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[Cowboyny]

I’m also not letting a bunch of 1 year deals stop from adding a long term solution opposite Micah.

I’d still take a DE in the first 3 rounds just feel better about if we don’t get one.

Agree, same goes for linebacker. The only real investments in those two positions are Kneeland/Marist the rest are all on 1 yr stop gap deals.

My biggest concern remains their run defense, they have gotten worse since the offseason started and they were already bad to begin with. DT, LB, DE all are in play.

 

[gimmesix]

I would be surprised if Parsons is playing off the ball linebacker, think he is going to be our full-time RE. Like the idea of him playing off the ball, but two DC's already said otherwise.

Kneeland/Turner probably will compete to become the base (run) starter at LE, where the likes of Fowler/Sam Williams will be more of the nickel pass rushers at the position. Do they trust them enough to handle the role?

Right now we have our 3 starting linebackers, but we really need depth at the position along with find a future upgrade over Murray.

I kind of agree, but even if Parsons plays strictly at DE, he's not going to be able to play every snap. I think we'll use Turner and Kneeland at the two end spots some on early downs to keep from wearing Parsons out and allow him to be able to turn it loose on passing downs.

 

[visionary]

I'd be OK with a trade down if Graham, Jeanty, McMillan, Barron and Johnson are gone. Slide down a little to where those DTs are valued and take Nolen, Harmon or Grant. It would probably need to be no lower than 20.

If there was a run on DTs and they were gone after trading down to 20, I'd be good with Hampton or the receivers there.

Part of the good of that would be getting an extra early pick to address the priority needs. We could get a DT and still address WR, CB and RB by the third round.

Id run to the podium for Graham or Tet

Otherwise trade down

 

[Cowboyny]

I kind of agree, but even if Parsons plays strictly at DE, he's not going to be able to play every snap. I think we'll use Turner and Kneeland at the two end spots some on early downs to keep from wearing Parsons out and allow him to be able to turn it loose on passing downs.

Interested to see how they use Sam Williams/Fowler.

 

[cnuball21]

Agree, same goes for linebacker. The only real investments in those two positions are Kneeland/Marist the rest are all on 1 yr stop gap deals.

My biggest concern remains their run defense, they have gotten worse since the offseason started and they were already bad to begin with. DT, LB, DE all are in play.

Yup - 100% agree. Don’t expect rookies to fix that either.

 

[gimmesix]

Id run to the podium for Graham or Tet

Otherwise trade down

Understand. I just feel there are a few others we could use who would be excellent values at 12. However, I don't want to reach for positions of need with lower values at 12 and there are a few positions where the value may be right but I don't want to draft at 12 unless we can't trade down.

 

[gimmesix]

Interested to see how they use Sam Williams/Fowler.

I'm not expecting much from Williams. We were hyping him up last year as the reason we could let Fowler go in free agency, but he had never proven he was worth extended playing time and now he's coming off a major injury.

Frankly, I'm glad we brought Fowler back because he gives us a proven pass rusher opposite Parsons. I see those two primarily on the edge on passing downs, with Williams maybe picking up some snaps in relief.

My guess for lineups right now would be:

1st down: RDE Kneeland, NT Mazi Smith, DT Odighizuwa/Thomas, LDE Turner

Passing downs: RDE Parsons, DT Odighizuwa, DT Thomas, LDE Fowler

Williams is relief and right now, Justin Rogers is relief, which tells us we need at least one more run-stuffing DT.

 

[Cowboyny]

I'm not expecting much from Williams. We were hyping him up last year as the reason we could let Fowler go in free agency, but he had never proven he was worth extended playing time and now he's coming off a major injury.

Frankly, I'm glad we brought Fowler back because he gives us a proven pass rusher opposite Parsons. I see those two primarily on the edge on passing downs, with Williams maybe picking up some snaps in relief.

My guess for lineups right now would be:

1st down: RDE Kneeland, NT Mazi Smith, DT Odighizuwa/Thomas, LDE Turner

Passing downs: RDE Parsons, DT Odighizuwa, DT Thomas, LDE Fowler

Williams is relief and right now, Justin Rogers is relief, which tells us we need at least one more run-stuffing DT.

Let's hope we still get some upgrades along the DL, looks very very weak.

 

[cnuball21]

Let's hope we still get some upgrades along the DL, looks very very weak.

I think 2nd round is the sweet spot for a good DT falling. Someone like Williams or Grant would be my ideal pickup.

 

[gimmesix]

Let's hope we still get some upgrades along the DL, looks very very weak.

I'd like to get a difference-maker at Dt because we haven't had one for a long, long time. We've had players like Odighizuwa, who is a solid player and a really good rotational piece, but the last time we had a major threat at DT was probably when Parcells drafted players like Jay Ratliff and Jason Hatcher (who was an end in his scheme but had nice success when we switched back to a 4-3).

We came close with David Irving, but could get him to care more about the game than pot.

This is why I want Nolen or Harmon in the first because I believe both players can be solid against the run and be disruptive as pass rushers. Outside of Graham, I think they are most likely to make an impact on the interior as disruptors.

I mean, I don't pretend to be an expert and could be wrong about them, but that's what I see.

