Acceptable Substitutes

[Verdict]

When a player is negotiating to be resigned (any position) you have to consider lots of factors, including the ability of the player, the percentage of cap that player will use up, etc. But another factor that should be considered in resigning a player should be “what acceptable substitutes” are available and at what cap cost.

Over paying Dak may be a bad idea, but when you look at the acceptable substitutes are available it tends to be somewhat scarce at the QB position.

That’s not the case at WR. If we pay Amari $20m per year he is NOT twice the WR that Parker (Dophins) is who makes half of that. There are always a lot of good receivers available and you can even find a really good one even later on in the draft.

Paying Dak may be a mistake, but the options there ARE limited. The options are not as limited at WR. In fact I think keeping Byron over Cooper might have been a better move.

That all remains to be seen. I’m just saying that Cooper’s leverage is a lot less than Dak has. I would save the cap room, and flip Cooper for picks. Then again I would have done the same thing with Tank.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

When a player is negotiating to be resigned (any position) you have to consider lots of factors, including the ability of the player, the percentage of cap that player will use up, etc. But another factor that should be considered in resigning a player should be “what acceptable substitutes” are available and at what cap cost.

Over paying Dak may be a bad idea, but when you look at the acceptable substitutes are available it tends to be somewhat scarce at the QB position.

That’s not the case at WR. If we pay Amari $20m per year he is NOT twice the WR that Parker (Dophins) is who makes half of that. There are always a lot of good receivers available and you can even find a really good one even later on in the draft.

Paying Dak may be a mistake, but the options there ARE limited. The options are not as limited at WR. In fact I think keeping Byron over Cooper might have been a better move.

That all remains to be seen. I’m just saying that Cooper’s leverage is a lot less than Dak has. I would save the cap room, and flip Cooper for picks. Then again I would have done the same thing with Tank.

I think what you are pointing to is having the right combination of players to lead to playoffs and superbowl...Cooper may not be twice the WR, but we can't compare stats and dollars as those two are calculated independently...for example what will parker bring to the table? how many wins will he result in, the difference is usually the top 10% vs, the other 90% and the salaries may be twice/three times as large for top 10% vs. the rest.

 

[Ranched]

Over paying Dak may be a bad idea, but when you look at the acceptable substitutes are available it tends to be somewhat scarce at the QB position.

There's isn't a quarterback in the league that isn't overpaid. However, should Dak go down, say good-bye to the season. Let the hater's cheer for Rush and post us his stats, (including playoffs) at the end of the season. It will be dazzling!

 

[Stash]

When a player is negotiating to be resigned (any position) you have to consider lots of factors, including the ability of the player, the percentage of cap that player will use up, etc. But another factor that should be considered in resigning a player should be “what acceptable substitutes” are available and at what cap cost.

Over paying Dak may be a bad idea, but when you look at the acceptable substitutes are available it tends to be somewhat scarce at the QB position.

That’s not the case at WR. If we pay Amari $20m per year he is NOT twice the WR that Parker (Dophins) is who makes half of that. There are always a lot of good receivers available and you can even find a really good one even later on in the draft.

Paying Dak may be a mistake, but the options there ARE limited. The options are not as limited at WR. In fact I think keeping Byron over Cooper might have been a better move.

That all remains to be seen. I’m just saying that Cooper’s leverage is a lot less than Dak has. I would save the cap room, and flip Cooper for picks. Then again I would have done the same thing with Tank.

How are you 'flipping an unrestricted free agent for picks'?

 

[Reid1boys]

When a player is negotiating to be resigned (any position) you have to consider lots of factors, including the ability of the player, the percentage of cap that player will use up, etc. But another factor that should be considered in resigning a player should be “what acceptable substitutes” are available and at what cap cost.

Over paying Dak may be a bad idea, but when you look at the acceptable substitutes are available it tends to be somewhat scarce at the QB position.

That’s not the case at WR. If we pay Amari $20m per year he is NOT twice the WR that Parker (Dophins) is who makes half of that. There are always a lot of good receivers available and you can even find a really good one even later on in the draft.

Paying Dak may be a mistake, but the options there ARE limited. The options are not as limited at WR. In fact I think keeping Byron over Cooper might have been a better move.

