Hawkeye0202
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Carter admitted he could his issues will hurt him a "little bit". I'm guessing we can pencil him to the Seahawks or Eagles. Also, if Skoronski makes it to 26, he's the pick IMO, otherwise, I think it's Mayer.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/04/17/2023-nfl-draft-bryce-young-cj-stroud-panthers-texans-takeaways
We’ve got some quick-hitting draft takeaways for you with what we’re hearing with the big night just 10 days away …
• The Eagles are really high on where Jordan Davis and Nakobe Dean are going into their second years, and that could, potentially, work to help Jalen Carter with Philly, should he slide to the bottom of the top 10. For one, as one executive who’s worked with GM Howie Roseman in the past put it, “Howie loves going all in on certain programs, so if he has success with a couple guys from one school, he can go overboard.” And two, having Davis and Dean, in theory at least, would help Philly get Carter past the litany of issues he’s had.
Hitting on Carter would give the Eagles the perfect heir to Fletcher Cox, as the dominant 3-technique for the Philly front.
• I thought at the beginning of all this, I’d find a few teams that viewed Northwestern tackle Peter Skoronski as a guard. Instead, I’ve found few that see him as a tackle. I’ve gotten Zack Martin comps from a number of teams—Martin played left tackle at Notre Dame before becoming a perennial All-Pro guard—and even had a team say his best position might be center. Now, you could point to Rashawn Slater, Skoronski’s former teammate who had a similar issue with length, for a tackle. But scouts saw Slater as a little more able to make up for it with his ability to cover ground quickly.
• The flip side is Paris Johnson Jr., who looks like he was created in a left tackle lab, but is still young and needs to get bigger and stronger for the NFL game. The good news is he checks all the character boxes, so you can count on him working to get there. And, again, the stuff you can’t teach is all there. “I bet 26 of 32 teams have Paris over Skoronski,” says one AFC exec, whose logic was rooted in a simple question: How high can you take a guard?
• Tyree Wilson’s 30 visits—and he was with the Jaguars, Cardinals, Raiders and Patriots last week—are important, both for the chance to make an impression as a still-developing prospect, and because it gave those teams a chance to get one last look at his foot. Wilson initially injured it back in November, and though he was cleared by renowned foot-ankle specialist Dr. Robert Anderson, those visits provide the opportunity to get players with team physicians, thus giving those clubs one last look at the Texas Tech star medically. All this taken into account? Wilson makes a lot of sense for teams such as Seattle, Detroit and Atlanta.
• The Will Anderson Jr.–Tyree Wilson debate is, for sure, a live one for a lot of teams. Those in Anderson’s corner say his tape is better (and his football character is impeccable). Those in Wilson’s corner believe Anderson is too limited athletically and, as is the reputation for Alabama stars, maxed out because of the incredible environment he’s coming from, while Wilson has a lot of room still to grow. “He’s a really good player,” says one AFC exec of Anderson. “I was expecting more. I don’t see a top-10 pick. He’s got the pedigree, the hype, great kid. I just didn’t see an elite pass rusher.”
• Add the above up, and I think, for most, the top tier of the draft is composed of the three pass rushers (Carter, Anderson, Wilson), the top two offensive linemen (Skoronski, Johnson), the top two corners (Witherspoon, Christian Gonzalez) and the star do-it-all tailback (Robinson), with varying opinions on which quarterbacks would be in that mix. After that, and opinions do vary, I think there’s a drop-off, meaning after the top dozen picks or so, you’ll find guys who may not be that different than the 40th or 50th pick.
• With that established, it will still be tough for the Cardinals to move the third pick to a team coming up for anything but a quarterback. And history tells us that. Over the past 10 drafts, six teams have traded up into the top five. In 2013 the Dolphins did it for Oregon DE Dion Jordan. In ’14 the Bills did it for Clemson WR Sammy Watkins. In the eight drafts since, it’s happened only four times, and in all four cases the move up was for a quarterback (Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Sam Darnold and Trey Lance were those quarterbacks).
• That means Stroud slipping past the Texans at No. 2 would be a pretty good development for Cardinals GM Monti Ossenfort. There are said to be fans of Stroud in Indy’s building, and the Colts pick fourth.
