A Very Simple Question for Jerry Jones...

[Bach]

its not Jerry or the Coaches... for the last 3 seasons he had everything in place to win....the players screwed it up not Jerry......

Wade as HC, Jerry's handpicked assistants and circus atmosphere is considered having "everything in place"?


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[CF74]

yall dont really believe the nonsense you write do you?.....if he didnt care he would invest some much time and money into this team......as much as the losses pain you.....he feels it 3 times as bad...

he brought in good players, hes been drafting well, hes put these players in best position to win.....at some point they (the players) are gonna have to put it all together.....remember Jerry dont kick, pass, or catch

When he hires some solid coaches it will all fall in place, yes men are weak. Weak I tell ya!!!

 

[yimyammer]

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[dadymat]

Wade as HC, Jerry's handpicked assistants and circus atmosphere is considered having "everything in place"?


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the Coaches, assistants and circus atmosphere still had this team in position to win....not getting it done falls on players....they are the ones that layed down....not the staff......the staff didnt fumble the snap against Seattle, the staff didnt let the Giants beat us last year and the staff didnt let Pitt come back on us, Ravens run to back to back 70 plus yard runs on us, or go out and let Philly lay that beat down on us......if the players had the passion for the Dallas Cowboys that Jerry has they would be unstoppable.....but i forgot its Jerry's fault the team lacks heart and leadership....

 

[dadymat]

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thats wrong...lol

 

[Beast_from_East]

And who's only successes came when he brought in two football people to build teams he destroyed (i.e. Jimmy and Parcells)

Exactly what success did we have under Parcells???


I remember a pair of first round playoff losses under Tuna, but thats about it. In fact, we didnt even win a division title in 4 freaking years under Tuna.


Remember the "you are what your record says you are speech" that Tuna was famous for???


34-30, 0-2 in playoff, 0 division titles.


Thats your definition of success? And if Tuna was so successful, why was the fan base calling for his head by year 4?


I love revisionist history, "we were great under Tuna".

 

[GOLDENCHILD1688]

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[Bach]

the Coaches, assistants and circus atmosphere still had this team in position to win....not getting it done falls on players....they are the ones that layed down....not the staff......the staff didnt fumble the snap against Seattle, the staff didnt let the Giants beat us last year and the staff didnt let Pitt come back on us, Ravens run to back to back 70 plus yard runs on us, or go out and let Philly lay that beat down on us......if the players had the passion for the Dallas Cowboys that Jerry has they would be unstoppable.....but i forgot its Jerry's fault the team lacks heart and leadership....

Ah, the old "coaching and chemistry doesn't matter" excuse. nice.

 

[Alexander]

they are the ones that layed down....not the staff......the staff didnt fumble the snap against Seattle, the staff didnt let the Giants beat us last year and the staff didnt let Pitt come back on us, Ravens run to back to back 70 plus yard runs on us, or go out and let Philly lay that beat down on us......if the players had the passion for the Dallas Cowboys that Jerry has they would be unstoppable.....but i forgot its Jerry's fault the team lacks heart and leadership....

Philadelphia beat us badly because quite simply, no one cared at that stage.

Players are not like light switches. That is why some coaches are successful because they can motivate.

While I won't absolve the players for not being grown men and wanting it for themselves, that can get you to a point, but not over the hump.

You will have a hard time finding any successful team with no chemistry, no leadership at the top, middle or bottom and a circus environment. The staff has to lead. Since they can't under our structure that Jones created, who are the players supposed to take their cue from? Him? Okay, then he's a bad motivator.

If what you are saying is true, then any team can run on autopilot with a bunch of concerned professionals who are all on the same page. All the coaches and management needs to do is throw their hands up when they aren't successful and state they've done all they can do.

 

[Doomsday101]

If you could look at it objectively, would you hire this person:

A successful businessman in a field that has nothing to do with professional athletics, no previous sports management experience, no professional playing and/or coaching experience, a former college athlete...

to be the decision maker in regard to personnel decisions on YOUR professional football team?

I know you own the team Jerry, but damn...THINK ABOUT IT!

(You want 'one more Super Bowl,' well, maybe if you removed yourself you can get it...nothing wrong with being JUST a GREAT OWNER...idiot.