That all remains to be seen. I’m just saying that Cooper’s leverage is a lot less than Dak has. I would save the cap room, and flip Cooper for picks. Then again I would have done the same thing with Tank.

How could you flip cooper for picks when we dont own his rights? He is about to become an unrestricted free agent and then can do whatever he wants.

 

[Stash]

I think what you are pointing to is having the right combination of players to lead to playoffs and superbowl...Cooper may not be twice the WR, but we can't compare stats and dollars as those two are calculated independently...for example what will parker bring to the table? how many wins will he result in, the difference is usually the top 10% vs, the other 90% and the salaries may be twice/three times as large for top 10% vs. the rest.

I don't get the Parker comp at all. Prior to this season, he was considered a bust. Revisionist history at work to make a weak case in my opinion.

 

[Stash]

How could you flip cooper for picks when we dont own his rights? He is about to become an unrestricted free agent and then can do whatever he wants.

There's so much wrong in this thread.

If you don't want to re-sign Cooper, that's fine. But have valid reasons and make a better case as to why. This ain't it.

 

[Reid1boys]

There's so much wrong in this thread.

If you don't want to re-sign Cooper, that's fine. But have valid reasons and make a better case as to why. This ain't it.

In addition, you better remember that we gave up a 1st to get cooper. That certainly plays into this. You dont give up a 1st for what, 22 or so games and then not resign the guy that has played clearly like a number 1 pick is supposed to play.

 

[Rockport]

When a player is negotiating to be resigned (any position) you have to consider lots of factors, including the ability of the player, the percentage of cap that player will use up, etc. But another factor that should be considered in resigning a player should be “what acceptable substitutes” are available and at what cap cost.

Over paying Dak may be a bad idea, but when you look at the acceptable substitutes are available it tends to be somewhat scarce at the QB position.

That’s not the case at WR. If we pay Amari $20m per year he is NOT twice the WR that Parker (Dophins) is who makes half of that. There are always a lot of good receivers available and you can even find a really good one even later on in the draft.

Paying Dak may be a mistake, but the options there ARE limited. The options are not as limited at WR. In fact I think keeping Byron over Cooper might have been a better move.

That all remains to be seen. I’m just saying that Cooper’s leverage is a lot less than Dak has. I would save the cap room, and flip Cooper for picks. Then again I would have done the same thing with Tank.

Let’s flip Dez for some picks while we’re at it.

 

[Stash]

In addition, you better remember that we gave up a 1st to get cooper. That certainly plays into this. You dont give up a 1st for what, 22 or so games and then not resign the guy that has played clearly like a number 1 pick is supposed to play.

That's the biggest factor to me, and something I consider to be a huge mistake. You gave all negotiating leverage to the player and agent when you made that trade. Now you're stuck. Pay him what it takes and learn your lesson to never do it again.

Other teams have actually made even worse mistakes like the Texans and Rams giving up two #1 picks for Tunsil and Ramsey. Watch how they get bent over and those two please reset the market at their respective positions.

It's crazy to me that some people are actually talking about letting Cooper walk and using the #17 overall pick on yet another receiver! So their plan is to use two consecutive 1st round picks on one rookie receiver and hope that he develops into one as good as Cooper? Some kind of plan...

 

[Jenky]

When a player is negotiating to be resigned (any position) you have to consider lots of factors, including the ability of the player, the percentage of cap that player will use up, etc. But another factor that should be considered in resigning a player should be “what acceptable substitutes” are available and at what cap cost.

Over paying Dak may be a bad idea, but when you look at the acceptable substitutes are available it tends to be somewhat scarce at the QB position.

That’s not the case at WR. If we pay Amari $20m per year he is NOT twice the WR that Parker (Dophins) is who makes half of that. There are always a lot of good receivers available and you can even find a really good one even later on in the draft.

Paying Dak may be a mistake, but the options there ARE limited. The options are not as limited at WR. In fact I think keeping Byron over Cooper might have been a better move.

That all remains to be seen. I’m just saying that Cooper’s leverage is a lot less than Dak has. I would save the cap room, and flip Cooper for picks. Then again I would have done the same thing with Tank.

Interesting, you cite Devante Parker who has only had 1 good year and is an older receiver than Cooper. I don't know if Cooper is "twice the player" Parker is, but I do know he has been more consistent throughout his career. I would not make the mistake of getting a player like Parker and paying him. The Jags paid both Allen Hurns and Allen Robinson after 1 good season each. Where are they now? Robinson is the only one I would consider as being decent and they both got paid.

