Aaron ross

[Crown Royal]

This from the guy who, when asked what his preference would be at corner, answered that he really didn't know the draft-eligible corners...

That's not what I said. Thanks for misquoting me. Reading > you.

Hey, I'm a Horns fan, but when I make up my draft spreadsheet I don't allow personal preference to enter into the equation... nope, I make an effort to find out what the consensus among the better draft websites is to determine where a player "ought to" go...

And the consensus on Ross is that he's a late first/ early second round prospect... Justin Blalock is a likely first rounder who MIGHT slip to the second... Michael Griffin is rated about the same (and IMO, is overrated, he shouldn't be that high)... Tarell Brown is considered a 2nd or 3rd rounder... Kasey Studdard grades out as a 5th or 6th rounder at this point (and is not a player I'd draft), Lyle Sendlein in the same range...

Selvin Young and ex-Horn Ramonce Taylor are late round/free agent types, and the Boys should avoid them, too... Tim Crowder is a 2nd or 3rd round prospect, Brian Robison should go a round later... if you play the 3-4, you'd probably be better off with Robison, Crowder will be better in the 4-3...

Yes, I'm a Horns fan, and my ratings have NOTHING to do with that...

Good. Then you aren't ridiculous. For what it's worth, I think Blalock will make a good player for the right team.

 

[silverbear]

That's not what I said. Thanks for misquoting me. Reading > you.

El Dudarino asked, in response to your intellectual post saying "University of Texas. No Thanks":

aside from the non-factor of school preferences, what other recommendation do you have for corner?

To which you responded:

I don't. Why do we have to take a corner in the first?

Except nobody said anything about the first round, he asked you which corners you liked, period...

Your nonresponse was your tacit admission that you don't much, if anything, about this year's cornerbacks... which makes your feeble dismissal of Ross an expression of your bias, rather than being based on anything substantive...

Clearly, you're attempting to imply that UT = not worth drafting, though you made some effort in this post to dispel that image...

So now, I'll simply ask for your specific criticisms of Aaron Ross, beyond him wearing burnt orange in college... do you HAVE an specific criticisms, or was it just another mindless anti-Horns diatribe??



Good. Then you aren't ridiculous. For what it's worth, I think Blalock will make a good player for the right team.[/QUOTE]

 

[silverbear]

Considering the UT fans who thought he was a better prospect than Ware or Merriman,

Gee, I don't EVER remember Ware's or Merriman's name coming up during the predraft debates about DJ... perhaps that's because they weren't draft-eligible until the following year...

Beyond that, any comparison between Johnson and those two would be asinine to begin with, given that the former is a pure 4-3 OLB, while the other two are 3-4 "tweeners", whose main responsibility is (or should be) rushing the passer...

Johnson wouldn't be worth a hammered crap doing what Ware and Merriman do, and Ware and Merriman wouldn't get CLOSE to a Pro Bowl if they were called on to play Johnson's role...

No sir, I don't recall anybody comparing DJ to those two...

Show me where I did that. I thought Cedric Benson was better than Ronnie Brown any day and 2 times on sunday. Roy Williams was the most sure fire WR in years. The Horns have had a mess of good interior DL for several drafts.

OK, perhaps I was too quick to judge you, but in my defense, just saying "University of Texas. No Thanks" sure does SOUND like just another mindless Horns hater, doesn't it?? I mean, you offered NO other reasons for not wanting him until challenged, so it's not my fault if YOU created the impression that I called you out for...

But way to feel like I've picked on the school you like just because I did in this thread.

"University of Texas. No Thanks"... yeah, how could I EVER have thought you were "picking on the school I like"...

Ross might be a decent starter, but considering what I've seen of him in college (and I watched more UT games than any other single team last year), I think he is too risky to be taken at 22.

Ahhh, but that's not what you SAID at first, is it?? Nope, that would have been a reasonable argument, indeed one that I'd probably basically agree with...

Nope, to refresh your memory, the ONLY reason you gave when I jumped into this little debate was "University of Texas"... happily, by giving you some grief about it, I was able to drag out of you the REAL reasons for your aversion to going after Ross at pick 22... and lo and behold, it's a reason I don't really have much of a problem with... I wouldn't squawk if the Boys went that way at 22, but if that's who they want, I'd rather see them trade down a bit first...

