A Romo Time Machine Thread

[tyke1doe]

You can compare shoe sizes if you want but the fact remains that the game was different then, and not just a little bit different, a lot. The talent Troy had to work with, as opposed to Tony, was also completely different. Heck, Troy had what amounted to a Rookie Coaching Staff, where as Tony had a HOF HC and a great deal of talented coaches around him.

There are differences in the two players careers that can not be measure in terms of stats. That's really the truth of the matter.

Do you mind if I ask you how old you are?

Not to mention Aikman faced the likes of Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Charles Mann, Jerome Brown (RIP), Harry Carson, Carl Banks, Seth Joyner, Darrell Green, Dexter Manley, (twice a year) and then add Charles Haley (until he defected) and Deion Sanders (until he defected). Who does Tony Romo (with watered down rules to prevent him from getting injuried and completing his passes) have to face who are equal to those guys?

The Giants defense of the 00s can't be compared to the Giants defense of the 80s and 90s. And there isn't the level of defensive dominance Romo has to navigate on a consistent basis compared to the defenses of yesteryear.

Again, IMO, it's silly to try to compare Aikman and Romo and arrive at a conclusion that Romo would have been better. We just don't know because the game is so different than what it was 20 years ago.

 

[tyke1doe]

I remember the iggles and vikings trying to run Herschel wide, .. which was not playing to this strengths, and compounded the weakness that you describe above.

Please don't mistake this for me not loving Emmitt, .. I did, .. I do.

But like every player on that team, they each benefited from having each other.

I think Herschel would have been great running downhill behind that mauling OL, with the threat of Aikman to Irvin if you overplayed the run.

No mistake. I understand your point.

 

[birdwells1]

Tony would of won 4 superbowls in the 90's. He is better than Troy Aikman.

He is, just not in the big moments and they are no moments bigger than the SB. So give me Romo in regular season and Troy in the playoffs. Romo could change my opinion though.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Aikman had 3 TDs in 18 seconds againt Buffalo... Noody could defend the passes he threw... When he was on, he made everybody look like the embodiment of the definition of helpless.

They talk about many many practices with Aikman where he was so accurate, the ball never touched the ground.

 

[Muhast]

You can compare shoe sizes if you want but the fact remains that the game was different then, and not just a little bit different, a lot. The talent Troy had to work with, as opposed to Tony, was also completely different. Heck, Troy had what amounted to a Rookie Coaching Staff, where as Tony had a HOF HC and a great deal of talented coaches around him.

There are differences in the two players careers that can not be measure in terms of stats. That's really the truth of the matter.

Do you mind if I ask you how old you are?

No problem with that question. I'm 27. So I watched Aikman, but granted I was young. Matter of fact the first Cowboys game I ever went to was Cowboys vs Commanders in 1989, when we got our only win of the season lol.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Hey I love both players, I just don't think it is absurd to assume Romo could win several SBs when we don't ask him to carry us. The games where Romo has time in the pocket he shreds defenses. Havnt had too many games where the running game could go out and just carry us, same with the defense. I don't think it is unfair to say Romo could/would have done just as well as Aikman with those teams. And again, I love both, happy we had them on our team.

Well, that's fine but the discussion is not, "Could Romo win several Super Bowls?" The question is, could he have won more then the QBs we had in those Eras?

This Offense, this personnel package, these rules are all designed to facilitate Romo's skills as a QB. However, the Offenses he would be joining and the actual game he would be playing would all be designed for those other QBs and, I would bet, that they would hurt Romo much more then they would help him.

It is true that we haven't had as many games where the running game has carried us. However, in order to ever see that, you have to actually invest in that kind of offense and we don't. We have a RB on this team that has averaged 4.8 YPC over his career, which is a very, very good average but then what do we do with him? We don't use him nearly enough. On this board, all we hear is that he can't run and all he does is run into blockers. Well, if he's averaging 4.8 a carry, I don't care if all he ever does is run into blockers, I'll take that and be very happy to get it.

The game is very different and it dictates certain things. You can't compare Tony and Troy, based on stats. I watched them both their entire careers and I will tell you that right now, Troy is better then Tony and it's not really all that close.

Having said that, that doesn't mean that Tony is not good. He is.

 

[visionary]

It's down to zero playoff wins now? Romo haters continue to redefine reality all around them.

Troy had his moments during all 3 runs but saying he "led" them there, with that roster, and the personality of that coach, is funny. QB worship at its finest.

Mistake on my part

So

3 SB championships vs 1 playoff win

Better?

It still changes nothing

If you read my other posts you will realize that I support romo and consider him to be a very good QB

But he is not better than troy

 

[tyke1doe]

Hey I love both players, I just don't think it is absurd to assume Romo could win several SBs when we don't ask him to carry us. The games where Romo has time in the pocket he shreds defenses. Havnt had too many games where the running game could go out and just carry us, same with the defense. I don't think it is unfair to say Romo could/would have done just as well as Aikman with those teams. And again, I love both, happy we had them on our team.

I believe Romo could have won with those 90s Cowboys team. But I don't think that's saying much. I think Brady, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, Rothlisberger, Ryan, Flacco (well, maybe not) and Eli could have won quarterbacking those 90s teams. That shouldn't take away from Aikman because I believe he was the right man for the right time. But that Cowboys team was ridiculously stacked. And because it relied so heavily on Emmitt, the quarterback didn't have to do much but be accurate.

