Aaron ross

[CF74]

I don't. Why do we have to take a corner in the first? If I have to take one, it sure isn't going to be that one.

your choice sounds like it's based on school, not talent...:starspin

 

[Crown Royal]

your choice sounds like it's based on school, not talent...:starspin

No - my choice is based on I don't think he's a first round talent. My comment of schools in this thread is because UT fans seem to have a huge knack for overrating the talent on their team.

 

[Wolf2k5]

sorry that im a homer and all but i like UT. They can be the worst team but ill still like them an root for them. i watch there games and i like ross. houston is good player to i just dont think he would be there at 22. plus its not like they just hand out thorpe awards like candy on halloween. ive watched alot of the kid so call me bias if ya want. just thowin out the opinion

 

[jbsg02]

I'm a big horns fan, Ross isn't ready to be a starter. His potential is as good as anyone else in the draft, but to expect him to come into the NFL and start as a rookie when he only started his senior season is crazy

 

[neosapien23]

sorry that im a homer and all but i like UT. They can be the worst team but ill still like them an root for them. i watch there games and i like ross. houston is good player to i just dont think he would be there at 22. plus its not like they just hand out thorpe awards like candy on halloween. ive watched alot of the kid so call me bias if ya want. just thowin out the opinion

He is a great college player. If Ross ran a 4.4, I would take him over any CB. He is a ballhawk and puts himself in great position to grap the int. However running a 4.5 on a fast track is like running a 4.6 before the tracks became revamped to help college players run better times. I just think Ross will get burned too often if he plays CB in the NFL. I could see him going in the low first round and being converted to a FS. Sometimes players like Ross and Jammer make much better cover FS even though they want to play CB for the money.

 

[Crown Royal]

I'm a big horns fan, Ross isn't ready to be a starter. His potential is as good as anyone else in the draft, but to expect him to come into the NFL and start as a rookie when he only started his senior season is crazy

Pretty much what you said. I don't see the comparisons between he and Jammer. I can see ross being a round 2 value and easing him into the league, but he is going to need to spend a season or 2 with a position coach learning excellent techinique.

Not saying you have to have a starter in the first, but there is plenty of risk that Ross would never develop into a constant starter, so I don't see him that high.

 

[silverbear]

University of Texas.


No thanks.

Yeah, that's a good reason to pass on a good player...

Logic like that gives me a pretty fair idea where YOU went to college... LOL...

 

[speedkilz88]

He is a great college player. If Ross ran a 4.4, I would take him over any CB. He is a ballhawk and puts himself in great position to grap the int. However running a 4.5 on a fast track is like running a 4.6 before the tracks became revamped to help college players run better times. I just think Ross will get burned too often if he plays CB in the NFL. I could see him going in the low first round and being converted to a FS. Sometimes players like Ross and Jammer make much better cover FS even though they want to play CB for the money.

When I was watching the combine on nflnetwork they claimed Ross ran a 4.45, did they change it since then?(edit/I think it may have been 4.47 instead of 4.45)

 

[Crown Royal]

Yeah, that's a good reason to pass on a good player...

Keep reading the thread. I clarified. The post was more to the reason anyone would even consider this player in the first, not the ability of the player.

Logic like that gives me a pretty fair idea where YOU went to college... LOL...

Doubt it.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

No - my choice is based on I don't think he's a first round talent. My comment of schools in this thread is because UT fans seem to have a huge knack for overrating the talent on their team.

Hey, hey, hey, don't be bustin' on my 'Horns now. Vince and Roy don't look to overrated to me. Every school puts out greats, busts and tweeners.

 

[silverbear]

Aaron Ross reminds me of Derrick Johnson. Every UT fan thinks he might be the next big thing for defense in the league, only to fall short.

Yeah, DJ has REALLY fallen short...

He's "only" started 28 of the 29 games he played in, and in the 30th, he was coming back from having missed the two previous games, then he missed the following game... in that time, he's caused 4 fumbles, recovered 3...

I guess you expect players drafted 15th in a draft to be perennial Pro Bowlers... either that, or you just automatically start growling when confronted with anything related to the University of Texas...

All I know is, if we can get a solid starter at pick 22 this year, I'll be happy Bear...

As for Ross, I rather doubt he's gonna be the "next big thing for defense in the league", but I'm confident that he'll be a solid starter for some team for a number of years... but hey, why would the Cowboys NEED a good cornerback, right??

Particularly if he went to the University of Texas... can't EVER have the Cowboys getting players from one of the top college programs in the nation...

It's a wonder how they ever got so good, with all the LOUSY players they have...

Seriously, I wonder if you understand how RIDICULOUS it is for you to dismiss ever player who ever played for the Horns?? I can understand hatin' on the team, if you're an Aggie or a Bear or a Red Raider, etc., but it's kinda stupid if you can't even give them credit for having some really, really good players... I mean, as a Horns fan, naturally I have little use for the University of Oklahoma, but I'm REALLY happy we were able to get Roy from them...

 

[silverbear]

:laugh2:

Hook, line & sinker.

Oh, so you were just TROLLING...

I guess taking you seriously was my bad... I reckon all I can is file it away, make a mental note that you're not to be taken seriously...

 

[silverbear]

I don't. Why do we have to take a corner in the first? If I have to take one, it sure isn't going to be that one.

I see-- you don't know jack about the corners in this draft... which strongly suggests you don't know jack about Ross...

But you wouldn't take him, just because he's a Longhorn...

Gotcha...

Sure am glad you don't have anything to do with the personnel decisions out at Valley Ranch... you make Larry Lacewell look like a towering intellect...

 

[LowTech]

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[silverbear]

No - my choice is based on I don't think he's a first round talent.

This from the guy who, when asked what his preference would be at corner, answered that he really didn't know the draft-eligible corners...