 

[silverbear]

No. I compared this prospect to another defensive UT prospect from a few years ago. I compared them in the fact that the homers for the school inflated their ability as it might translate to the NFL.

And you said "hook, line and sinker", which is claiming that you were just throwing out BAIT...

You might be tapdancing just as fast as you can now to distract us from that, but those were your words, and you knew what they meant when you typed them...

And that, son, is trolling...

 

[DragonCowboy]

Isn't the purple teletubbie the one thats you know............awwwww............




carries a purse

The scariest thing about this...

how do you know it carries a purse?

 

[bbgun]

Gee, I don't EVER remember Ware's or Merriman's name coming up during the predraft debates about DJ... perhaps that's because they weren't draft-eligible until the following year...

Oh really? Then why were all three selected in the first round of the 2005 draft? Time to put your tail between your legs and shuffle off.

 

[silverbear]

Oh really? Then why were all three selected in the first round of the 2005 draft? Time to put your tail between your legs and shuffle off.

Naw, time to get some sleep... LOL...

But hey, are you "stalking" me??

 

[burmafrd]

DJ certainly has not SHINED as many thought he would.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

neosapian, what are you talking about? Ross ran 2 times at the Combine, a 4.42, and a 4.48, so he ran an official 4.45, and ran a 4.15 short-shuttle and 6.72 3-cone, pretty good

edit: and Ross is 6 foot, 193, a 4.45 is a good time for that type of measurment

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm a big Horns fan but I have some major doubts about Ross in the 1st rd. The guy gets out of position too often and gambles quite a bit and has given up some big plays while at Texas

 

[Da Hammer]

Johnson has not been a disappointment either IMO. He hasnt been a pro-bowler but considering that other than Johnson, Law, and Allen there isnt much talent there well i would say Johnson has done a very good job. Put him on our D and i guarantee that he is a star!!!!!!

 

[burmafrd]

DJ was over rated at the time and it shows.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think DJ has played well. I mean, it's stupid to compare him to OLBs in a 34. In a 34, your SOLB is the star of the defense. In a 43, the Will is a guy who runs around making tackles and covering. DJ has done well in this capacity for KC. He's not going to be the guy who gets all the headlines because he isn't playing a glamour position but that doesn't mean he isn't doing well. That's crazy talk IMO.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Since when has Texas produced good NFL DB's?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Since when has Texas produced good NFL DB's?

Your kidding right?

 

[silverbear]

Since when has Texas produced good NFL DB's?

Yeah, Nathan Vasher SUCKS...

 

[conner01]

i think atleast one of these 3 will be there at 22 and i would take them in this order
houston
revis
ross
i don't see any of the 3 starting though. the key reason to get a cb in rnd one is they are good talent and glenn is out of here next year and henry is 30. i don't see us taking a starter in this draft myself. that doesnt mean they won't play but i just don't see a starter getting drafted by this team. but look how much time reeves played last year so the cb will play but not start

 

[calico]

Your kidding right?

seriously



Vasher was one guy I was desperate for Dallas to get a few years ago and almost everyone here was trashing him just like they are Ross right now.

Ross is very rough right now but he plays very well in press coverage and has a nose for making plays. I think he will be a great player in a few years but he needs some good coaching.

 

[YosemiteSam]

First off, I have no problem drafting a cornor. I do however have issue drafting a cornor just to move Henry to safety. We have Watkins whom I think will make a pretty damn good free safety when all is said and done. He is long and rangy and has speed. I think without question Watkins will be our starting free safety by the end of next year (if not from the start) or the year after at the lastest. The only way I see that not happening is if we draft a safety like Landry if for some psychotic reason he drops to #22 or we trade up to grab him.

Looking at the board, I think I would take Meachem or Houston at this point. If I drafted Houston it will be as a future replacement for Henry not to move Henry to safety.

As for running backs, I would never draft a running back in the first round unless he was something very special (Peterson, Bush, Sanders type running back) Lynch wouldn't really even be on the radar. While I think he is good, he isn't RB first round material in my book.

 

[dogberry]

Hudson with the Jets and Bradley with the Iggles. Go Horns.