Albert Breer's draft nuggets

[cnuball21]

Sure if there is an OL or DL worthy there. But I am not going to take TE off the board just to take a 4th WR at 26, for example.

If the right WR is there I would in a heartbeat. If we’re talking about taking a similarly rated player to Mayer I would 10 times out of 10.

Your “4th” WR is going to eat away at Gallups snaps and ideally get us out of his salary and be our long term #2.

 

[CATCH17]

Bijan has a high bust factor. I think he will find tough sledding in the NFL. Good player but not elite.

I don’t see what you’re seeing but playing against big 12 defenses do make players look better then they are.

He looks like a more Physical Saquon Barkley to me.

 

[Rayman70]

I don’t see what you’re seeing but playing against big 12 defenses do make players look better then they are.

He looks like a more Physical Saquon Barkley to me.

I highly doubt it. I watched many games 0f his where he was shut down and struggled against bad teams. He is a good player but not great. No way am I drafting him in rd 1, let alone trading up.

 

[CATCH17]

I highly doubt it. I watched many games 0f his where he was shut down and struggled against bad teams. He is a good player but not great. No way am I drafting him in rd 1, let alone trading up.

I respect the opinion.

I think he’s the best player in the draft so if we get him that would be amazing for our team.

I just hope the Jones’s don’t renew his deal or do the same stupid garbage that they did with Zeke.

These guys have about 5 years in them and they’re done.

 

[Rayman70]

I respect the opinion.

I think he’s the best player in the draft so if we get him that would be amazing for our team.

I just hope the Jones’s don’t renew his deal or do the same stupid garbage that they did with Zeke.

These guys have about 5 years in them and they’re done.

thats true.^

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

Bijan has a high bust factor. I think he will find tough sledding in the NFL. Good player but not elite.

I don't even want a RB in round 1 but Robinson probably has the least bust factor of any player in the entire draft. All 32 teams will have Robinson ranked in their top 5.

 

[pacy]

5 seasons of elite RB play on a rookie deal is still awesome value I think.

If he doesn't hold out like Zeke.

 

[Rayman70]

I don't even want a RB in round 1 but Robinson probably has the least bust factor of any player in the entire draft. All 32 teams will have Robinson ranked in their top 5.

he has games where hes invisible. Been injured alot due to the miles on him. Thats why I said that.Rather have Gibbs.

 

[CATCH17]

If he doesn't hold out like Zeke.

True..

Stephen Jones is to blame for that though. They basically told everyone they wanted to extend Zeke and helped cause that circus.

 

[Sydla]

If the right WR is there I would in a heartbeat. If we’re talking about taking a similarly rated player to Mayer I would 10 times out of 10.

Your “4th” WR is going to eat away at Gallups snaps and ideally get us out of his salary and be our long term #2.

One, Gallup isn't having snaps eaten up unless he's still hurt. And if he's still hurt then it was really dumb for the Cowboys to restructure him last month. So the fact they did it tells me health wise, he's fine.

If you have a WR rated the same as Mayer (or Washington or Kincaid) at 26 and you take the WR, that's insane to me. Mayer is likely an immediate starter and will play 700+ snaps a year. Your WR might play 175 snaps his first two years until you clear out one of the WRs in Lamb, Cooks or Gallup, which likely isn't happening for at least 2 seasons.

I get it that some of you like the flash and glitziness of skill players but looking at it logically, WR is one of the lower needs at 26 given the current team make up.

 

[Gaede]

One, Gallup isn't having snaps eaten up unless he's still hurt. And if he's still hurt then it was really dumb for the Cowboys to restructure him last month. So the fact they did it tells me health wise, he's fine.

If you have a WR rated the same as Mayer (or Washington or Kincaid) at 26 and you take the WR, that's insane to me. Mayer is likely an immediate starter and will play 700+ snaps a year. Your WR might play 175 snaps his first two years until you clear out one of the WRs in Lamb, Cooks or Gallup, which likely isn't happening for at least 2 seasons.

