...Will Steele be ready? Fingers crossed - a healthy Tyron would be a game changer.
• Can Ferguson progress and fill Shultz's role after flashing last season? - We might see a dip in TE production but I think it’ll be more so related to us being strong at WR again. Fergy showed WAY more YAC ability than Schultz last year so just need him to do his job and continue to progress.
• Can Gallup return to being a good receiver or is he Terrence Williams 2.0? - I don’t think he’s ever been very good - so just need him to do what he did as a #3 which is answer when his number is called.
• How will we get it done in the red zone? - We we’re elite in the redzone last year so not overly concerned about any type of major dropoff here.

I think as long as we stay healthy this is one of the most exciting offenses I can remember heading into the season.

 

[charron]

We know Pollard wears down as he gets over about 12 carries so he must have a good all around partner to team up with. Besides that I see Pollard running at about 80% effectiveness at best. If they can scheme up better running plays along with a little trickeration (misdirection) it will go a long way to keep things balanced. If they call the same plays from the last 3 years this will be like watching Dak in quicksand without a way to pull himself out.

 

[rags747]

I’m excited to see what Davis has to offer. Now top 1-2 rb’s available at 26 I’m jumping in 100% but I think Davis showed a lot last year.

 

[ghst187]

I think glaringly we need a RB like Robinson or Charbonet and be nice to add another OL and TE and have Tolbert and/or Turpin or TY step up as a #4.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Right now I think we have a decent offense but to me, it needs a bit of love in the draft and maybe one more free agent:

RB: Pollard
QB: Dak
WR: Gallup TE: Ferguson ---------------------------------------------------------------------WR: Lamb WR: Cooks
RT: Steele RG: Martin OC: Biadasz RG: Smith RT: Smith ​

We have decent players across the board in our starting 11 on paper. I have it as three "blue chip" and six "good" players with two question marks. But it's probably stronger on paper than in reality, certainly weaker than the defense as a group. I also have some nagging question marks.

• Can Pollard carry the no.1 workload and get it done in short-yardage situations? ​
• Can Dak clean up the interceptions with a better group of receivers?​
• Can Tyron Smith remain fit...Will Steele be ready?​
• Can Ferguson progress and fill Shultz's role after flashing last season?​
• Can Gallup return to being a good receiver or is he Terrence Williams 2.0?​
• How will we get it done in the red zone?​

While I have a generally positive outlook on the above, most of the answers to these questions involve an I think/I hope element.

Rotation players:
TE: Hendershot
OG/OC: Farniok

These two have at least had some NFL snaps and looked capable of starting with natural development, but to be honest, they aren't nearly as good as the rotation options on defense and I've got little trust in any of the depth beyond these two.

Backups:
QB: Rush...he's fine
RB: Davis...good enough to be RB3
WR: Tolbert, Fehoko.....not shown enough to suggest meaningful snaps are on the cards
TE: McKeon...fine as a special teams TE
OT: Walezko....showed a bit of promise. Ball.....not so much
OG: Alacon....I don't see it

To be honest I wouldn't be mad if we drafted one in each of the above positions in just about any order but I think if it's me, I'd be looking at an OG/OC, RB, and TE early in the draft, with a focus on improving the RedZone offense and then QB and WR mid-late draft. Of course, we have more needs than picks because I want to address LB and DT early as well and then Free Safety later on.

Nothing matters until we fix the oline. Stud guard needed. Tyron is as good as injured. Have to count him out in any analysis. He’s a swing tackle.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Pollard can't handle many more carries than he has had. I hope he can, but just do not see it as of now. Also he can't get those short yardage or goal line runs. A person on the team stated this. Said he is not that type of back to get those 12 TD's they lost when they released Zeke.

They need a stud RB and probably in the draft.

This may be Fehoko's last chance to show he can be productive. Maybe take on the Noah Brown role. Tolbert, we need to see year 2 progress.
Same for Ball, need to see progress to be the swing tackle, as Waletzgo is right there. Alacron is just taking up a PS spot, but since he is an exemption Jerry is giving him a nice living from that. He has replaced Jamielle Showers for that spot.

Dak must clean up his INT's, now does that come from better WR's, or a combination of that and better schemes and play calling. Also get that OL fixed and to stay healthy. They have not stayed healthy the last 5 years.

Overall the offense looks good except at RB, as to depth. TE's need to make that 2nd year leap, but I can see another TE being drafted.

