A Romo Time Machine Thread

[Muhast]

How about giving us a break down on each year. I'm willing to bet that most of those turnovers came in Troy's first few years when he was leading the team kind of like Romo has to do now. By lumping them together, we don't get a true picture of the interceptions nor the circumstances surrounding them.

Well we do get a good picture b/c I compared apples to apples. Aikmans first 7, vs Romo's first 7. I didnt pick and choose which years to compare or to leave off.
As far as the ints:, 18,18,10,14,6,12,7. Right after that 7 year cut off he had : 13,12,5,12,14. I'm really just talking about his tds/int ratio. You'd think a QB with great accuracy would throw less Ints.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Since this is all speculation about Romo, .. I have speculated that Herschel Walker could have replaced Emmitt Smith and we would not have missed a beat in the 90's

I would have loved to see HW when we had the lead in the second half of so many games, and were pounding them with the run.

I don't believe that but it's fine. Are you saying that Hershel would have stayed with the Cowboys?

 

[tyke1doe]

The shot he took against Arizona in his Rookie year, easily one of the worst I've ever seen in Professional Football.

It was a very nasty hit. I think it started the erosion of Aikman. Not that Aikman didn't bounce back, but that concussion was the first in a number of concussions he received, and I think that ended his career early, IMO.

 

[tyke1doe]

Well we do get a good picture b/c I compared apples to apples. Aikmans first 7, vs Romo's first 7. I didnt pick and choose which years to compare or to leave off.
As far as the ints:, 18,18,10,14,6,12,7. Right after that 7 year cut off he had : 13,12,5,12,14. I'm really just talking about his tds/int ratio. You'd think a QB with great accuracy would throw less Ints.

Do you know the circumstances of those interceptions? That's why just relying on stats isn't advisable. Sure, they can give you SOME picture. But they don't give you a full picture.

And, again, if you're playing in a league where the corner can mug the receiver vs. a league where the corner can't touch the receiver, doesn't it stand to reason that the former league would result in more interceptions per pass attempt than the latter?

There are just too many uneven variables that must be accounted for to make an accurate comparison.

 

[Muhast]

Just checked the stats myself. 36 of Aikman's interceptions came in the first two years when the Cowboys were trash and relied on him.
But, here again, its hard to compare stats over generations. The pass interference rules and rules to protect the quarterback were different in Aikman's era than it Tony's. Whose to say that if Tony had to play in Aikman's era, he would be better? Tony benefits from today's rules where defensive ends and linebackers have to think before they hit a quarterback low or high and in and era where cornerbacks can barely touch the receivers.

Would Mel Blount be a Hall of Fame corner if he had to play in this era?

Again, there are too many variables to make a fair comparison.

I didn't deduct those b/c of a few reasons.

Reason 1, Romo has only been a starter for 7 years, so I had to use Aikman over a 7 year span. I figure its not fair to pick a random start point during Aikmans career, so I just used the first 7. The difference in Ints in the 7 year span is just 6 ints total, and the difference in the first 2 years is just 4 ints. I just figured I'd leave it and let people make up their own mind.. Aikman threw 36 in his first 2, Romo threw 32 in his first 2.

 

[visionary]

for being so accurate, Troy turned the ball over just as often as Tony. Through the first 7 years: 86tds,85 ints. Romo: 101 tds/91ints.

I can only assume that you gave kept abreast of the rules and officiating changes, that have made defending passes a lot more difficult, since Troy played but I am not sure since your post seems to imply otherwise

Also, romo sat for 3 years before starting , Troy started on a horrible team as a rookie

Also see response by tyke1do above

 

[WV Cowboy]

You're kidding, right?

Not at all, but like I said it is speculation.

The only time Walker was used correctly in the pro's was when Landry did, .. and he ran for 1500 yds, and caught 500 more.

The Vikings didn't use him right, the Iggles didn't, and neither did we when he came back to us.

When Landry used him as a downhill running tailback, he was great.

He was best as a straight ahead runner between the tackles like we used Emmitt.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Just checked the stats myself. 36 of Aikman's interceptions came in the first two years when the Cowboys were trash and relied on him.
But, here again, its hard to compare stats over generations. The pass interference rules and rules to protect the quarterback were different in Aikman's era than it Tony's. Whose to say that if Tony had to play in Aikman's era, he would be better? Tony benefits from today's rules where defensive ends and linebackers have to think before they hit a quarterback low or high and in and era where cornerbacks can barely touch the receivers.

Would Mel Blount be a Hall of Fame corner if he had to play in this era?

Again, there are too many variables to make a fair comparison.

46 INTs in the first 3 years, 31 TDS. 39 INTs in the next 4 seasons against 67 TDs.

Tony had much, much better talent around him, IMO, when he became the starter in Dallas. He also was able to sit for basically 3.5 years and learn the position. Troy started the 1st game the year he was drafted. Big difference there.

 

[visionary]

Leading a team to 3 SB victories vs 0 playoff wins

All comparisons should just stop there

 

[Muhast]

Do you know the circumstances of those interceptions? That's why just relying on stats isn't advisable. Sure, they can give you SOME picture. But they don't give you a full picture.