• Everyone, at this point, knows how strong the tight end group is. A couple of teams have theorized it could mean fewer of them (or even none of them) going in the first round, as a result of GMs knowing there’ll be quality players available to them Friday night, in the second and third rounds.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/04/17/2023-nfl-draft-bryce-young-cj-stroud-panthers-texans-takeaways
We’ve got some quick-hitting draft takeaways for you with what we’re hearing with the big night just 10 days away …
• The Eagles are really high on where Jordan Davis and Nakobe Dean are going into their second years, and that could, potentially, work to help Jalen Carter with Philly, should he slide to the bottom of the top 10. For one, as one executive who’s worked with GM Howie Roseman in the past put it, “Howie loves going all in on certain programs, so if he has success with a couple guys from one school, he can go overboard.” And two, having Davis and Dean, in theory at least, would help Philly get Carter past the litany of issues he’s had.
Hitting on Carter would give the Eagles the perfect heir to Fletcher Cox, as the dominant 3-technique for the Philly front.
• I thought at the beginning of all this, I’d find a few teams that viewed Northwestern tackle Peter Skoronski as a guard. Instead, I’ve found few that see him as a tackle. I’ve gotten Zack Martin comps from a number of teams—Martin played left tackle at Notre Dame before becoming a perennial All-Pro guard—and even had a team say his best position might be center. Now, you could point to Rashawn Slater, Skoronski’s former teammate who had a similar issue with length, for a tackle. But scouts saw Slater as a little more able to make up for it with his ability to cover ground quickly.
• The flip side is Paris Johnson Jr., who looks like he was created in a left tackle lab, but is still young and needs to get bigger and stronger for the NFL game. The good news is he checks all the character boxes, so you can count on him working to get there. And, again, the stuff you can’t teach is all there. “I bet 26 of 32 teams have Paris over Skoronski,” says one AFC exec, whose logic was rooted in a simple question: How high can you take a guard?
• Tyree Wilson’s 30 visits—and he was with the Jaguars, Cardinals, Raiders and Patriots last week—are important, both for the chance to make an impression as a still-developing prospect, and because it gave those teams a chance to get one last look at his foot. Wilson initially injured it back in November, and though he was cleared by renowned foot-ankle specialist Dr. Robert Anderson, those visits provide the opportunity to get players with team physicians, thus giving those clubs one last look at the Texas Tech star medically. All this taken into account? Wilson makes a lot of sense for teams such as Seattle, Detroit and Atlanta.
• The Will Anderson Jr.–Tyree Wilson debate is, for sure, a live one for a lot of teams. Those in Anderson’s corner say his tape is better (and his football character is impeccable). Those in Wilson’s corner believe Anderson is too limited athletically and, as is the reputation for Alabama stars, maxed out because of the incredible environment he’s coming from, while Wilson has a lot of room still to grow. “He’s a really good player,” says one AFC exec of Anderson. “I was expecting more. I don’t see a top-10 pick. He’s got the pedigree, the hype, great kid. I just didn’t see an elite pass rusher.”
• Add the above up, and I think, for most, the top tier of the draft is composed of the three pass rushers (Carter, Anderson, Wilson), the top two offensive linemen (Skoronski, Johnson), the top two corners (Witherspoon, Christian Gonzalez) and the star do-it-all tailback (Robinson), with varying opinions on which quarterbacks would be in that mix. After that, and opinions do vary, I think there’s a drop-off, meaning after the top dozen picks or so, you’ll find guys who may not be that different than the 40th or 50th pick.
• With that established, it will still be tough for the Cardinals to move the third pick to a team coming up for anything but a quarterback. And history tells us that. Over the past 10 drafts, six teams have traded up into the top five. In 2013 the Dolphins did it for Oregon DE Dion Jordan. In ’14 the Bills did it for Clemson WR Sammy Watkins. In the eight drafts since, it’s happened only four times, and in all four cases the move up was for a quarterback (Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Sam Darnold and Trey Lance were those quarterbacks).
• That means Stroud slipping past the Texans at No. 2 would be a pretty good development for Cardinals GM Monti Ossenfort. There are said to be fans of Stroud in Indy’s building, and the Colts pick fourth.
• Everyone, at this point, knows how strong the tight end group is. A couple of teams have theorized it could mean fewer of them (or even none of them) going in the first round, as a result of GMs knowing there’ll be quality players available to them Friday night, in the second and third rounds.
. 7 spots trading up would mean giving up the 3rd and 4th round picks along with 26. No way nuh-uh.
