A Very Simple Question for Jerry Jones...

[Doomsday101]

What did he spin?

How much say Phillips has for one thing, you don't know nor do I.

 

[Bach]

How much say Phillips has for one thing, you don't know nor do I.

Well if you don't know, then how can say it's spin?

 

[Alexander]

Well if you don't know, then how can say it's spin?

:blind:

 

[theebs]

Then you should be galled at Jerry Jones as well.

Think about two of the biggest losses in the last two years. Both times those teams took arrogance (real or imagined) from Jones and claimed to use it as motivation. The Ravens felt slighted they were tabbed as the sacrificial lambs. The Giants got wind of the playoff ticket thing and used it. That is the cost of having a visable owner who markets himself as the face of the franchise. I doubt anyone else uses another team's owner's behaviors the same way. It is unheard of. As minor as it seems, little things like that can be the difference in close contests. You know this.

The players take their cues from leadership. Instead of having brass ones from the head coach demanding it be put in three inch headlines, we have ours ordering champagne on ice, championship game tickets and making an effort to schedule a pansy to close out the stadium.

I know we'd all love to have a bunch of passionate self-motivated Captain Americas running around out there filled with team spirit and pride for the franchise, but today's player isn't that. They do need external forces prodding them constantly. This team hasn't responded to either style and there is one constant. You know who that is.

OUTSTANDING POST alexander

Amani toomer's favorite part about beating the cowboys in the playoffs two years ago was seeing jerry jones on the sidelines!

that is such a sad commentary.

and in fairness rick gosselin confirmed the championship tickets story was completely made up by coughlin as a motivational ploy, but it speaks volumes about jerry that everyone believed it.

and there is no sense in arguing about parcells with anyone, you will just get the he needs belichick to run his 3-4 to win, which is another fallacy.

 

[Doomsday101]

:blind:

Yes I know you are all knowing, I would image you have a seat at the table at Valley Ranch so that you don't get all your info from the media. I should never question your knowledge please excuse me.

 

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[Alexander]

and in fairness rick gosselin confirmed the championship tickets story was completely made up by coughlin as a motivational ploy, but it speaks volumes about jerry that everyone believed it.

That's the pitfall of having an owner who gives off that impression and does his best to ensure that image is marketed. It helps sales, but I don't see how it helps the product on the field.

It is not much different than what teams in the 1970s used (and still do) when the "America's Team" thing is brought up. Schramm and co. didn't start it (NFL Films did), but they did nothing to dispel the rumors that they did and used it as a marketing driver.

If I had my way, I'd eliminate all glitz from the franchise. I'd change the culture and make it as blue collar as possible.

I love our white collar image, but I am convinced it is a detriment.

Jerry Jones loves the glitz. He gobbles it up and markets it bigger than ever. Last season was the pinnacle. Between the SB predictions, Wade Phillips making his little wisecracks/slip of the tongue and Hard Knocks, it was a perfect storm. Believe it or not the players feed off that culture. Pretty soon they lose perspective.

If you don't have a head coach who can real that in and establish a little touch of reality, these players start thinking they are like movie stars. That's exactly what a number of these players have done. They are celebrities. That is sometimes mistaken for ego. Show me a player who is not confident, you've got a loser. But show me a celebrity player, you have an individual that has a strong chance to lose themselves in it if they aren't checked by someone.

and there is no sense in arguing about parcells with anyone, you will just get the he needs belichick to run his 3-4 to win, which is another fallacy.

And that may be true. But, it has absolutely nothing to do with the case at hand. He had Mike Zimmer here. Bill Belichick wasn't available. Even with that, he rebuilt this franchise. That's what he does. I don't love the way he moved on, but that's his thing. I won't allow the disappointment of not getting the Super Bowls I imagined the day he was hired tarnish what he was able to accomplish. And it was quite a bit. People just hate him. They'll even downgrade what happened in Miami. Why? I guess to make themselves feel better. I have no idea.

Jimmy Johnson never won without Dave Wannstedt or Butch Davis. I guess he's terrible too.

If people can't look at two Hall of Fame coaches and appreciate what they can do, while at the same time comparing them to a lifer like Wade Phillips, I can't even describe how dense and illogical that is.

 

[theebs]

That's the pitfall of having an owner who gives off that impression and does his best to ensure that image is marketed. It helps sales, but I don't see how it helps the product on the field.

It is not much different than what teams in the 1970s used (and still do) when the "America's Team" thing is brought up. Schramm and co. didn't start it (NFL Films did), but they did nothing to dispel the rumors that they did and used it as a marketing driver.

If I had my way, I'd eliminate all glitz from the franchise. I'd change the culture and make it as blue collar as possible.

I love our white collar image, but I am convinced it is a detriment.

Jerry Jones loves the glitz. He gobbles it up and markets it bigger than ever. Last season was the pinnacle. Between the SB predictions, Wade Phillips making his little wisecracks/slip of the tongue and Hard Knocks, it was a perfect storm.



