A smart move to save cap space

[CCBoy]

I mean this just destroys that guys argument ..... they have more playoff wins in the last 3 years than we have had in the last 3 decades.

I mean really ........ think about that?

You put on some additional weight in 30 years?

They changed out players and coaches.

 

[Flamma]

What i wrote is how the system works not the way i think or someone should think. To use it the right way is the duty of a GM or management.

The Joneses dont think the way i wrote it. The Joneses have no clue about management. They deny FA because they dont know how to judge talent not are they good in contract negotiations. I think they are well aware of it and chose to simply ignore everything they are not good at.

I noticed this as well, and it's not just FA. Even though they draft well, they are not good at maneuvering in the draft. They made some poor decisions in the past, so they just don't do it anymore. That's why we see them stand pat on day 1 and day 2. They might trade back if someone asks, but that's about it.

 

[CCBoy]

As the Micah Parsons contract negotiations drag on and on, I am reminded of what a great FO would be doing now. Of course they should have signed Parsons early in the spring because it would have freed up more cap space to sign other impactful players. That ship unfortunately has sailed in this off-season.

But there is still time on a very impactful player they should start negotiations NOW to extend a new contract. He is IMO the second best player on this roster. Extend him now and save future cap space: That player is TYLER SMITH.

Why sign Tyler Smith now? He has another year on his rookie deal. Here are the reasons:

• By extending him now, they can lock up TS at 2025 prices, saving future money and cap space. What Smith is worth now will be way cheaper than he will demand the next year.
• Smith just turned 24. Locking him up now ensures he’s here for the duration of his best years.
• Smith and his agent (like most NFL players and agents) usually like early contract extensions because it protects and guarantees the player a good payday before a potential injury could end a career.
• Finally - if the Cowboys wait again, it will not only cost more, but further hamstring their cap flexibility in the future.

Tyler Smith is the second most talented player on this team. Getting him extended now would save millions down the road. It makes perfect sense. Which is why it probably won’t happen here.

Will instead of securing both Parsons and Smith, team specialists support Parsons and a major defensive tackle before game #2.

 

[CCBoy]

I noticed this as well, and it's not just FA. Even though they draft well, they are not good at maneuvering in the draft. They made some poor decisions in the past, so they just don't do it anymore. That's why we see them stand pat on day 1 and day 2. They might trade back if someone asks, but that's about it.

Russell Maryland spoiled the record ... was too money driven and affected defensive tackles from that point.

 

[CCBoy]

Great concept. But this FO can't understand stuff like this. They will pick up his 5th year option. Then wait to negotiate as usual.
I don't really care, as I can't do anything about it. So will not waste brain cells over it.

Lamb and Pickens are much closer to 1a and 1b and the rest of the receiver group is very strong. Yes, the depth is very and talk about great speed as well.

 

[Chuck 54]

As the Micah Parsons contract negotiations drag on and on, I am reminded of what a great FO would be doing now. Of course they should have signed Parsons early in the spring because it would have freed up more cap space to sign other impactful players. That ship unfortunately has sailed in this off-season.

But there is still time on a very impactful player they should start negotiations NOW to extend a new contract. He is IMO the second best player on this roster. Extend him now and save future cap space: That player is TYLER SMITH.

Why sign Tyler Smith now? He has another year on his rookie deal. Here are the reasons:

• By extending him now, they can lock up TS at 2025 prices, saving future money and cap space. What Smith is worth now will be way cheaper than he will demand the next year.
• Smith just turned 24. Locking him up now ensures he’s here for the duration of his best years.
• Smith and his agent (like most NFL players and agents) usually like early contract extensions because it protects and guarantees the player a good payday before a potential injury could end a career.
• Finally - if the Cowboys wait again, it will not only cost more, but further hamstring their cap flexibility in the future.

Tyler Smith is the second most talented player on this team. Getting him extended now would save millions down the road. It makes perfect sense. Which is why it probably won’t happen here.

The problem maybe this…..despite the Cowboys setting the bar for waiting till the last minute, at this point, why would a blue chip player ever sign early for less money when both he and his agent already know they can drag their feet into next year’s training camp and eventually make the biggest bank?

 

[xwalker]

As the Micah Parsons contract negotiations drag on and on, I am reminded of what a great FO would be doing now. Of course they should have signed Parsons early in the spring because it would have freed up more cap space to sign other impactful players. That ship unfortunately has sailed in this off-season.

But there is still time on a very impactful player they should start negotiations NOW to extend a new contract. He is IMO the second best player on this roster. Extend him now and save future cap space: That player is TYLER SMITH.

