Adding a corner in the draft

[Jake]

Considering the draft capital spent on them, they should at least get their 3 years normally reserved for draft picks before they get tossed aside.

That wouldn't stop me from bringing another one in this year. If they fail to impress in year 3, and you have 2 expiring contracts, that leaves a lot of holes in 2024.

 

[rambo2]

I keep seeing people put corner as a need but I don’t understand how. It’s certainly a nice to have for the future but it’s a headache for today.

1. Diggs
2. Gilmore
3. Bland
4. Mukuamu
5. Lewis
6. Wright
7. Joseph
8. Goodwin

Who are you cutting, and what opportunities are you giving a rookie to develop? And if we are adding a DB, wouldn’t you rather a safety that can play single high if Hooker gets injured (also in his last year). It’s the one position we don’t have cover for in our secondary.

Joseph is the one that should be cut unless he has a big improvement in camp.

 

[rambo2]

We probably do need one because Gillmore is on a 1 year deal and Diggs look like he could be a problem in getting him to sign a new contract.

 

[DanA]

All these people saying cut Joseph....sure maybe that's where it's heading. It's not something I'm taking off the table but to get down to six you'd have to cut all of Wright, Joseph and Lewis.

Gilmore and Lewis gone next season.

Not certain if Mukuamu really staying at CB. They schemed to make it easy for home to play Nickel CB for the last 2 games. He'll have to prove himself at CB.

Some talk that Wright might move to Safety.

Nobody is going to count on Joseph until he proves something.

Goodwin is not an option at CB. In 5 years in Dallas he has played 42 total snaps on defense. Zero in the past 2 seasons.

Next year is next year. We saw us lose Ridgeway last season because we had too many bodies at DT. How do we avoid that at DB? Because however you categorize Goodwin, he still counts on the 53-man roster.

 

[DanA]

We probably do need one because Gillmore is on a 1 year deal and Diggs look like he could be a problem in getting him to sign a new contract.

Next off-season we'll likely have:

• Bland
• Mukuamu
• Wilson
• Joseph

At that stage, we can pull the pin on Wilson and Joseph if they haven't kicked on, it feels too early right now. I think we target re-signing at least one of Gilmore or Diggs (or franchise tag as a bridge) and maybe even double-dip in the draft. It's an issue that needs attention and consideration for how to tackle it needs to be made but I feel like that's achievable without addressing it right now.

 

[Jumbo075]

You can only afford to pay CeeDee or Diggs. You cannot afford to pay them both. You will be paying Parsons for sure. If a top WR falls, you take him and look forward to dumping CeeDee. If a top corner falls, you take him, and look forward to dumping Diggs.

 

[Cebrin]

I keep seeing people put corner as a need but I don’t understand how. It’s certainly a nice to have for the future but it’s a headache for today.

1. Diggs
2. Gilmore
3. Bland
4. Mukuamu
5. Lewis
6. Wright
7. Joseph
8. Goodwin

Who are you cutting, and what opportunities are you giving a rookie to develop? And if we are adding a DB, wouldn’t you rather a safety that can play single high if Hooker gets injured (also in his last year). It’s the one position we don’t have cover for in our secondary.

Did we watch the same 2022? We should definitely draft one, because Joseph is at 7, and was supposed to fill the void we hit last season.

The only thing he filled was a bench seat, and his Twitter account.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I keep seeing people put corner as a need but I don’t understand how. It’s certainly a nice to have for the future but it’s a headache for today.

1. Diggs
2. Gilmore
3. Bland
4. Mukuamu
5. Lewis
6. Wright
7. Joseph
8. Goodwin

Who are you cutting, and what opportunities are you giving a rookie to develop? And if we are adding a DB, wouldn’t you rather a safety that can play single high if Hooker gets injured (also in his last year). It’s the one position we don’t have cover for in our secondary.

Mukuamu is a S. Him going back to S is pure speculation. Lewis is tradeable and Wright and Joseph both probably should be cut. There really isn't that much of a crunch

 

[DanA]

Mukuamu is a S. Him going back to S is pure speculation. Lewis is tradeable and Wright and Joseph both probably should be cut. There really isn't that much of a crunch

He certainly wasn’t a traditional strong safety, nor playing single high. He did a lot of corner like things even if he is correctly classified as a safety.

And it’s kind of a moot point. We ideally carry 10 db’s rather than 13 or 14.

 

[DanA]

You can only afford to pay CeeDee or Diggs. You cannot afford to pay them both. You will be paying Parsons for sure. If a top WR falls, you take him and look forward to dumping CeeDee. If a top corner falls, you take him, and look forward to dumping Diggs.

How do you come to that conclusion? We are 50m under the expected cap now before the annual restructures. There’s a 1,000 ways to allocate the salary cap. You might not see it as the best path but I wouldn’t be so absolute, it certainly can be done.

Let’s not forget Ceedee and Parsons have 5th year options and you could probably franchise Parsons twice. He’s certainly good enough that if you can’t come to a deal it’s worth it.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I keep seeing people put corner as a need but I don’t understand how. It’s certainly a nice to have for the future but it’s a headache for today.

1. Diggs
2. Gilmore
3. Bland
4. Mukuamu
5. Lewis
6. Wright
7. Joseph
8. Goodwin

Who are you cutting, and what opportunities are you giving a rookie to develop? And if we are adding a DB, wouldn’t you rather a safety that can play single high if Hooker gets injured (also in his last year). It’s the one position we don’t have cover for in our secondary.

I like our secondary. I like our corners and we have depth.