My comment of schools in this thread is because UT fans seem to have a huge knack for overrating the talent on their team.

Hey, I'm a Horns fan, but when I make up my draft spreadsheet I don't allow personal preference to enter into the equation... nope, I make an effort to find out what the consensus among the better draft websites is to determine where a player "ought to" go...

And the consensus on Ross is that he's a late first/ early second round prospect... Justin Blalock is a likely first rounder who MIGHT slip to the second... Michael Griffin is rated about the same (and IMO, is overrated, he shouldn't be that high)... Tarell Brown is considered a 2nd or 3rd rounder... Kasey Studdard grades out as a 5th or 6th rounder at this point (and is not a player I'd draft), Lyle Sendlein in the same range...

Selvin Young and ex-Horn Ramonce Taylor are late round/free agent types, and the Boys should avoid them, too... Tim Crowder is a 2nd or 3rd round prospect, Brian Robison should go a round later... if you play the 3-4, you'd probably be better off with Robison, Crowder will be better in the 4-3...

Yes, I'm a Horns fan, and my ratings have NOTHING to do with that...

 

[Royal Laegotti]

This from the guy who, when asked what his preference would be at corner, answered that he really didn't know the draft-eligible corners...



Hey, I'm a Horns fan, but when I make up my draft spreadsheet I don't allow personal preference to enter into the equation... nope, I make an effort to find out what the consensus among the better draft websites is to determine where a player "ought to" go...

And the consensus on Ross is that he's a late first/ early second round prospect... Justin Blalock is a likely first rounder who MIGHT slip to the second... Michael Griffin is rated about the same (and IMO, is overrated, he shouldn't be that high)... Tarell Brown is considered a 2nd or 3rd rounder... Kasey Studdard grades out as a 5th or 6th rounder at this point (and is not a player I'd draft), Lyle Sendlein in the same range...

Selvin Young and ex-Horn Ramonce Taylor are late round/free agent types, and the Boys should avoid them, too... Tim Crowder is a 2nd or 3rd round prospect, Brian Robison should go a round later... if you play the 3-4, you'd probably be better off with Robison, Crowder will be better in the 4-3...

Yes, I'm a Horns fan, and my ratings have NOTHING to do with that...

Well it seems you've jammed up that telitubbie's signal.:laugh2:

 

[Crown Royal]

Yeah, DJ has REALLY fallen short...

He's "only" started 28 of the 29 games he played in, and in the 30th, he was coming back from having missed the two previous games, then he missed the following game... in that time, he's caused 4 fumbles, recovered 3...

I guess you expect players drafted 15th in a draft to be perennial Pro Bowlers... either that, or you just automatically start growling when confronted with anything related to the University of Texas...

Considering the UT fans who thought he was a better prospect than Ware or Merriman, or the fact that those same fans said that he was going to be a great one, yes, I would say he definitely has fallen short of their expectations.

All I know is, if we can get a solid starter at pick 22 this year, I'll be happy Bear...

As for Ross, I rather doubt he's gonna be the "next big thing for defense in the league", but I'm confident that he'll be a solid starter for some team for a number of years... but hey, why would the Cowboys NEED a good cornerback, right??

Particularly if he went to the University of Texas... can't EVER have the Cowboys getting players from one of the top college programs in the nation...

It's a wonder how they ever got so good, with all the LOUSY players they have...

Seriously, I wonder if you understand how RIDICULOUS it is for you to dismiss ever player who ever played for the Horns?? I can understand hatin' on the team, if you're an Aggie or a Bear or a Red Raider, etc., but it's kinda stupid if you can't even give them credit for having some really, really good players... I mean, as a Horns fan, naturally I have little use for the University of Oklahoma, but I'm REALLY happy we were able to get Roy from them...

Show me where I did that. I thought Cedric Benson was better than Ronnie Brown any day and 2 times on sunday. Roy Williams was the most sure fire WR in years. The Horns have had a mess of good interior DL for several drafts.

Show me also where I said that this homerism was exclusive to UT. I don't root for any college program other than TCU on occasion (no I didn't go there) and a few others I like around the country. I watch college football as I see it, usually not rooting for either team. But way to feel like I've picked on the school you like just because I did in this thread.

Ross might be a decent starter, but considering what I've seen of him in college (and I watched more UT games than any other single team last year), I think he is too risky to be taken at 22.

 

[Crown Royal]

Oh, so you were just TROLLING...

I guess taking you seriously was my bad... I reckon all I can is file it away, make a mental note that you're not to be taken seriously...

No. I compared this prospect to another defensive UT prospect from a few years ago. I compared them in the fact that the homers for the school inflated their ability as it might translate to the NFL.

And then that team's homer came in and tried to defend that LB who has not done what the UT fans said he would. It never fails.

I'm sorry it itches you so much that I pointed out UT fans do this so often. Would you prefer that I point out that there are OU fans who think that Brandon Everage would have played great NFL football, or that there are Aggie fans seriously thought that Reggie McNeil was a first rounder?

Oh I see - it's OK as long as I'm not talking about your team.

 

[Crown Royal]

I see-- you don't know jack about the corners in this draft... which strongly suggests you don't know jack about Ross...

But you wouldn't take him, just because he's a Longhorn...

Gotcha...

Sure am glad you don't have anything to do with the personnel decisions out at Valley Ranch... you make Larry Lacewell look like a towering intellect...

I see you misunderstood that response. 'I don't' - as in I don't have a suggestion of who we take at CB at that spot, as in I don't see value for a CB there. Ross isn't worth a first, as I've stated numerous times. As for other CBs, they all have their warts, I don't see it as a strong DB draft this year, and would prefer to go lineman. FWIW, I think Leon Hall will go too high.

 

[Crown Royal]

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