And, again, if you're playing in a league where the corner can mug the receiver vs. a league where the corner can't touch the receiver, doesn't it stand to reason that the former league would result in more interceptions per pass attempt than the latter?

There are just too many uneven variables that must be accounted for to make an accurate comparison.

As far as circumstances go: we can compare Aikmans first 2 years to Romo's worst 2 seasons.

Aikman-7 wins 19 losses. 20 tds/36 ints.
Romo-(2010 and 2012 years) 9 wins, 13 losses: 39 tds/26 ints.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

As far as circumstances go: we can compare Aikmans first 2 years to Romo's worst 2 seasons.

Aikman-7 wins 19 losses. 20 tds/36 ints.
Romo-(2010 and 2012 years) 9 wins, 13 losses: 39 tds/26 ints.

You can compare shoe sizes if you want but the fact remains that the game was different then, and not just a little bit different, a lot. The talent Troy had to work with, as opposed to Tony, was also completely different. Heck, Troy had what amounted to a Rookie Coaching Staff, where as Tony had a HOF HC and a great deal of talented coaches around him.

There are differences in the two players careers that can not be measure in terms of stats. That's really the truth of the matter.

Do you mind if I ask you how old you are?

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Leading a team to 3 SB victories vs 0 playoff wins

All comparisons should just stop there

It's down to zero playoff wins now? Romo haters continue to redefine reality all around them.

Troy had his moments during all 3 runs but saying he "led" them there, with that roster, and the personality of that coach, is funny. QB worship at its finest.

 

[tyke1doe]

Not at all, but like I said it is speculation.

The only time Walker was used correctly in the pro's was when Landry did, .. and he ran for 1500 yds, and caught 500 more.

The Vikings didn't use him right, the Iggles didn't, and neither did we when he came back to us.

When Landry used him as a downhill running tailback, he was great.

He was best as a straight ahead runner between the tackles like we used Emmitt.

I remember one of the complaints about HW, as good as he was, is that he had no wiggle. He saw a hole and he blast through. But if he had to juke guys at the line, he couldn't. Emmitt had more wiggle than Herschel. And because Emmitt was smaller, he could hide behind his line and then race to daylight.

I don't think Herschel would have thrived in the Cowboys offense. In fact, the 1992-93 Eagles team with Herschel was stacked. But he didn't take them over the top. Emmitt did that for the Cowboys.

But you are correct. This is speculation. No one knows for sure.

 

[tyke1doe]

Leading a team to 3 SB victories vs 0 playoff wins

All comparisons should just stop there

Romo has one playoff win.

 

[khiladi]

I remember one of the complaints about HW, as good as he was, is that he had no wiggle. He saw a hole and he blast through. But if he had to juke guys at the line, he couldn't. Emmitt had more wiggle than Herschel. And because Emmitt was smaller, he could hide behind his line and then race to daylight.

I don't think Herschel would have thrived in the Cowboys offense. In fact, the 1992-93 Eagles team with Herschel was stacked. But he didn't take them over the top. Emmitt did that for the Cowboys.

But you are correct. This is speculation. No one knows for sure.

Besides that, his vision was his defining feature. The reason he was so great is bcause he didn't dance, i.e he saw the hole he needed and went through it...

 

[Muhast]

46 INTs in the first 3 years, 31 TDS. 39 INTs in the next 4 seasons against 67 TDs.

Tony had much, much better talent around him, IMO, when he became the starter in Dallas. He also was able to sit for basically 3.5 years and learn the position. Troy started the 1st game the year he was drafted. Big difference there.

Hey I love both players, I just don't think it is absurd to assume Romo could win several SBs when we don't ask him to carry us. The games where Romo has time in the pocket he shreds defenses. Havnt had too many games where the running game could go out and just carry us, same with the defense. I don't think it is unfair to say Romo could/would have done just as well as Aikman with those teams. And again, I love both, happy we had them on our team.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Troy had his moments during all 3 runs but saying he "led" them there, with that roster, and the personality of that coach, is funny. QB worship at its finest.

LMAO.

And yes, he was one of the very best leaders on those teams. There's no question about that.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Troy had his moments during all 3 runs but saying he "led" them there, with that roster, and the personality of that coach, is funny. QB worship at its finest.

What do you base this statement on?

 

[khiladi]

Aikman had 3 TDs in 18 seconds againt Buffalo... Noody could defend the passes he threw... When he was on, he made everybody look like the embodiment of the definition of helpless.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I don't think Herschel would have thrived in the Cowboys offense. In fact, the 1992-93 Eagles team with Herschel was stacked. But he didn't take them over the top. Emmitt did that for the Cowboys.

I remember the iggles and vikings trying to run Herschel wide, .. which was not playing to this strengths, and compounded the weakness that you describe above.

Please don't mistake this for me not loving Emmitt, .. I did, .. I do.

But like every player on that team, they each benefited from having each other.

I think Herschel would have been great running downhill behind that mauling OL, with the threat of Aikman to Irvin if you overplayed the run.