Dallas getting talent has not been an issue, I know all good picks someone is got them any bad pick that was Jerry. As for background Tex did not have much of a background when the Rams hired him as a public relations director

 

[Alexander]

Dallas getting talent has not been an issue, I know all good picks someone is got them any bad pick that was Jerry. As for background Tex did not have much of a background when the Rams hired him as a public relations director

From a talent acquisition aspect, Jones has corrected a lot of bad behaviors in recent years. I think that is one thing you can take out of the Parcells era, it taught Jones quite a bit about how to evaluate talent, no question about it. More importantly, I think it wasn't that he got smarter, he actually got humbled and learned to listen better. Getting rid of Lacewell and his awful eye was a huge win.

But being a GM/Owner is not just about talent acquisition. If you believe it is, I suggest you broaden your perspective.

So in 20 years, scout Jerry finally got his talent badge. That's wonderful.

Now he needs to work on the other things, like how to create a successful and winning culture on a football team. That means eliminating distraction and preaching focus, while having empowered subordinates who can carry that mission out.

It's not just about vomiting up talent and crossing your fingers that they all work in synergy. I know he does not believe that and keeps pointing back to the dynasty as his "evidence".

 

[iceberg]

If you could look at it objectively, would you hire this person:

A successful businessman in a field that has nothing to do with professional athletics, no previous sports management experience, no professional playing and/or coaching experience, a former college athlete...

to be the decision maker in regard to personnel decisions on YOUR professional football team?
I know you own the team Jerry, but damn...THINK ABOUT IT!
(You want 'one more Super Bowl,' well, maybe if you removed yourself you can get it...nothing wrong with being JUST a GREAT OWNER...idiot.

if i could look at things objectively, i'd quit complaining about things i can't change. i know you're mr passion here and i know you're never afraid to speak your mind - but lord all mighty - how many times can you say "jones sucks" before you got it covered?

 

[Doomsday101]

From a talent acquisition aspect, Jones has corrected a lot of bad behaviors in recent years. I think that is one thing you can take out of the Parcells era, it taught Jones quite a bit about how to evaluate talent, no question about it. More importantly, I think it wasn't that he got smarter, he actually got humbled and learned to listen better. Getting rid of Lacewell and his awful eye was a huge win.

But being a GM/Owner is not just about talent acquisition. If you believe it is, I suggest you broaden your perspective.

So in 20 years, scout Jerry finally got his talent badge. That's wonderful.

Now he needs to work on the other things, like how to create a successful and winning culture on a football team. That means eliminating distraction and preaching focus, while having empowered subordinates who can carry that mission out.

It's not just about vomiting up talent and crossing your fingers that they all work in synergy. I know he does not believe that and keeps pointing back to the dynasty as his "evidence".

I agree he has to change the preception of distraction but as long as I have been watching the Cowboys distractions have always been a part of this franchise. As for subordinate I guess you are referring to coaches and frankly you nor I know how much say Wade has. People have opinion some think he is a puppet I don't I think he has a say in what is going on and I do think Jerry listens to his input. Sorry I don't think Jerry listened to Jimmy and Bill but now does not listen to Phillips. Fact is many did not like Phillips to begin with so it is not an issue to dismiss him but they do so without any inside knowledge of what is going on.

 

[Hostile]

From a talent acquisition aspect, Jones has corrected a lot of bad behaviors in recent years. I think that is one thing you can take out of the Parcells era, it taught Jones quite a bit about how to evaluate talent, no question about it. More importantly, I think it wasn't that he got smarter, he actually got humbled and learned to listen better. Getting rid of Lacewell and his awful eye was a huge win.

But being a GM/Owner is not just about talent acquisition. If you believe it is, I suggest you broaden your perspective.

So in 20 years, scout Jerry finally got his talent badge. That's wonderful.

Now he needs to work on the other things, like how to create a successful and winning culture on a football team. That means eliminating distraction and preaching focus, while having empowered subordinates who can carry that mission out.

It's not just about vomiting up talent and crossing your fingers that they all work in synergy. I know he does not believe that and keeps pointing back to the dynasty as his "evidence".

That defines Parcells tenure here to me. Yet we still didn't win.

I think Jerry must have spit in the eye of the village witch and she cursed him.

j/k

I think the biggest problem with this team is that they aren't proud enough. It's fine that they can do little flex moves after sacks and TO can entertain after he scores a TD and Roy after he gets a 1st down. I have always thought celebrations like that are useless because they do not lead to wins. But hey, the fans are sure entertained.

