Adding Three Top 10 Picks

[John813]

Oh I thought he was referencing more recently. I havent liked our gamble picks at the time, but many jave turned out better than I anticipated.

It was just a guess.
I mean JSmith and Gregory still need to prove their worth starting in September, but so far all the signs are pointing up.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

It was just a guess.
I mean JSmith and Gregory still need to prove their worth starting in September, but so far all the signs are pointing up.

Yeah, and while I liked Lawrence I didnt like trading up. I was wrong. Dez and Lee were both awesome draft picks too despite being gambles.

Mo burned us.

 

[DFWJC]

The Tavon comment is a bit of stretch.
But I like the optimism

 

[TwoDeep3]

Years ago just before the 2000 season I watched a sports show that reviewing in each division around the NFL. It was the off season and they were discussing different teams. A fact came out that the Ravens had more first round draft picks on their team than any other. The Ravens were not a great team up until that point. They had moved to Baltimore four years before from Cleveland. They stunk in Cleveland.

It was predicted the ravens were a team to watch. When they suggested this I thought of the Browns and how unlikely that would be.

The Ravens won the Super Bowl that year.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Jerry loves to gamble

 

[CCBoy]

Couldn't agree more. The transition had to take place.

It took since the lockout for this team to get onto the right side of the bell curve for both their salary cap and their talent depth and quality...but they have now arrived. I think we all can now appreciate Stephen and our Scouting Department...and a ton of patience from Jerry, gambles and all.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The crown jewels of NFL rosters are draft picks from the top ten. Look at the current roster with the impact that Zeke and Tyron Smith have. Or Fred and Martin, who would be top ten picks if the draft were held over. Sean Lee could have been a top ten pick but for a major injury.

We have three major breakout stories for the Cowboys this year – and all three are top ten pick type of talents. Jaylon Smith would have been a top ten pick but for the injury (maybe first overall). Randy Gregory would have been a top ten pick if weed was scarce in Nebraska. Tayvon Austin was a top ten pick that clearly has that level of physical talent.

Jerry loves to gamble and all three of Jaylon, Gregory and Austin took time to heal/develop/clean up. But at this point in camp it looks like a huge win that we added three top ten picks to the team.

If Tavon Austin were redrafted today he would probably go in the 6th round or so. Gregory wouldnt even be drafted. So Im not sure how your thread makes any sense. Smith we are speculating, but I happen to agree with you there.

 

[CouchCoach]

I have mixed feelings about Jaylon and Gregory. On the one hand, I want them to live up to their potential and propel this team to playoff glory. On the other hand, I would hate their success to validate the free-wheelin' ways of a GM whose penchant for risk-taking has not been conducive to sustained long-term success. Life with JJ.

I get that but if the risks pay off, I have no problem with taking more. Gregory and Smith could prove to be great rewards for the amount of risk.

The other thing is we're dealing with a wildcatter here and I know a couple pretty well. Risk taking is inherent, they're not happy unless there's ample risk. The results have little effect on future risk taking.

I am OK with it because these two could turn out really well. And these two risks were all about long term, he knew going in he was sacrificing short term success but the long term potential of these two players where he took them is encouraging.

In fact, I have already predicted we will see the "Risk Threads" next year before the draft alongside the Pet Cat ones. We will all need to pick our favorite risk players.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

What gambles have bit us?

Theyve worked out way more often than not.

Gregory definately bit us in that we *could* have had Danielle Hunter or Frank Clark. Even if Gregory goes on and produces the way we wanted, not having him for the 2016 playoff run is something that we can never get back.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Gregory definately bit us in that we *could* have had Danielle Hunter or Frank Clark. Even if Gregory goes on and produces the way we wanted, not having him for the 2016 playoff run is something that we can never get back.

Randy hasnt warranted the pick so far, agreed.
But, why did you cherry pick those two players? Danielle Hunter wouldnt have been the pick regardless.

The ten picks after Gregory:
Ali Marpet-Average starter
Quinten Rollins-Lol
Frank Clark who is very good
Jordan Richards-Who
D'joun Smith-who
Jeremiah Poutashi-lol
A.J Cann- at leats he's a starter but bad
Clive Walford- lol
Tyler lockett- talented but hasnt produced
Jaelen Strong- lol

All in all we didnt miss out on much. The 2015 draft was very weak, starting in the 1st round and onward. Gregory didnt set us back a whooe lot and could end up being better than most picks.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Wake me after the Panthers game and I can tell you a little more. With the Panthers banged up OL, there is no reason our DL is not rolling in that game.

 

[Aven8]

Cleveland has had top 5 picks for years and it isn't helping them. Finally they have when they could have had Wentz or Watson, etc in years past.

This is exactly how the Jags have built their roster as well, by being a crappy football team!

 

[buybuydandavis]

We have three major breakout stories for the Cowboys this year – and all three are top ten pick type of talents. Jaylon Smith would have been a top ten pick but for the injury (maybe first overall). Randy Gregory would have been a top ten pick if weed was scarce in Nebraska. Tayvon Austin was a top ten pick that clearly has that level of physical talent.

Austin was a consensus reach for talent, but Smith and Gregory won't.

Genius Jerry will be floating on cloud every time Smith and Gregory are on the field together.

 

[Kaiser]

Austin was a consensus reach for talent, but Smith and Gregory won't.

He was a reach at 8, he was a guy that I was hoping would drop into the teens so we could trade up for him.

My point on Austin is that he has those skills. He has had a lot of problems but with Sanjay Lal coaching and with the right spot in Linehan's offense this may be the year he finally shows the talent he has.