Why sign Tyler Smith now? He has another year on his rookie deal. Here are the reasons:

• By extending him now, they can lock up TS at 2025 prices, saving future money and cap space. What Smith is worth now will be way cheaper than he will demand the next year.
• Smith just turned 24. Locking him up now ensures he’s here for the duration of his best years.
• Smith and his agent (like most NFL players and agents) usually like early contract extensions because it protects and guarantees the player a good payday before a potential injury could end a career.
• Finally - if the Cowboys wait again, it will not only cost more, but further hamstring their cap flexibility in the future.

Tyler Smith is the second most talented player on this team. Getting him extended now would save millions down the road. It makes perfect sense. Which is why it probably won’t happen here.

Most agents won't tolerate having a veteran star player on a significantly below market contract.

See the Zack Martin holdout from a couple of years ago.

The fan/media whining about waiting to sign players is silly.

It's more risk to the team for a possible small amount saved.

What if they signed Parsons the first day he was eligible to sign a new contract, then the following year another pass rusher got 10M more per year?

The answer is that he would hold out. The agent would insist.

 

[exciter]

As the Micah Parsons contract negotiations drag on and on, I am reminded of what a great FO would be doing now. Of course they should have signed Parsons early in the spring because it would have freed up more cap space to sign other impactful players. That ship unfortunately has sailed in this off-season.

But there is still time on a very impactful player they should start negotiations NOW to extend a new contract. He is IMO the second best player on this roster. Extend him now and save future cap space: That player is TYLER SMITH.

Why sign Tyler Smith now? He has another year on his rookie deal. Here are the reasons:

• By extending him now, they can lock up TS at 2025 prices, saving future money and cap space. What Smith is worth now will be way cheaper than he will demand the next year.
• Smith just turned 24. Locking him up now ensures he’s here for the duration of his best years.
• Smith and his agent (like most NFL players and agents) usually like early contract extensions because it protects and guarantees the player a good payday before a potential injury could end a career.
• Finally - if the Cowboys wait again, it will not only cost more, but further hamstring their cap flexibility in the future.

Tyler Smith is the second most talented player on this team. Getting him extended now would save millions down the road. It makes perfect sense. Which is why it probably won’t happen here.

Well, except there’s holes in your theory.
Smith wasn’t some 2nd or 3rd round pick who hit it big and has nothing to fall back on while playing out his rookie contract. Both him and his agent know he’s going to shatter the record for highest paid guard and they have the luxury of over 21m already guaranteed due to his 5th year option and the agent can file injury insurance. Now if Dallas would like to go ahead and pay him what’s projected (25m avg) if he holds out, similar to what the Texans did with Stingly when they signed early and gave him (30m avg) then I’m sure they’ll take it. Reality is, there’s just no reason for Smith or his agent to take a contract that doesn’t pay what his projected contract would be, doing so is just a delusion that sounds good in the imagination of fans!

 

[Coogiguy03]

Our GM is flawed. GM Jethro likes to pay players based off their prior performance. If they out played their previous contract, he thinks he owes them money.

Your new contract should be for how you expect the player to perform moving forward during the years of the new contract.

That's the problem a player can have a great season then lay a complete egg the next. That's why I feel there should just be one year deals all across the board. I KNOW it's not a good idea, but damn many of these big deals can we do and keep getting burned

 

[TwentyOne]

It's the way they think about signing players early. They don't feel the need to rush for the reasons you state, also because they want to keep their options open as long as possible.

Not sure why everyone on this board cares how much players make or when we sign them. It isn't the reason we don't sign FA BTW - don't let the Jones bros trick you into thinking they couldn't sign FA is they wanted to. It doesn't materially matter. Yet everyone talks about it all the time on this board.

I dont know how the Joneses think. And i guess most of us dont either.

They for sure gave reasons to the media of why they do this or that. But to me the Joneses arent bright people. I am pretty sure SJ or JJ has never sat in his office learning the fundamental stuff about management or the salary cap. Gathering knowledge how the cap works, then trying to understand the mathmatics behind it, then working out a plan that implements the knowledge into an algorythm that they then follow as a strategy.

They for sure act like they did that. But i really doubt it. The Joneses are people who will tell you stuff because it fits their agenda. If the agenda changes so does the stuff they will tell you. They have what i call peasants cunning. Latter works as long as problems are not complex and so the solution is obvious. But to handle more complex problems you have to have deeper knowledge and understanding of fundamentals. I dare to say that both lack those AND they are not able to understand them even if the'd try to.

So no i dont know what the Joneses think. But i am quite sure that what they tell us thru the media is not what they really think.

As i wrote before. The Joneses dont get into FA because they figured out that they have no clue about talent evaluation nor do they have the reqiured talent to negotiate good contracts. Latter can be followed every year when they sing their own players. They hand out ridiculous contracts. That they have no clue about talent evaluation and decission making can also be seen in the bad drafts we have had in the last 8 years (as an example).