I get it that some of you like the flash and glitziness of skill players but looking at it logically, WR is one of the lower needs at 26 given the current team make up.

And especially given the talent this year. None of these guys are slam dunks. Not a single one

 

[cnuball21]

One, Gallup isn't having snaps eaten up unless he's still hurt. And if he's still hurt then it was really dumb for the Cowboys to restructure him last month. So the fact they did it tells me health wise, he's fine.

If you have a WR rated the same as Mayer (or Washington or Kincaid) at 26 and you take the WR, that's insane to me. Mayer is likely an immediate starter and will play 700+ snaps a year. Your WR might play 175 snaps his first two years until you clear out one of the WRs in Lamb, Cooks or Gallup, which likely isn't happening for at least 2 seasons.

I get it that some of you like the flash and glitziness of skill players but looking at it logically, WR is one of the lower needs at 26 given the current team make up.

How do you know? Neither of us are certain of how they feel about MG but the fact they brought in Cooks and are visiting with every top WR makes me believe they aren’t fully content with the WR room. Agree on the contract, but that’s typical Cowboys in doing a dumb contract.

And you keep hammering the point off of the player not getting snaps which I just don’t agree with. Yes, they’ll be a little limited year 1 but will expand. Then in year 2/3 you potentially have a #2 WR making single digits instead of 12-15 million. It’s a 5 year investment not a 1 year.

Has nothing to do with flash and glammer…it’s roster building economics.

 

[Sydla]

How do you know? Neither of us are certain of how they feel about MG but the fact they brought in Cooks and are visiting with every top WR makes me believe they aren’t fully content with the WR room. Agree on the contract, but that’s typical Cowboys in doing a dumb contract.

And you keep hammering the point off of the player not getting snaps which I just don’t agree with. Yes, they’ll be a little limited year 1 but will expand. Then in year 2/3 you potentially have a #2 WR making single digits instead of 12-15 million. It’s a 5 year investment not a 1 year.

Has nothing to do with flash and glammer…it’s roster building economics.

Here's how we know. If they had wishy washy feelings on Gallup there is no way they would have restructured him kicking more of his cap hit into future years. If they didn't touch his contract a month ago, they could have cut him after this season with minimal pain. But now, because they restructured him, they can't cut him for at least two more seasons. They like Gallup and they want him around. You may not agree with it but their actions pretty much tell you that Gallup is a longer term player for them as opposed you thinking a guy taken at 26 is going to steal a bunch of snaps from him this year and then basically replace him in 2024.

We visit a lot of the top players, some we know we won't likely draft. Just because they've met with WRs doens't mean that's where they want to go at 26.

It's not roster building economics to now have that many resources tied up in the WR position. You spent a #1 on Lamb (and are going to resign him). You traded for Cooks. You have a lot of money tied up in the position. And then you are going to use another #1 pick on a WR that for, at least two years, likely won't play a ton (such as how much Lamb played his first two years). On a team that is very clear that they use the draft to find impact players, hopefully immediate impact players, taking a guy who, if everything goes right, would essentially be a bit player for a couple of years isn't solid roster building.

I would only take a WR at 26 if the board was just wasted and the WR was the clear BPA. Like with Lamb. But given this isn't a strong WR class at all, I have doubts that they are going to be looking at another Lamb situation.

 

[cnuball21]

Here's how we know. If they had wishy washy feelings on Gallup there is no way they would have restructured him kicking more of his cap hit into future years. If they didn't touch his contract a month ago, they could have cut him after this season with minimal pain. But now, because they restructured him, they can't cut him for at least two more seasons. They like Gallup and they want him around. You may not agree with it but their actions pretty much tell you that Gallup is a longer term player for them as opposed you thinking a guy taken at 26 is going to steal a bunch of snaps from him this year and then basically replace him in 2024.

We visit a lot of the top players, some we know we won't likely draft. Just because they've met with WRs doens't mean that's where they want to go at 26.

