Adding a draft pick in 2019

[xwalker]

The Cowboys are without a 1st round pick.

Their 1st pick is a late 2nd (26th pick in the 2nd).

It would be difficult to add a 1st in 2019 but adding another pick in the top 75 would help offset not having a 1st.

What if they trade a 2020 2nd and a 2019 4th for a an early 3rd (#66) ?

It would be a smaller impact to not have a 2nd than to not have a 1st.

They could then trade #58 and #66 to move up in the 2nd or possibly late 1st or #90 and #66 for #50.

Trade Chart
#58 + #66 = 580 points
#32 = 590 points

OR

#90 + #66 = 400 points
#50 = 400 points

The Raiders almost have too many picks in 2019:
First No. 4
First No. 24 (from Bears)
First No. 27 (from Cowboys)
Second No. 35
Third No. 66
Fourth No. 106
Fifth No. 141
Sixth No. 196
Seventh No. 218
Seventh No. 235 (from Seahawks)

 

[LatinMind]

i think they will add a pick late by trading lewis

 

[Hardline]

We need to be stockpiling draft picks,Not losing them.

 

[Jipper]

they will be trading a defensive player for a pick...id bet on it....and it will either be lewis, lawernce or jones....

 

[Nightman]

The Cowboys are without a 1st round pick.

Their 1st pick is a late 2nd (26th pick in the 2nd).

It would be difficult to add a 1st in 2019 but adding another pick in the top 75 would help offset not having a 1st.

What if they trade a 2020 2nd and a 2019 4th for a an early 3rd (#66) ?

It would be a smaller impact to not have a 2nd than to not have a 1st.

They could then trade #58 and #66 to move up in the 2nd or possibly late 1st or #90 and #66 for #50.

Trade Chart
#58 + #66 = 580 points
#32 = 590 points

OR

#90 + #66 = 400 points
#50 = 400 points

The Raiders almost have too many picks in 2019:
First No. 4
First No. 24 (from Bears)
First No. 27 (from Cowboys)
Second No. 35
Third No. 66
Fourth No. 106
Fifth No. 141
Sixth No. 196
Seventh No. 218
Seventh No. 235 (from Seahawks)

I would rather trade our 2020 1st for #35 with OAK

 

[northerncowboynation]

The Cowboys are without a 1st round pick.

Their 1st pick is a late 2nd (26th pick in the 2nd).

It would be difficult to add a 1st in 2019 but adding another pick in the top 75 would help offset not having a 1st.

What if they trade a 2020 2nd and a 2019 4th for a an early 3rd (#66) ?

It would be a smaller impact to not have a 2nd than to not have a 1st.

They could then trade #58 and #66 to move up in the 2nd or possibly late 1st or #90 and #66 for #50.

Trade Chart
#58 + #66 = 580 points
#32 = 590 points

OR

#90 + #66 = 400 points
#50 = 400 points

The Raiders almost have too many picks in 2019:
First No. 4
First No. 24 (from Bears)
First No. 27 (from Cowboys)
Second No. 35
Third No. 66
Fourth No. 106
Fifth No. 141
Sixth No. 196
Seventh No. 218
Seventh No. 235 (from Seahawks)

Wow, my head is spinning now. too many what if's

 

[Techsass]

A lot depends on what Oakland thinks we'll do this season. Gruden probably feels slightly burned by the Amari trade. I bet he thought he was getting something much closer to pick 15 at the time of the deal.

Point wise it sounds good, but I'd keep all of my early picks to rebuild if I were them.

 

[DasSchnitzel]

This is what I've been thinking:

If we use next years 1st to get into this year's 1st round, then that's a total wash. That component of the trade cancels out, its just kicking the impact of the Cooper trade down the road 1 year.

So in such a trade all you lose is the additional juice that made the deal happen, but that damage could be minimized. For example, a 3rd round pick might be made back with a comp pick reward. Or you could use Jourdan Lewis since he never sees the field.

Ever since Dane Brugler mentioned a similar idea I have been beating the drum for trading next years 1st (no big deal, just delaying the Cooper trade), jourdan Lewis (no big deal, barely sees the field by coach decision), and this years 2nd (no big deal, quite likely a DT anyway) to move up and get Oliver.

 

[EST_1986]

I would rather trade our 2020 1st for #35 with OAK

Just for the sake of trading or what

 

[Techsass]

This is what I've been thinking:

If we use next years 1st to get into this year's 1st round, then that's a total wash. That component of the trade cancels out, its just kicking the impact of the Cooper trade down the road 1 year.

So in such a trade all you lose is the additional juice that made the deal happen, but that damage could be minimized. For example, a 3rd round pick might be made back with a comp pick reward. Or you could use Jourdan Lewis since he never sees the field.

Ever since Dane Brugler mentioned a similar idea I have been beating the drum for trading next years 1st (no big deal, just delaying the Cooper trade), jourdan Lewis (no big deal, barely sees the field by coach decision), and this years 2nd (no big deal, quite likely a DT anyway) to move up and get Oliver.

I was incredulous until I read the last line.