There is a reason why this franchsie is one of the worst of the league year in and year out.


But dont make the mistake to think that we have enough money to sign FAs. This is (was) not the case. You make the same mistake as does @Bobhaze. There is a difference between absolute values and relative ones. And that were are/were in cap hell is a direct followup of Stephens inability to understand the salary cap or to negotiate contracts. We were in cap hell. Right now we trying to climb out of it. Lets see were this will bring us 1 or 2 years from here. I for sure have my doubts we are able to. Not with this personal in the FO and the way they approach their job.

 

[fivetwos]

That's the problem a player can have a great season then lay a complete egg the next. That's why I feel there should just be one year deals all across the board. I KNOW it's not a good idea, but damn many of these big deals can we do and keep getting burned

Not that it’s a bad idea, but the players union would never go for that. As it is, it’s the only sport where the contracts aren’t guaranteed in full.

They will eventually demand it though, and we will likely see a short season as a result. That’s going to be a tough hurdle to compromise.

 

[Johannes44]

That's the problem a player can have a great season then lay a complete egg the next. That's why I feel there should just be one year deals all across the board. I KNOW it's not a good idea, but damn many of these big deals can we do and keep getting burned

what they should do is to resign players to higher contracts that have performance requirement's. So hey you want to get arrested. You now run the risk of taking a hit to your wallet. Can’t be bothered to show up to camp or show up out of shape, well here is your fine.

 

[Flamma]

The problem maybe this…..despite the Cowboys setting the bar for waiting till the last minute, at this point, why would a blue chip player ever sign early for less money when both he and his agent already know they can drag their feet into next year’s training camp and eventually make the biggest bank?

Most players don't think like that, especially if they didn't get their 2nd contract yet. They hear millions, they want it. That's why they have agents. So they don't get taken advantage of. Most players will take the big money with guarantees now if it's close to market value.

 

[Bobhaze]

Most agents won't tolerate having a veteran star player on a significantly below market contract.

See the Zack Martin holdout from a couple of years ago.

The fan/media whining about waiting to sign players is silly.

It's more risk to the team for a possible small amount saved.

What if they signed Parsons the first day he was eligible to sign a new contract, then the following year another pass rusher got 10M more per year?

The answer is that he would hold out. The agent would insist.

Well the Cowboys have done rookie contract extensions several times in the last 5 years with support of their agents: Zeke, Terance Steele, and Trevon Diggs for example.

The eagles have done it many times with players like Jalen Hurts, AJ Brown, DeVonta Smith, Reed Blankenship and others. Eagles GM Howie Roseman is very adept at managing their cap using early extensions for players they know they want to keep. It makes a lot of sense.

The Zack Martin example you gave as a holdout was a completely different scenario because Martin was nearing the end of his career and wanted to be paid what he believed was market value in his last few seasons. That’s a completely different scenario than Tyler Smith now. Martin was 33 when he held out. Smith is 24.

 

[dstew60105]

A really smart move is to trade him for picks, and save money. Your not winning anything with the guy, so why keep him?

Trade away your best OL? Yeah, no....

 

[kskboys]

I noticed this as well, and it's not just FA. Even though they draft well, they are not good at maneuvering in the draft. They made some poor decisions in the past, so they just don't do it anymore. That's why we see them stand pat on day 1 and day 2. They might trade back if someone asks, but that's about it.

Haven't been drafting well as of late.

IMO, they don't draft well, they got lucky for a while. Ceedee sliding, Diggs available for a 2nd, the two CBs they targeted being taken so they were forced to take Parsons, small schooler Tyler working out. What makes you say that they draft well? Several huge gaffes in there are what keeps us from winning playoff games.

 

[Rayman70]

Trade away your best OL? Yeah, no....

He plays DE and linebacker... But what good is a player that is AWOL in big games? Not hating on Micah, dude is talented, but are we overvaluing him and his presence on the team? I'm wondering.

 

[goshann]

I dont know how the Joneses think. And i guess most of us dont either.

They for sure gave reasons to the media of why they do this or that. But to me the Joneses arent bright people. I am pretty sure SJ or JJ has never sat in his office learning the fundamental stuff about management or the salary cap. Gathering knowledge how the cap works, then trying to understand the mathmatics behind it, then working out a plan that implements the knowledge into an algorythm that they then follow as a strategy.

They for sure act like they did that. But i really doubt it. The Joneses are people who will tell you stuff because it fits their agenda. If the agenda changes so does the stuff they will tell you. They have what i call peasants cunning. Latter works as long as problems are not complex and so the solution is obvious. But to handle more complex problems you have to have deeper knowledge and understanding of fundamentals. I dare to say that both lack those AND they are not able to understand them even if the'd try to.

