A Touch OF Juke-ility... ;)

tyke1doe

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HoleInTheRoof;3126031 said:
I think you're overrating the talent.

I'm not suggesting we've got scrubs... we just don't have catalyst, dynamic, home run players.

Ware, Witten, & Ratliff are dynamic.

Romo, Davis, & Jenkins are top 10-15 at their position accross the league.

The rest, for the most part, are decent but nothing exceptional.

We're not overflowing with talent is my point. And that is why we struggle from game to game like everyone else (for the most part).

Parity.

I know this is hearsay around these parts, but I don't think Ware is a dynamic, home-run player.

He doesn't make enough game-changing plays down the stretch for me. He disappears or can't be found when we need him most.

He's a great player, just not a clutch player.

Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Ronnie Lott - clutch players.

Ware is not on their level.
 

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Juke99;3125972 said:
Thanks.
Maybe I didn't make it clear...we don't have to win 44-7 over Oakland but we can't be OK with the mistakes or sloppy unfocused play simply be we beat them....that's the point I'm trying to make.

And I agree that teams regularly play closer games than expected against bad teams...It just seems to me that this team is a lot more ok with that than others.

Something's wrong. And it's not the talent.

For some reason, when a big play has to be made, we don't do it.

If it was about talent, we wouldn't have put up the yards we did yesterday.

Something's wrong and I think it's focus and lack of killer instinct. And those are attributes that CAN be practiced. Just one guy's opinion.

It's amazing to me that with a young roster like he had, Jimmy Johnson, was able to mold his team into an aggressive, turnover-producing, special teams monster unit.

I can be done. You need right coach.

The worst thing Jerry Jones could have done was saddle the talent Parcells collected with a coach like Wade Phillips. His attitude and culture is so engrained in these players I don't know how long it will take to rid it. And what's so concerning is Jerry Jones is not likely to hire a disciplinarian because such a coach won't want Jerry to meddle. And Jerry needs to have his say.
 

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tyke1doe;3126074 said:
It's amazing to me that with a young roster like he had, Jimmy Johnson, was able to mold his team into an aggressive, turnover-producing, special teams monster unit.

I can be done. You need right coach.

The worst thing Jerry Jones could have done was saddle the talent Parcells collected with a coach like Wade Phillips. His attitude and culture is so engrained in these players I don't know how long it will take to rid it. And what's so concerning is Jerry Jones is not likely to hire a disciplinarian because such a coach won't want Jerry to meddle. And Jerry needs to have his say.

Exactly. But, it was apparently more important to not have to walk on eggshells than it was to build a winning, championship caliber team.
 

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ScipioCowboy;3125676 said:
You make good points, Juke.

In my opinion, the Cowboys' problems with focus and accountability are symptoms of the manner in which the team is managed and operated. They start at the top and trickle down.

Absolutely right. This team is a reflection of its management and I doubt it changes much any time soon.
 

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Bach;3126212 said:
Exactly. But, it was apparently more important to not have to walk on eggshells than it was to build a winning, championship caliber team.

Isn't it interesting that many multiple-Super-Bowl-winning/participating coaches weren't liked much by their players.

Terry Bradshaw hated Chuck Noll.
Duane Thomas hated Tom Landry's rigid, stoic ways.
John Elway hated Dan Reeves.
Bill Parcells got on Phil Simms' last nerve.
Troy Aikman couldn't forgive Jimmy Johnson for promoting Steve Walsh over him until after Johnson left.

Yet these coaches were more interested in winning then making friends and caring about whether they got along with the players.

Sometimes, a leader needs to be a leader, not your buddy.
 

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tyke1doe;3126046 said:
:clap:

These fans that cry "That's why we don't run" after our running game gets stuffed, don't understand that running the ball is a mentality.

You can't develop it just in one game. You have to develop it through the course of a season. Yes, your running game may get stuffed. But unless you practice it consistently and make it a mentality, it's not going to work when you need it the most. You need to be able to run the ball in December and in the playoffs.

Oh, and :laugh2: on a Touch of "Juke-lity."
Nice, er, touch. :D

I believe this to be one hundred percent correct.

I mentioned it in a thread a few weeks back, but the reason we struggle late in the season is that we do not have the 'attitude' to win.

Running the ball breeds toughness and commitment. It is a mindset that breeds toughness in individuals and teams.. and yes it must be implemented from day 1.

I don't like our 'trick' running plays, the runs from shotgun etc.. they have their place but not as your bread and butter. You don't send the right message with these types of plays. They tell your team and your opponents that you have to be 'tricky' to win.

No.. in December and January you want a team that believes they are the baddest sons of guns in the league and to dare opponents to stop them. We haven't had that in a long long time.
 

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why run the ball when you can throw it? or pretend to throw it from shotgun then handoff.

it's amazing jason has a job really!
 

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HoleInTheRoof;3125903 said:
To me, you're either born with a higher mental capacity or you're not. Just as some are born with stronger physical attributes than others.

Why is Notre Dame struggling? Because ever since they tightened their academic restrictions, they're unable to get the talent to compete for a National Championship.