And that may be true. But, it has absolutely nothing to do with the case at hand. He had Mike Zimmer here. Bill Belichick wasn't available. Even with that, he rebuilt this franchise. That's what he does. I don't love the way he moved on, but that's his thing. I won't allow the disappointment of not getting the Super Bowls I imagined the day he was hired tarnish what he was able to accomplish. And it was quite a bit. People just hate him. They'll even downgrade what happened in Miami. Why? I guess to make themselves feel better. I have no idea.

Jimmy Johnson never won without Dave Wannstedt or Butch Davis. I guess he's terrible too.

If people can't look at two Hall of Fame coaches and appreciate what they can do, while at the same time comparing them to a lifer like Wade Phillips, I can't even describe how dense and illogical that is.

Blue collaring this organization is what was happening. In 2005 we were very blue collar.

Not winning that year must have made jerry crazy behind the scenes and I am sure given his inpatience he was not going to be told to stay the course, and we end up with owens.

the blue collar element of 05 is what made me love that team. that is part of the clash you see with some of the guys in this locker room now. Deep down they are blue collar guys who do well as underdogs and work hard, but they are forced to be reality tv stars and radio personalities and now a few years down the road it has taken on a life of its own. Now they all embrace that nonsese. It doesnt fit them, we dont have lead dog type of personalities but that is how they are portrayed and that is the environment they have to operate in.

the guys who make up the core of this team were drafted for their football abilities as much as their other intangible traits. these guys were not loudmouths or trashtalking front runners anywhere before, and now they are all in the spotlight all the time and forced to behave like the leaddog.

Now it is too late to correct most of it. the personalities who destroy blue collar locker rooms have already come in and trashed the place.

 

[Alexander]

Now it is too late to correct most of it. the personalities who destroy blue collar locker rooms have already come in and trashed the place.

And have been patted on the head after they did it. "Boys will be boys."

One of the mistakes Jones made when Coach Parcells elected to move on was to do the exact opposite. He listened to the whiners that complained it was too tough. He also wanted to let his own hair down as sharing the spotlight was just too much eggshell walking for him. Couple that with the frustration of not winning a playoff game, he went Cupcake.

After this season, if the results repeat themselves, he might come to his senses and get Holmgren or Shanahan. Maybe that will work.

 

[zeromaster]

The problem is that Dallas is not exactly known as a blue collar city. It's been built on money of various kinds (oil, insurance, banking). It doesn't have a strong union presence in its industries (not that I favor it anyway).

The image it has around the country tends to reflect that; we're not viewed as a city with the labor background of a St. Louis, Cleveland, or Pittsburgh. And it has little idea what to do with its own downtown area, so most of the true character has been torn down and replaced with a lot of glass, steel, and concrete: style over substance.

Jones and the team are largely a reflection of that; it's not really cause and effect, but just how things have turned out to this point.

So while changing the team to be more blue collar has merit, it would be interesting to see if the money crowd (season ticket buyers) would identify strongly with that approach.

 

[theebs]

The problem is that Dallas is not exactly known as a blue collar city. It's been built on money of various kinds (oil, insurance, banking). It doesn't have a strong union presence in its industries (not that I favor it anyway).

The image it has around the country tends to reflect that; we're not viewed as a city with the labor background of a St. Louis, Cleveland, or Pittsburgh. And it has little idea what to do with its own downtown area, so most of the true character has been torn down and replaced with a lot of glass, steel, and concrete: style over substance.

Jones and the team are largely a reflection of that; it's not really cause and effect, but just how things have turned out to this point.

So while changing the team to be more blue collar has merit, it would be interesting to see if the money crowd (season ticket buyers) would identify strongly with that approach.

Well I dont think these money people u speak of would mind seeing a low key defensively driven winning football team powered by its running game.

there are those people in the stadium, but in the last few years the stadium has been much more lively and those types of people seem to have been weeded out.

I dont know what will happen this year, but I dont think the team has to reflect the city, even though this is a city that turns its nose at everything blue collar.

 

[Quarterback Coach]

Dallas getting talent has not been an issue, I know all good picks someone is got them any bad pick that was Jerry. As for background Tex did not have much of a background when the Rams hired him as a public relations director

Tad bit different when your willing to hire Gil Brandt though...Jerry willing to do something like that?...doubt it....he has the answers.

 

[Alexander]

The problem is that Dallas is not exactly known as a blue collar city. It's been built on money of various kinds (oil, insurance, banking). It doesn't have a strong union presence in its industries (not that I favor it anyway).

The image it has around the country tends to reflect that; we're not viewed as a city with the labor background of a St. Louis, Cleveland, or Pittsburgh. And it has little idea what to do with its own downtown area, so most of the true character has been torn down and replaced with a lot of glass, steel, and concrete: style over substance.

Jones and the team are largely a reflection of that; it's not really cause and effect, but just how things have turned out to this point.

So while changing the team to be more blue collar has merit, it would be interesting to see if the money crowd (season ticket buyers) would identify strongly with that approach.

Excellent point and a highly intelligent post.

The only thing is I think there is a major blue collar element to Texas. Not necessarily Dallas.