So no i dont know what the Joneses think. But i am quite sure that what they tell us thru the media is not what they really think.

As i wrote before. The Joneses dont get into FA because they figured out that they have no clue about talent evaluation nor do they have the reqiured talent to negotiate good contracts. Latter can be followed every year when they sing their own players. They hand out ridiculous contracts. That they have no clue about talent evaluation and decission making can also be seen in the bad drafts we have had in the last 8 years (as an example).

There is a reason why this franchsie is one of the worst of the league year in and year out.


But dont make the mistake to think that we have enough money to sign FAs. This is (was) not the case. You make the same mistake as does @Bobhaze. There is a difference between absolute values and relative ones. And that were are/were in cap hell is a direct followup of Stephens inability to understand the salary cap or to negotiate contracts. We were in cap hell. Right now we trying to climb out of it. Lets see were this will bring us 1 or 2 years from here. I for sure have my doubts we are able to. Not with this personal in the FO and the way they approach their job.

lol now u going sideways
- they are def very bright. They are doing exactly what they want to do which is to make a bunch of money and to drive the value of the franchise as high as possible while getting to have fun as a family making all the decisions
- they absolutely have enough money to sign high dollar players FAs but won’t because of number 1 above
- they simply want to maximize options and avoid risk so they don’t sign players early. They are willing to pay more because of it.

It’s a very good business strategy to maximize profits, but not win championships.

They aren’t dumb - they know exactly what they are doing and it’s working based upon their goals and priorities.

 

[TwentyOne]

lol now u going sideways
- they are def very bright. They are doing exactly what they want to do which is to make a bunch of money and to drive the value of the franchise as high as possible while getting to have fun as a family making all the decisions
- they absolutely have enough money to sign high dollar players FAs but won’t because of number 1 above
- they simply want to maximize options and avoid risk so they don’t sign players early. They are willing to pay more because of it.

It’s a very good business strategy to maximize profits, but not win championships.

They aren’t dumb - they know exactly what they are doing and it’s working based upon their goals and priorities.

I dont think i am going sideways. I just repeated my argumentation and explained it a bit more in detail.

If you think they are bright thats ok. I dont think so. But to be precise i dont think they are dumb either - that is your statement. I follow them now for 30 years, i have seen what JJ has "accomplished" before he bought the Cowboys. As i said i think they have peasant cunning. But they are not brighter than the average US citizen you'll meet on the streets. They are good at making you believe they are, i give you that.

If you think they have enough money i gave you arguments against that. I cant do more then give you good arguments, if you still believe in your own then thats ok for me. But there is no need to discuss the topic any further if arguments cant convince you. I suggest its up to you to put in the work and look at the salary cap specifics and compare them to times when we had enough cap space (for instance the time when Garrett was here, at around 4-5 years into his HC job). Again this is not about having money its about salary cap space.


Its another topic to discuss their goals and priorities. But if you think those are not winning championships i am with you.

 

[goshann]

I dont think i am going sideways. I just repeated my argumentation and explained it a bit more in detail.

If you think they are bright thats ok. I dont think so. But to be precise i dont think they are dumb either - that is your statement. I follow them now for 30 years, i have seen what JJ has "accomplished" before he bought the Cowboys. As i said i think they have peasant cunning. But they are not brighter than the average US citizen you'll meet on the streets. They are good at making you believe they are, i give you that.

If you think they have enough money i gave you arguments against that. I cant do more then give you good arguments, if you still believe in your own then thats ok for me. But there is no need to discuss the topic any further if arguments cant convince you. I suggest its up to you to put in the work and look at the salary cap specifics and compare them to times when we had enough cap space (for instance the time when Garrett was here, at around 4-5 years into his HC job). Again this is not about having money its about salary cap space.


Its another topic to discuss their goals and priorities. But if you think those are not winning championships i am with you.

They are billionaires and have access to a team of advisors, experts and consultants.
Whether their individual IQ is that high isn't that relevant. But I would for sure bet they are brighter than the average person you meet on the streets though (~100 IQ). And you are clearly underestimating Jerry's business success and capabilities in deal making, strategic thinking and leadership -- all hallmarks of high practical intelligence.

The measure of a business owner is company value, growth over time and profits. He is great at that and he seems pretty smart.

It's a priority/goal problem, not an aptitude or intelligence problem. He is optimizing the business against his goals very well - make money, build the most valuable sports franchise, work with his family, make the decisions himself, don't take undue risks. He would like to win, but it's lower priority than those things and he has been very successful with his approach based upon his goals/priorities which he has stated if you actually listen to what he says over the years.