For the record, I wouldn't want Bobby Fisher or a surgeon playing on my football team.... just like I wouldn't want Bradie James cutting me open on the operating table.

I'll have to disagree with you here, Swat. You can learn focus, especially if you practice yoga. It's called the Chitta, finding your Purusha or higher self. Not only that, it's what most liberal arts teaches you to do... focus.
 

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Juke99;3125481 said:
During the first three months of the season, when the Cowboys win a game in somewhat less than perfection fashion and we hear the coach say "It's tough to win in the NFL, we'll take it"...when some fans here get blasted for complaining about the way the team won...maybe you can take a look at yesterday and see things from a different perspective regarding those early season wins.

When a team has superior talent, like this one does, those games that are less important than the all important December games are dress rehearsals for practicing perfect execution...developing a killer instinct...keeping pressure on an opponent for a full 60 minutes. A team cannot practice that stuff during they week on their own practive field. It must be done against an opponent.

You are working from a faulty assumption. We are not a team filled with superior talent.

By the way I am joining the doom and gloom club. I will be surprised if we win another game this year.
 

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chinch;3126548 said:
why run the ball when you can throw it? or pretend to throw it from shotgun then handoff.

it's amazing jason has a job really!
:lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:
 

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Juke99;3125481 said:
During the first three months of the season, when the Cowboys win a game in somewhat less than perfection fashion and we hear the coach say "It's tough to win in the NFL, we'll take it"...when some fans here get blasted for complaining about the way the team won...maybe you can take a look at yesterday and see things from a different perspective regarding those early season wins.

When a team has superior talent, like this one does, those games that are less important than the all important December games are dress rehearsals for practicing perfect execution...developing a killer instinct...keeping pressure on an opponent for a full 60 minutes. A team cannot practice that stuff during they week on their own practive field. It must be done against an opponent.

THAT is why December happens to this team. They don't practice playing a FULL focused game during the earlier part of the season.

As an example, if, early in the season, they're winning 31-10 and give up a sloppy late TD that makes the final score 31-17 some of us will complain and hear "What more do you want? Now a win isn't good enough for you?" What I want is a focused effort for a full 60 minutes so we don't have to see the breakdowns we do, time after time, in games like yesterday. If you don't practice playing a full 60 minutes during EVERY game, you'll never be able to do it down the stretch run...and that is why this team loses every big game by giving up big plays or not stepping up to make big plays 4-5 times a game. They get away with it against lesser opponents...but not against the elite or when the games are more important.

The fact that the head coach embraces the "A win is a win. It's tough to win in the NFL" philosophy, has this team doomed.

Ya can't just throw a switch in the big games if you haven't practiced your focus in all the games leading up to the more important games.

If you can beat Oakland by a score of 44 to 7 rather than 24-7, THAT is what you do. You don't win the game by a 17 point margin, when it should have been far greater and say "A win is a win"

Many people pick apart a loss like yesterday...it's the special teams...it was this play...it was that play...But if you notice, it's always a TEAM effort...yep, the special teams blew it yesterday...so did the defense when we needed them to step up...so did the offense, Barber's fumble...and as good as he was yesterday, Romo can't miss that pass to a wide open Roy Williams and Romo has to get the ball snapped before the final two minute warning.

The team is not mentally prepared to play an intense full 60 minutes because they don't do so against lesser opponents....and within that approach, the seeds for every December failing are planted.

Nice post.

I don't know why the team is a little too sloppy and error prone, but they are.
 

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JBond;3126594 said:
You are working from a faulty assumption. We are not a team filled with superior talent.

By the way I am joining the doom and gloom club. I will be surprised if we win another game this year.

??? The Giants..the team that was on the field yesterday had superior talent to the Cowboys?

I think not.

Take a look at the stats. The Cowboys dominated the entire game. Teams with inferior talent don't do that. OC was benched. Tuck is hurt. Their secondary is a shambles. Eli has been hurt all year. Their defensive leader, Pierce is gone for the season. Diehl left the game.

Please, "fault assumption" give me a break.
 

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Yes the Cardinals of last year executed the Cowboys philosophy perfectly on their way to a one and done playoff los--- oh wait.

And the '06 Colts sure didn't realize that 'a win is a win' in the playoffs because the end result was also a playoff los--- oh wait.
 

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Hostile;3126760 said:

no kidding, Jason and Tony lit them up like a Christmas three. The only beef I got with Jason is that he hasn't played Choice more.
 

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Juke...

Totally agree with what you have written. The bigges culprit of a lack of discipline has to be the Offensive line. They have none. Flo Adams is the poster child of this behavior and yet we run him out game after game to make dumb mistakes one after the other. We don't draft anyone to replace him and we keep giving him signing bonus money to repeat the same stupid behavior year after year. Yesterday our O-Line stunk, it can't run block and it has a real hard time picking up the blitz. If we had an immoble QB he woudl never last 8 games behind that line. Houck has not fixed anything and yesterday you saw another half hearted effort by the O-Line.
 
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