 

[Angus12]

What if they trade a 2020 2nd and a 2019 4th for a an early 3rd (#66) ?

Then next year, we could have a thread titled, Adding a Draft Pick in 2020.

No thanks. We got our first round pick this year early. Keep what we have, pick good players there, and don't look to play Madden by figuring out ways to trade picks just to trade picks.

I hate trading up, unless somebody that fits us perfectly has unexpectedly fallen into striking range. Even then, I don't really like it, but understand it. If anything, I'd rather trade down some and stockpile picks if the chance arises.

 

[jazzcat22]

We already traded away a 2020 6th, and from the way it looks right now, we will not get any comp picks in 2020.
If anything we need to accumulate picks, not trade them away.

They aren’t players in FA, so they must jave draft Picks.
Cooper trade was different and was needed and proved to be well worth it. But giving up another #1 and a 2 or 3, no way. Unless they feel that player is that guy to win them a SB. And not many rookies other than a rope 5 may be able to do that.

Swapping picks and include a player may be ok though.

 

[LatinMind]

The Cowboys are without a 1st round pick.

Their 1st pick is a late 2nd (26th pick in the 2nd).

It would be difficult to add a 1st in 2019 but adding another pick in the top 75 would help offset not having a 1st.

What if they trade a 2020 2nd and a 2019 4th for a an early 3rd (#66) ?

It would be a smaller impact to not have a 2nd than to not have a 1st.

They could then trade #58 and #66 to move up in the 2nd or possibly late 1st or #90 and #66 for #50.

Trade Chart
#58 + #66 = 580 points
#32 = 590 points

OR

#90 + #66 = 400 points
#50 = 400 points

The Raiders almost have too many picks in 2019:
First No. 4
First No. 24 (from Bears)
First No. 27 (from Cowboys)
Second No. 35
Third No. 66
Fourth No. 106
Fifth No. 141
Sixth No. 196
Seventh No. 218
Seventh No. 235 (from Seahawks)

Biggest flaw in this is ur using the old trade chart. The new one is far different. And as many have said this team builds thrust he draft and trading picks would be the opposite of their philosophy

 

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

they will be trading a defensive player for a pick...id bet on it....and it will either be lewis, lawernce or jones....

I think you are right. They won't pay them all. I hope they work something out with Lawrence. Best to trade Jones now. He's sticky and covers TE well but not enough turnovers. This front office has confidence it can draft well. I'd like to keep Lewis.

 

[xwalker]

Biggest flaw in this is ur using the old trade chart. The new one is far different. And as many have said this team builds thrust he draft and trading picks would be the opposite of their philosophy

There are 3 basic trades charts.

Jimmy Johnson version
Harvard Version
Rich Hill Version

I used the Jimmy Johnson version.

The Harvard version is much more in my favor.

The Rich Hill version moves the values of 58+66 to 35 instead of 33.

 

[LatinMind]

There are 3 basic trades charts.

Jimmy Johnson version
Harvard Version
Rich Hill Version

I used the Jimmy Johnson version.

The Harvard version is much more in my favor.

The Rich Hill version moves the values of 58+66 to 35 instead of 33.

Rich Hills chart is the most accurate in trades today.

 

[xwalker]

Rich Hills chart is the most accurate in trades today.

As I said, it barely varies (pick #35 vs pick #33) on the specific trade that I had had referenced.

(#66) 76.25 + (#58) 93.26 = 169.51
#35 = 170.37
#36 = 165.97

(#66) 260 + (#58) 320 = 580
#33 = #580

 

[DasSchnitzel]

I was incredulous until I read the last line.

Why?

 

[DasSchnitzel]

Biggest flaw in this is ur using the old trade chart. The new one is far different. And as many have said this team builds thrust he draft and trading picks would be the opposite of their philosophy

There are 3 basic trades charts.

Jimmy Johnson version
Harvard Version
Rich Hill Version

I used the Jimmy Johnson version.

The Harvard version is much more in my favor.

The Rich Hill version moves the values of 58+66 to 35 instead of 33.

Rich Hills chart is the most accurate in trades today.

As I said, it barely varies (pick #35 vs pick #33) on the specific trade that I had had referenced.

(#66) 76.25 + (#58) 93.26 = 169.51
#35 = 170.37
#36 = 165.97

(#66) 260 + (#58) 320 = 580
#33 = #580

This jockeying for position as resident numbers expert is getting out of hand for me lol

Any thread involving the cap or draft value will certainly involve a debate about the last 1% of the matter, and it's always the usual suspects haha

Dont stop, by all means enjoy yourselves. I just think it's funny.

 

[xwalker]

This jockeying for position as resident numbers expert is getting out of hand for me lol

Any thread involving the cap or draft value will certainly involve a debate about the last 1% of the matter, and it's always the usual suspects haha

Dont stop, by all means enjoy yourselves. I just think it's funny.

@Nightman and a couple of others are in the "numbers expert" category.

Latinmind has no understanding of it but randomly throws things out that he has heard about. As with this debate his claims were without merit.