 

[visionary]

No problem with that question. I'm 27. So I watched Aikman, but granted I was young. Matter of fact the first Cowboys game I ever went to was Cowboys vs Redsk*ns in 1989, when we got our only win of the season lol.

That explains a lot

 

[visionary]

Romo has one playoff win.

I know
Wrong button

 

[Super_Kazuya]

What do you base this statement on?

The fact that he didn't run the ball, play defense or coach, and that he wasn't the singular most important "leader" (Johnson) or player (Smith). Unless you would also say that Leon Lett led them to the Super Bowl, which no one would.

Semantics aside, I'm not trying to make a commentary about Troy's leadership or deserved HoF career. The person I replied to was making another "rings" argument and I responded to that. Nothing to see here.

 

[Muhast]

That explains a lot

Hey, you should pity us. You have gotten to see numerous SBs, I've gotten to see: Quincy Carter, Clint Stoerner,Ryan Leaf,Anthony Wright,Drew Henson,Chad Hutchinson,Vinny Testeverde,Drew Bledsoe, Randall Cunningham etc. You got to watch and enjoy Jimmy Johnson teams, I got Dave Campo teams.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

I know
Wrong button

LOL, those two buttons aren't anywhere close to each other, and you put "wins" instead of "win". What's sad is that you have 5000 posts here, so obviously you know better, but some of you guys have really gotten to the point that you forget he actually did win that game 4 years ago. It doesn't fit the mantra that he "always" chokes, every time without fail, so it's just been cast aside. Honestly not trying to clown you, I just find it sad.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Hey, you should pity us. You have gotten to see numerous SBs, I've gotten to see: Quincy Carter, Clint Stoerner,Ryan Leaf,Anthony Wright,Drew Henson,Chad Hutchinson,Vinny Testeverde,Drew Bledsoe, Randall Cunningham etc. You got to watch and enjoy Jimmy Johnson teams, I got Dave Campo teams.

I pity you, .. but I bow before you as a fan.

I have a good friend who is a Sr. in high school and a Cowboys fan. I bow to him every time I see him and we both laugh, .. but he is still a fan and in his 17 yrs, .. he has seen NOTHING from the Cowboys!!

You young fans are awesome. Not sure I would be a fan if I were picking a team over the past 12-15 yrs.

But I picked the Cowboys in 65 or 66 so I am stuck with this mess.

Didn't you get married within the past year or so?

 

[kojak]

I am not sure Romo would have had the same success as Troy did with that team. Troy best football came in the playoffs and the SB's where Romo would of had some speed bumps along the way. Having said that with the talent on the team I think Romo would of at least reached one SB and possibly win.

But IMO if Romo was playing in that era of football he would have had better success with teams running a west coast offense, the run and shoot, ect. Probably would have winded up in the AFC somewhere.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

LOL, those two buttons aren't anywhere close to each other, and you put "wins" instead of "win". What's sad is that you have 5000 posts here, so obviously you know better, but some of you guys have really gotten to the point that you forget he actually did win that game 4 years ago. It doesn't fit the mantra that he "always" chokes, every time without fail, so it's just been cast aside. Honestly not trying to clown you, I just find it sad.

It's been so long that I sometimes forget too. All I remember is following up that win with a bad loss to Minnesota and the following year's 6-10 record.

 

[Muhast]

I pity you, .. but I bow before you as a fan.

I have a good friend who is a Sr. in high school and a Cowboys fan. I bow to him every time I see him and we both laugh, .. but he is still a fan and in his 17 yrs, .. he has seen NOTHING from the Cowboys!!

You young fans are awesome. Not sure I would be a fan if I were picking a team over the past 12-15 yrs.

But I picked the Cowboys in 65 or 66 so I am stuck with this mess.

Didn't you get married within the past year or so?

Funny you should ask that, yesterday (10/9) was our third anniversary

 

[jrumann59]

Sorry but I as much as I love Romo he would still make a lot of the mistakes he makes now. Not to mention I actually he starts chomping at the bit if you make him handoff 5-6 times in a row. Those teams would not respond to his type of leadership. Personally I would love to see Dez opposite of Irvin now how scary would that team have looked.

 

[visionary]

Troy had his moments during all 3 runs but saying he "led" them there, with that roster, and the personality of that coach, is funny. QB worship at its finest.

One of the worst posts I have read on this board
Clearly you are giving an uninformed opinion without having watched Troy play live

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The fact that he didn't run the ball, play defense or coach, and that he wasn't the singular most important "leader" (Johnson) or player (Smith). Unless you would also say that Leon Lett led them to the Super Bowl, which no one would.

Semantics aside, I'm not trying to make a commentary about Troy's leadership or deserved HoF career. The person I replied to was making another "rings" argument and I responded to that. Nothing to see here.

OK, gonna ask, did you watch Aikman play on those teams? I ask because I don't know and it's hard for me to understand unless perhaps it's a case where you never saw him play.

Every single Cowboy, every single Coach I ever heard, says that Aikman was their leader on the field. He played the most important position on the field. I guess I just can't understand that mind set.