I'd be more entertained by wins, and especially wins that matter. I don't want to hear the players opinions of what is working and what isn't. Especially what isn't. I want to see them take pride in the legacy that they represent by virtue of the uniform they are privileged to wear.

No loss will ever gall me as much as losing the final game at Texas Stadium to a rookie QB.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

The problem with "time" is that it allows for "revisionist" history and unreasonable "rashionalization".



"Jerry Jones passed the law in 94 to give those who ain't got a little more" (we had every advantage - Jimmy-less Cowboys lead to implosion in NFC title game)

"he says, he old man how can you stand to think that way... did you really think about it before you made your move?" - Jerry whacking Jimmy

finishes up with "thats just the way it is... some things will never change"




encore, encore - "and the beat goes on... laddee-dadda-dah....laddee-dadda-dumb!"




So in summary, he won't change. He will ALWAYS rationalize "his way" and "his decisions" as being the right ones. Of course, he will throw out an "I was wrong or made a mistake" years afte the fact.... but that wont do us any good.




"No one is gonna burn this place down, not while I am here"


I smell.... a brush fire
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[Alexander]

I agree he has to change the preception of distraction but as long as I have been watching the Cowboys distractions have always been a part of this franchise.

Yes, they have but how did we overcome them? I'd like to think having Hall of Fame players like Aikman, Smith and Irvin helped immensely. Those were all leaders as well who were able to keep the team on the right path. Coach Johnson as well was able to balance out the noise and keep the team on their toes.

Last I checked we don't have any Hall of Fame talent, leaders of their calibre nor a great head coach. That is what Jerry Jones just either does not understand or refuses to acknowledge when he passes off these things as trivial and meaningless. The two eras do not correlate in terms of the ingredients in the mixture. The only thing constant is him and the circus environment he allows to continue with the personalities he permits on the team, the chain of command he fosters that leapfrogs the staff and the distractions that he not only does not control but even encourages.

As for subordinate I guess you are referring to coaches and frankly you nor I know how much say Wade has.

Yes, we do. Jones has made that very clear. He even determines the makeup of the 53 man roster.

People have opinion some think he is a puppet I don't I think he has a say in what is going on and I do think Jerry listens to his input.

That is not the same as having final say.

Sorry I don't think Jerry listened to Jimmy and Bill but now does not listen to Phillips.

Of course he listened to the both of them. We all know there was talent that was brought in that Jones would not claim on his own in both eras. We also know there is talent that the coaches did not want that came aboard too. Again, final say.

Listening is an active function. Reacting upon that advice is another. Jones will overrule his coaches when he feels strongly about something. How strong that hand is played determines how much authority the coach has. The evidence now is clear, Phillips is not even close to either of those coaches and is right in line with Campo. I even think Jones reacted on Gailey's advice much more than he ever has Phillips.

We already know Jones nixed several suggestions that Phillips had even about the makeup of his own coaching staff (Houck over Solari; the whole Reeves mess). That did not happen with Johnson or Parcells, partially because Parcells was smart enough to have that control in his contract. That led to some of the "eggshells".

Just because he "listens" to him does not mean he allows him a method of control. It is all about respect. I believe Jones respects Phillips as a person and as a defensive mind. But he treats him like a glorified coordinator in terms of running the team. It is nothing like what he did with Coach Johnson or Parcells. There is a reason Phillips often says ask Daddy when posed a tough question, especially one about personnel.

Fact is many did not like Phillips to begin with so it is not an issue to dismiss him but they do so without any inside knowledge of what is going on.

Inside knowledge isn't necessary. The evidence is right there. The fact is that apparently you refuse to acknowledge it.

 

[Alexander]

That defines Parcells tenure here to me. Yet we still didn't win.

We also did not have a QB for 3/4th of the era. That is something everyone forgets.

Nor do they appreciate the rebuilding that was continual over the time period. By year four, most of the talent acquisitions were beginning to flourish (Ware etc.). They bloomed in 2007. You can't sit here with a straight face and tell me that Wade Phillips was 13-3 and there was no way Bill Parcells would have posted only nine wins with that team. 2008 had us slip right back to the baseline which seems to be nine wins.

I was just as frustrated with the inability to win. It is clear to see that since there were "eggshells" that there was not a truly committed effort by Jones to hand over the reigns and let Parcells do his thing. He gave him more free reign than anyone. But since the results were not there, he felt justified in pulling back nearly all control the day he hired Phillips.