Jaylon and Gregory would definitely be top ten picks if it weren't for the off the field issues. And with Gregory, no one would have blinked if a team took him at the back end of the first round.

 

[Batman1980]

Randy hasnt warranted the pick so far, agreed.
But, why did you cherry pick those two players? Danielle Hunter wouldnt have been the pick regardless.

The ten picks after Gregory:
Ali Marpet-Average starter
Quinten Rollins-Lol
Frank Clark who is very good
Jordan Richards-Who
D'joun Smith-who
Jeremiah Poutashi-lol
A.J Cann- at leats he's a starter but bad
Clive Walford- lol
Tyler lockett- talented but hasnt produced
Jaelen Strong- lol

All in all we didnt miss out on much. The 2015 draft was very weak, starting in the 1st round and onward. Gregory didnt set us back a whooe lot and could end up being better than most picks.

I wanted Frank Clark and honestly think we would've been better off with him than Randy Gregory.

 

[Number1]

let's not forget high R1 FAs who didn't workout like Cooper at OG or McClain at LB. And it's not just the R1 picks but other gambles that could pay, like moving up to take Lawrence (he cost more than Taco), or Irving, or passing up several QBs to take Dak, or the crazy gamble of Zeke (a RB) at #4, ... investing years in Rico or drafting ... gambling on D and investing in the OL ... it goes on an on

remember JJ made his money wild catting ... drill 5 holes ... if one hits your good ... if 3 hit WOW!

JJ is like the guy who goes to a casino and bets a chunk on the same roulette number every pay check ... sooner or later, he hits big, and statistically sooner or later not just a win shows up, but a winning streak

until he does ... it looks idiotic

 

[Kaiser]

let's not forget high R1 FAs who didn't workout like Cooper at OG or McClain at LB. And it's not just the R1 picks but other gambles that could pay, like moving up to take Lawrence (he cost more than Taco), or Irving, or passing up several QBs to take Dak, or the crazy gamble of Zeke (a RB) at #4, ... investing years in Rico or drafting ... gambling on D and investing in the OL ... it goes on an on

This is crazy talk. Cooper cost nothing and gave us an average season for a minimum salary. McClain gave us one good season and then was replaced, he cost very little also. Every team in the NFL would give up a 2 and a 3 for DLaw. Irving was signed off a practice squad and has given us 11 sacks in 10 starts at the minimum salary.

Zeke was a "crazy gamble" to take one of the best RBs in the game at the 4 pick? Passing on Christian Hackenberg and Cardale Jones to pick Dak was a mistake? Seriously?

Every move you are criticizing is one that any GM in the league would be bragging about.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

let's not forget high R1 FAs who didn't workout like Cooper at OG or McClain at LB. And it's not just the R1 picks but other gambles that could pay, like moving up to take Lawrence (he cost more than Taco), or Irving, or passing up several QBs to take Dak, or the crazy gamble of Zeke (a RB) at #4, ... investing years in Rico or drafting ... gambling on D and investing in the OL ... it goes on an on

remember JJ made his money wild catting ... drill 5 holes ... if one hits your good ... if 3 hit WOW!

JJ is like the guy who goes to a casino and bets a chunk on the same roulette number every pay check ... sooner or later, he hits big, and statistically sooner or later not just a win shows up, but a winning streak

until he does ... it looks idiotic

Cooper and McClain both worked out wonderfully?

 

[davidariust24]

I like the direction and focus of the build process, and this team has made monumental strides in talent additions recently,, this is a really much improved team.
Still have my doubts this team can hang in a high scoring shootout scenario,, and that will cook your chicken in the playoffs, and if your lucky enough to get to the big dance and try and play with the Brady bunch.
I pray we discover some true breakout league MVP candidates at WR, and Im sure Dak does to.

You shouldn't be nervous about the receivers if you look at the eagles and pats from last year as an example. Gronkowski is hurt seems like every season for a few games and the pats don't miss a beat and they are a passing team. We are a running team. 9 In the box? We have seen those since Murray when teams did it we still not running and there are always those breakout runs that lead to points on the board. well be okay

 

[waving monkey]

I also have a lot of skepticism with Austin.

I think the original poster's premise is a common one on this forum. It's also one i don't buy into, at least fully. The draft represents opionions on one day. If you could fast forward a month into training camp after teams have worked with the players for a while, and re-do the draft entirely over, you would have a very different set of opinions. Fast forward after a year in the league, you get another different set of opinions.

Austin was drafted high in the first round, Terrance Williams drafted high in the 3rd round of the same draft. Williams has outperformed Austin pretty substantially since they've been in the league.

There are all kinds of top ten picks that wind up being disappointments. If you don't believe me, ask the Browns. Or any other team.

We could waive Prescott, Rush, and White and pickup Mike Vick, Vince Young, and Jamarcus Russell. They were all the 1st picks in the drafts--imagine what talent we would have. I'm being cynical, because nobody in their right mind would do this, but I view Tavon Austin as a less extreme example of that same kind of thinking.

I know a lot of people have faith that Sanjay Lal can revive Austin's career. He did, after all, have success with TY Hilton, another really fast receiver. But he didn't with Phillip Dorsett, a similarly gifted and sized 1st round receiver. That effort was a huge disappointment in Indianapolis. Dorsett is now trying to establish his career in New England, much like Austin is here.

I like your thoughts but at this time Lal is the man in the house and the WR's all are giving rave reviews. I'll go with that until proven faulty