Just stop. You’ve been dead wrong about pollard and our rbs the last 4 years. You’re clearly not qualified to even be in a rb. conversation.

 

[jazzcat22]

Just stop. You’ve been dead wrong about pollard and our rbs the last 4 years. You’re clearly not qualified to even be in a rb. conversation.

Just stop. No way you qualify. You can’t handle the truth about Pollard so you must take offense.
You have been wrong on just abut everything.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Just stop. No way you qualify. You can’t handle the truth about Pollard so you must take offense.
You have been wrong on just abut everything.

your Sad lies make you look even more pathetic. Everyone knows your the Zeke homer that couldn’t handle the truth.

do you actually think anyone is buying your lies?

If you want to know anything about the rbs ask the guy that nailed it all. That would be me.


what is the truth about pollard? That he’s nothing more than a scat back backup to Zeke? Lol

thats what you tried to tell us all. Pollard made the pro bowl, and got resigned while your hero got cut.

 

[Kwyn]

Right now I think we have a decent offense but to me, it needs a bit of love in the draft and maybe one more free agent:

RB: Pollard
QB: Dak
WR: Gallup TE: Ferguson ---------------------------------------------------------------------WR: Lamb WR: Cooks
RT: Steele RG: Martin OC: Biadasz RG: Smith RT: Smith ​

We have decent players across the board in our starting 11 on paper. I have it as three "blue chip" and six "good" players with two question marks. But it's probably stronger on paper than in reality, certainly weaker than the defense as a group. I also have some nagging question marks.

• Can Pollard carry the no.1 workload and get it done in short-yardage situations? ​
• Can Dak clean up the interceptions with a better group of receivers?​
• Can Tyron Smith remain fit...Will Steele be ready?​
• Can Ferguson progress and fill Shultz's role after flashing last season?​
• Can Gallup return to being a good receiver or is he Terrence Williams 2.0?​
• How will we get it done in the red zone?​

While I have a generally positive outlook on the above, most of the answers to these questions involve an I think/I hope element.

Rotation players:
TE: Hendershot
OG/OC: Farniok

These two have at least had some NFL snaps and looked capable of starting with natural development, but to be honest, they aren't nearly as good as the rotation options on defense and I've got little trust in any of the depth beyond these two.

Backups:
QB: Rush...he's fine
RB: Davis...good enough to be RB3
WR: Tolbert, Fehoko.....not shown enough to suggest meaningful snaps are on the cards
TE: McKeon...fine as a special teams TE
OT: Walezko....showed a bit of promise. Ball.....not so much
OG: Alacon....I don't see it

To be honest I wouldn't be mad if we drafted one in each of the above positions in just about any order but I think if it's me, I'd be looking at an OG/OC, RB, and TE early in the draft, with a focus on improving the RedZone offense and then QB and WR mid-late draft. Of course, we have more needs than picks because I want to address LB and DT early as well and then Free Safety later on.

My biggest concern offensively is our running game. I think Pollard comes back to earth and a heavy workload will end up with him hurt.

O-Line and then TE also could benefit from some new blood.

 

[DanA]

your Sad lies make you look even more pathetic. Everyone knows your the Zeke homer that couldn’t handle the truth.

do you actually think anyone is buying your lies?

If you want to know anything about the rbs ask the guy that nailed it all. That would be me.


what is the truth about pollard? That he’s nothing more than a scat back backup to Zeke? Lol

thats what you tried to tell us all. Pollard made the pro bowl, and got resigned while your hero got cut.

Taunting aside, its simply the truth that Zeke had roughly 50% of carries and played the lions share of short yardage situations. Not to say Pollard can’t handle more snaps or convert short yardage situations but we haven’t seen it, not in College nor the NFL.

I do think there is an element of not wanting to burn him out (or any back) over the course of a season, and setting him up to succeed but Pollard is bigger than Dalvin Cook, about the same size as Bijan. There’s no reason to think he can’t be an all rounder.

 

[jazzcat22]

your Sad lies make you look even more pathetic. Everyone knows your the Zeke homer that couldn’t handle the truth.

do you actually think anyone is buying your lies?

If you want to know anything about the rbs ask the guy that nailed it all. That would be me.


what is the truth about pollard? That he’s nothing more than a scat back backup to Zeke? Lol

thats what you tried to tell us all. Pollard made the pro bowl, and got resigned while your hero got cut.

Don’t call me a liar. I do not lie. You just can’t handle the truth. So you result to being offensive to others.
Do not call me a liar Or pathetic.
You are wrong again as usual.