I think the biggest problem with this team is that they aren't proud enough. It's fine that they can do little flex moves after sacks and TO can entertain after he scores a TD and Roy after he gets a 1st down. I have always thought celebrations like that are useless because they do not lead to wins. But hey, the fans are sure entertained.

Jerry Jones wants stars. Not grunts. That is one clash between his idea of talent than what Coach Parcells did. Same thing with Chan Gailey.

I'd be more entertained by wins, and especially wins that matter. I don't want to hear the players opinions of what is working and what isn't. Especially what isn't. I want to see them take pride in the legacy that they represent by virtue of the uniform they are privileged to wear.

That's a function of today's athlete.

Unless the standard of pride comes from the top (read: Pittsburgh) what makes you think that the players will care? That's that little silly thing called culture that Jerry Jones dismisses.

No loss will ever gall me as much as losing the final game at Texas Stadium to a rookie QB.

Then you should be galled at Jerry Jones as well.

Think about two of the biggest losses in the last two years. Both times those teams took arrogance (real or imagined) from Jones and claimed to use it as motivation. The Ravens felt slighted they were tabbed as the sacrificial lambs. The Giants got wind of the playoff ticket thing and used it. That is the cost of having a visable owner who markets himself as the face of the franchise. I doubt anyone else uses another team's owner's behaviors the same way. It is unheard of. As minor as it seems, little things like that can be the difference in close contests. You know this.

The players take their cues from leadership. Instead of having brass ones from the head coach demanding it be put in three inch headlines, we have ours ordering champagne on ice, championship game tickets and making an effort to schedule a pansy to close out the stadium.

I know we'd all love to have a bunch of passionate self-motivated Captain Americas running around out there filled with team spirit and pride for the franchise, but today's player isn't that. They do need external forces prodding them constantly. This team hasn't responded to either style and there is one constant. You know who that is.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yes, they have but how did we overcome them? I'd like to think having Hall of Fame players like Aikman, Smith and Irvin helped immensely. Those were all leaders as well who were able to keep the team on the right path. Coach Johnson as well was able to balance out the noise and keep the team on their toes.

Last I checked we don't have any Hall of Fame talent, leaders of their calibre nor a great head coach. That is what Jerry Jones just either does not understand or refuses to acknowledge when he passes off these things as trivial and meaningless. The two eras do not correlate in terms of the ingredients in the mixture. The only thing constant is him and the circus environment he allows to continue with the personalities he permits on the team, the chain of command he fosters that leapfrogs the staff and the distractions that he not only does not control but even encourages.



Yes, we do. Jones has made that very clear. He even determines the makeup of the 53 man roster.



That is not the same as having final say.



Of course he listened to the both of them. We all know there was talent that was brought in that Jones would not claim on his own in both eras. We also know there is talent that the coaches did not want that came aboard too. Again, final say.

Listening is an active function. Reacting upon that advice is another. Jones will overrule his coaches when he feels strongly about something. How strong that hand is played determines how much authority the coach has. The evidence now is clear, Phillips is not even close to either of those coaches and is right in line with Campo. I even think Jones reacted on Gailey's advice much more than he ever has Phillips.

We already know Jones nixed several suggestions that Phillips had even about the makeup of his own coaching staff (Houck over Solari; the whole Reeves mess). That did not happen with Johnson or Parcells, partially because Parcells was smart enough to have that control in his contract. That led to some of the "eggshells".

Just because he "listens" to him does not mean he allows him a method of control. It is all about respect. I believe Jones respects Phillips as a person and as a defensive mind. But he treats him like a glorified coordinator in terms of running the team. It is nothing like what he did with Coach Johnson or Parcells. There is a reason Phillips often says ask Daddy when posed a tough question, especially one about personnel.



Inside knowledge isn't necessary. The evidence is right there. The fact is that apparently you refuse to acknowledge it.

You are giving your opinion that is what this sight it for to give ones opinion and you are one of the better spinners around here but in the end you don't know any more than anyone else around here. You read between the lines and 1 thing about reading between the lines you come to your own conclusion but that does not make it fact.

 

[Bach]

You are giving your opinion that is what this sight it for to give ones opinion and you are one of the better spinners around here but in the end you don't know any more than anyone else around here.

What did he spin?

 

[CF74]

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