 

[Cowboyny]

I'd like to get a difference-maker at Dt because we haven't had one for a long, long time. We've had players like Odighizuwa, who is a solid player and a really good rotational piece, but the last time we had a major threat at DT was probably when Parcells drafted players like Jay Ratliff and Jason Hatcher (who was an end in his scheme but had nice success when we switched back to a 4-3).

We came close with David Irving, but could get him to care more about the game than pot.

This is why I want Nolen or Harmon in the first because I believe both players can be solid against the run and be disruptive as pass rushers. Outside of Graham, I think they are most likely to make an impact on the interior as disruptors.

I mean, I don't pretend to be an expert and could be wrong about them, but that's what I see.

I agree, but with the Osa signing I fear they will feel the position has been addressed.

 

[Cowboyny]

I think 2nd round is the sweet spot for a good DT falling. Someone like Williams or Grant would be my ideal pickup.

I am still on the train back train to either target one of those WR's or DT's unless a T-Mac/Graham fall into our laps.

 

[gimmesix]

I agree, but with the Osa signing I fear they will feel the position has been addressed.

That was my main concern with it. I wanted Osa back, but I didn't want the signing to make them view DT as a finished position. I kind of feel like with Thomas being added, that is them saying we're finished with that one. Sure, we might add a later-round pick if the player is high on our board, but we're good.

 

[cnuball21]

I'd like to get a difference-maker at Dt because we haven't had one for a long, long time. We've had players like Odighizuwa, who is a solid player and a really good rotational piece, but the last time we had a major threat at DT was probably when Parcells drafted players like Jay Ratliff and Jason Hatcher (who was an end in his scheme but had nice success when we switched back to a 4-3).

We came close with David Irving, but could get him to care more about the game than pot.

This is why I want Nolen or Harmon in the first because I believe both players can be solid against the run and be disruptive as pass rushers. Outside of Graham, I think they are most likely to make an impact on the interior as disruptors.

I mean, I don't pretend to be an expert and could be wrong about them, but that's what I see.

Osa is a difference maker at 3T. Dude had 60+ pressures last year and led the league in QB hits. We need a difference maker at NT.

 

[NDGAEDE]

I think 2nd round is the sweet spot for a good DT falling. Someone like Williams or Grant would be my ideal pickup.

Tyleik in the second would be A+

 

[baltcowboy]

I don’t think Eberflus values a big fat dude clogging the middle. He wants 4 guys hunting the quarterback. I expect Turner to get some reps at tackle and I think if they draft Williams they will expect the same. The linebackers they brought in are solid run defenders especially the Chicago kid.

 

[cnuball21]

I don’t think Eberflus values a big fat dude clogging the middle. He wants 4 guys hunting the quarterback. I expect Turner to get some reps at tackle and I think if they draft Williams they will expect the same. The linebackers they brought in are solid run defenders especially the Chicago kid.

He’s a fan of tall and long DTs. Harmon is one of my favorite prospects in the class and he fits the bill.

 

[big dog cowboy]

No idea what order, but I’ll be pretty shocked if the 1st 3 picks aren’t WR, RB, and CB.

Get ready to be shocked.

 

[gimmesix]

Osa is a difference maker at 3T. Dude had 60+ pressures last year and led the league in QB hits. We need a difference maker at NT.

I don't agree. Chris Jones is a difference maker at 3-tech. He only had 5 sacks last year, but he's a player offenses have to plan to stop or he can get 10 to 15. In this defensive alignment, where 3-tech is one of the top positions, you keep swinging for the fences until you hit a home run.

A home run is a Jones or Aaron Donald or DeForest Buckner or Quinnen Williams. These are players who have put up double-digit sacks and become the focal point of offensive blocking schemes, which makes the defenders around them better.

 

[bdk76]

We seem to be moving towards what the Eagles did last year with a strong running game to set up play action passing. I looked up the numbers for them and it was intersting.

Devonta Smith 68/833
AJ Brown 67/1079
Dallas Goedert 42/496
Saquon Barkley 345/2005

Last year Lamb was 101/1194
Cooks was 26/259
Tolbert was 49/610

Lamb put up better numbers than Brown but Cooks and Tolbert were behind Smith
There were 4 rookie WRs last year that put up better numbers than Smith

Brian Thomas 87/1282
Malik Nabers 109/1204
Ladd McConkey 82/1149
Marvin Harrison 62/885

Using the NFL grading system they would stack up like this to this years draft class

Malik Nabers 6.86
Marvin Harrison Jr. 6.83
Luther Burden III 6.47
Brian Thomas Jr. 6.47
Matt Golden 6.42
Ladd McConkey 6.4
Tetairoa McMillan 6.4
Emeka Egbuka 6.37

No Rookie RBs came close to Barkley.

For our offense to move towards what the eagles did we need a blue chip RB, WR, and probably some upgrades to the OL. Burden, Golden, McMillan, and maybe Egbuka could conceivably get you to Smith's numbers. Jackson or Membou could help fix the OL and Jeanty is probably the closest thing to Barkley.

i'd prefer we move towards what the Eagles defense was last year. A dominate DL is the main reason they won the super bowl