 

[MyFairLady]

Pay him what it takes and learn your lesson to never do it again.

The problem is we do not learn from the mistakes. Over and over and over we have sunk massive resourced unnecessarily into the WR position for very little return. Jerruh pays the gang like they are all his kids. They get the honey pot no matter what cause Daddy just can't say no even though he knows it is the right thing to do. He is weak and stupid like Fredo.

 

[charron]

When a player is negotiating to be resigned (any position) you have to consider lots of factors, including the ability of the player, the percentage of cap that player will use up, etc. But another factor that should be considered in resigning a player should be “what acceptable substitutes” are available and at what cap cost.

Over paying Dak may be a bad idea, but when you look at the acceptable substitutes are available it tends to be somewhat scarce at the QB position.

That’s not the case at WR. If we pay Amari $20m per year he is NOT twice the WR that Parker (Dophins) is who makes half of that. There are always a lot of good receivers available and you can even find a really good one even later on in the draft.

Paying Dak may be a mistake, but the options there ARE limited. The options are not as limited at WR. In fact I think keeping Byron over Cooper might have been a better move.

That all remains to be seen. I’m just saying that Cooper’s leverage is a lot less than Dak has. I would save the cap room, and flip Cooper for picks. Then again I would have done the same thing with Tank.

That is how we should look at every player. Can i turn x player into multiple impact or role players? Can we duplicate x players production another way? Etc.

 

[dckid]

When a player is negotiating to be resigned (any position) you have to consider lots of factors, including the ability of the player, the percentage of cap that player will use up, etc. But another factor that should be considered in resigning a player should be “what acceptable substitutes” are available and at what cap cost.

Over paying Dak may be a bad idea, but when you look at the acceptable substitutes are available it tends to be somewhat scarce at the QB position.

That’s not the case at WR. If we pay Amari $20m per year he is NOT twice the WR that Parker (Dophins) is who makes half of that. There are always a lot of good receivers available and you can even find a really good one even later on in the draft.

Paying Dak may be a mistake, but the options there ARE limited. The options are not as limited at WR. In fact I think keeping Byron over Cooper might have been a better move.

That all remains to be seen. I’m just saying that Cooper’s leverage is a lot less than Dak has. I would save the cap room, and flip Cooper for picks. Then again I would have done the same thing with Tank.

I would have to say I disagree. If Cooper hits the open market he will become instantly the top Free agent. Teams will pay him whatever he wants.
To me he is a higher priority than Dak. I am happy to sign Keenum and then find someone else. Don't go crazy over Dak, let someone else pay him the big money.

 

[Stash]

The problem is we do not learn from the mistakes. Over and over and over we have sunk massive resourced unnecessarily into the WR position for very little return. Jerruh pays the gang like they are all his kids. They get the honey pot no matter what cause Daddy just can't say no even though he knows it is the right thing to do. He is weak and stupid like Fredo.

It looks to me like Jerry always feels that having and paying his 'Triplets' is the only way to win a championship. Whether they're actually worthy of the costs or not, Jerry does his best to keep that triumvirate in place no matter what.

He's paid his running back already and I expect the other two to get serious bank as well. He's just got to have that trio together no matter what.

 

[Ranching]

There's isn't a quarterback in the league that isn't overpaid. However, should Dak go down, say good-bye to the season. Let the hater's cheer for Rush and post us his stats, (including playoffs) at the end of the season. It will be dazzling!

Dak goes down? That would be bad.

 

[phildadon86]

There's so much wrong in this thread.

If you don't want to re-sign Cooper, that's fine. But have valid reasons and make a better case as to why. This ain't it.

Yeah like for example this is the deepest WR draft in a very long time.

 

[phildadon86]

Dak goes down? That would be bad.

Not according to some here. It would be a blessing in disguise because then we would get to witness what a better qb in Rush can bring to the table.

 

[Stash]

Yeah like for example this is the deepest WR draft in a very long time.

Where would you draft one? Even as "deep" as it is?

 

[Ranching]

Not according to some here. It would be a blessing in disguise because then we would get to witness what a better qb in Rush can bring to the table.

Kellan Moore will take off his headsets and put on the helmet!