In the secondary, me gridiron misfits, we should lose Fatman Boss YKDV.
He has "plateaued" as in "Game Show"


Diggs is the anchor. If the chap can't handle it, Kearse is secondary's leader.

 

[CowboyoWales]

The whole starting secondary is in a contract year except Dono at SS.

Gilmore maybe 1 and done.
Diggs contract battle.
Lewis last year of his deal.
Bland is solid.
Wright is decent imo, but could be cut.
KJ could be cut.
Mukuamu can play anywhere, so he could fill a Safety role depends on Coaches.

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Yep and looking at the free agents around the whole Secondary.....after next season:
Gilmore
Diggs
Lewis
Kearse
Hooper

This is a similar argument to the "we dont need a TE".....you always need talent and you can always improve. May well not be first couple of days, but later days ala Mukuamu/Bland, that type of flex-secondary that we like.

 

[CowboyoWales]

You can only afford to pay CeeDee or Diggs. You cannot afford to pay them both. You will be paying Parsons for sure. If a top WR falls, you take him and look forward to dumping CeeDee. If a top corner falls, you take him, and look forward to dumping Diggs.

The knack is to spread the years in which the contracts are signed, get the cheaper CAP hit in YR1 (and spread the signing bonus). What damages this is when/if a player holds out and we have to Franchise Tag them ( Diggs Franchise Tag hit in 2024 is projected as $20.4m).

Diggs contract negotiations is a concern, especially now as teams wont be able to ignore his side and focus on CB2 = his INT numbers will rise.

We'll draft at least one Safety/CB hybrids to develop.

 

[jazzcat22]

Gilmore and Lewis gone next season.

Not certain if Mukuamu really staying at CB. They schemed to make it easy for home to play Nickel CB for the last 2 games. He'll have to prove himself at CB.

Some talk that Wright might move to Safety.

Nobody is going to count on Joseph until he proves something.

Goodwin is not an option at CB. In 5 years in Dallas he has played 42 total snaps on defense. Zero in the past 2 seasons.

I keep waiting for them to cut Goodwin. He holds a roster spot just for ST's. He is good, but is he that good of a difference maker to retain a poster spot again. At what point is he a progress stopper for a young CB with potential.
He is useless at CB.

 

[jazzcat22]

All these people saying cut Joseph....sure maybe that's where it's heading. It's not something I'm taking off the table but to get down to six you'd have to cut all of Wright, Joseph and Lewis.



Next year is next year. We saw us lose Ridgeway last season because we had too many bodies at DT. How do we avoid that at DB? Because however you categorize Goodwin, he still counts on the 53-man roster.

Correct, Joesph will not be a cut candidate until the cut to 53. He will be at last a camp body to give him another chance to show improvement.

 

[Flamma]

I keep seeing people put corner as a need but I don’t understand how. It’s certainly a nice to have for the future but it’s a headache for today.

1. Diggs
2. Gilmore
3. Bland
4. Mukuamu
5. Lewis
6. Wright
7. Joseph
8. Goodwin

Who are you cutting, and what opportunities are you giving a rookie to develop? And if we are adding a DB, wouldn’t you rather a safety that can play single high if Hooker gets injured (also in his last year). It’s the one position we don’t have cover for in our secondary.

I don't think a CB or WR will be picked in the first two days. That isn't to say a situation couldn't arise where one of them is a clear choice. Just not their intention going in. I believe they think they have that covered through trades.

 

[charron]

You cut 5 or 6. 7 has talent if his mind gets right, 8 is ST player mostly anyway

 

[morasp]

I'm probably in the minority but if he's past his off field issues I hope they continue to develop Joseph. It used to be you gave a player three years to show something. He has talent and was extremely raw when they picked him.

Strengths

• Prototypical build as an outside corner with size and length.
• Full of confidence and a little bit of edge.
• Fires stiff punch to hinder release from press.
• Diligent to crowd catch space when running vertical with targets.
• Held up against Alabama with an INT and two incompletions on three targets.
• Displayed ball skills with soft, natural hands.
• Consistent in finding his high-point timing.
• Sudden burst to fly into passing lanes and play the throw.
• Readily accepts challenges of run support.
• Latch-on tackler with aggressive finish.

Weaknesses

• Highly inexperienced with more reps needed for development.
• Suspended for LSU bowl game at end of 2018 season.
• Completely unnecessary personal fouls against Auburn and Florida.
• Feet are a little jittery and uncertain from press.
• Tall backpedal with a hitch when opening to sprint.
• Gives in way too quickly to route fakes.
• Doesn't find the football near the goal line.
• Fails to read receiver and phase the route.
• Gives away too much separation to quality route runners.

 

[Bullflop]

Admittedly, the need for another CB in 2022 wasn't a desperate one, however the fact that it didn't bode well for the future was quite obvious. I'm reasonably sure that we're going to make CB one of our picks in the first half of the upcoming draft. Let's hope it works out well. Let's face the fact that Kelvin Joseph was simply a desperate replacement for the CB that we had missed and drafted him in desperation. Now, were still looking.

 

[calicowboy54]

I keep seeing people put corner as a need but I don’t understand how. It’s certainly a nice to have for the future but it’s a headache for today.

1. Diggs
2. Gilmore
3. Bland
4. Mukuamu
5. Lewis
6. Wright
7. Joseph
8. Goodwin

Who are you cutting, and what opportunities are you giving a rookie to develop? And if we are adding a DB, wouldn’t you rather a safety that can play single high if Hooker gets injured (also in his last year). It’s the one position we don’t have cover for in our secondary.

yes i would rather a FS that can roam the deep half. i like the kid out of Syracuse university brown in middle rounds of the draft.
https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Sydney-Brown-DB-Illinois