It's not roster building economics to now have that many resources tied up in the WR position. You spent a #1 on Lamb (and are going to resign him). You traded for Cooks. You have a lot of money tied up in the position. And then you are going to use another #1 pick on a WR that for, at least two years, likely won't play a ton (such as how much Lamb played his first two years). On a team that is very clear that they use the draft to find impact players, hopefully immediate impact players, taking a guy who, if everything goes right, would essentially be a bit player for a couple of years isn't solid roster building.

I would only take a WR at 26 if the board was just wasted and the WR was the clear BPA. Like with Lamb. But given this isn't a strong WR class at all, I have doubts that they are going to be looking at another Lamb situation.

Strongly disagree…onward.

 

[EenonyMoose]

Here's how we know. If they had wishy washy feelings on Gallup there is no way they would have restructured him kicking more of his cap hit into future years. If they didn't touch his contract a month ago, they could have cut him after this season with minimal pain. But now, because they restructured him, they can't cut him for at least two more seasons. They like Gallup and they want him around. You may not agree with it but their actions pretty much tell you that Gallup is a longer term player for them as opposed you thinking a guy taken at 26 is going to steal a bunch of snaps from him this year and then basically replace him in 2024.

They'll technically save 800k if they cut Gallup outright after the season. 9.5 million if it's a June 1 cut. He's absolutely on the hot seat.

 

[gtb1943]

True..

Stephen Jones is to blame for that though. They basically told everyone they wanted to extend Zeke and helped cause that circus.

IF the Clown Show had handled that better I doubt Zeke holds out; but the way they were acting I really cannot blame him.

 

[Sydla]

They'll technically save 800k if they cut Gallup outright after the season. 9.5 million if it's a June 1 cut. He's absolutely on the hot seat.

They aren't cutting him to save $800K. And $9.5 million as a June 1 is nice but that number would have been much higher if they hadn't restructured him just a month ago.

If he was on the hot seat as you claim, they shouldn't have restructured him. You don't restructure guys that you even contemplate as being on the hot seat/cut one year later (look at Elliott, he had a big cap number in 2022 and was a restructure candidate but Dallas didn't to save oodles of cap space because the reality was they knew he was a potential cut in 2023). If that's their thinking, then they are dumber than I could ever imagine. Only in Cowboys land would you restructure a guy, draft his replacement 2 months later and then cut him 12 months from now. That's some really bad roster management right there.

 

[Sydla]

Strongly disagree…onward.

I am generally curious now. Knowing what McCarthy apparently wants to do - play more 12 and 13 personnel - if all the TEs were there at 26, which WRs would you consider no brainer picks over all of those guys? Or would you take Kincaid, who is basically a glorified 4th WR, over the WRs and your only problem is with Mayer?

 

[EenonyMoose]

They aren't cutting him to save $800K.

If he was on the hot seat, they shouldn't have restructured him. You don't restructure guys that you even contemplate as being on the hot seat one year later. If that's their thinking, then they are dumber than I could ever imagine. Only in Cowboys land would you restructure a guy, draft his replacement 2 months later and then cut him 12 months from now. That's some really bad roster management right there.

You just never know what these guys have managed to talk themselves in to.

Amari probably said the same thing, and his deal wasn’t nearly as dumb as Gallup’s.

 

[Sydla]

You just never know what these guys have managed to talk themselves in to.

Amari probably said the same thing, and his deal wasn’t nearly as dumb as Gallup’s.

And as I said, if they talked themselves into that, it's just further proof these guys don't get it and just aren't very good at roster construction.

But assuming they aren't complete idiots, the fact they added Cooks, restructured Gallup tells me that unless it's a CeeDee Lamb situation, they aren't going WR at 26. That doesn't mean they can't and shouldn't come back and take a WR later. I'd be all over a guy like Mingo in the later rounds, for example.

And when you look at the roster, what McCarthy is apparently wanting to do, if you have a TE and a WR that are similarly rated at 26, it would seem peculiar to take the WR in that scenario.