Alex Barron or Jamal Brown ?

[Idgit]

Brown is hardly a bigtime probowl talent, as some of the people in this thread seem to think.

He's had his moments, good and bad.

Seems alot of folks forget the "B" word was used a good bit with him early, and for whatever reason (attitude, work ethic, injury, maybe all of them) the Saints coaching staff doesnt seem to have a very high opinion of him. The fact that they believe a guy who was a human turnstile in the game we played against them last yr (as well as a couple other games late in the yr) is just as good, if not better than Brown should say alot.

Brown's issues are with his health. He's a better player than Barron has ever shown to be, otherwise.

 

[Stash]

Brown's issues are with his health. He's a better player than Barron has ever shown to be, otherwise.

Careful.

Barron has a star on his helmet now.

That ups his talent level considerably before he even hits the field.

 

[Hostile]

Careful.

Barron has a star on his helmet now.

That ups his talent level considerably before he even hits the field.

How do you figure this?

 

[Stash]

How do you figure this?

From 'gems' like this one:

Brown is hardly a bigtime probowl talent, as some of the people in this thread seem to think.

He's had his moments, good and bad.

Seems alot of folks forget the "B" word was used a good bit with him early, and for whatever reason (attitude, work ethic, injury, maybe all of them) the Saints coaching staff doesnt seem to have a very high opinion of him. The fact that they believe a guy who was a human turnstile in the game we played against them last yr (as well as a couple other games late in the yr) is just as good, if not better than Brown should say alot.

Brown is a two-time Pro Bowler and to date Barron has been a disappointment.

I hope Barron becomes a better player in Dallas, but Brown has shown to be thus far.

 

[Hostile]

From 'gems' like this one:





Brown is a two-time Pro Bowler and to date Barron has been a disappointment.

I hope Barron becomes a better player in Dallas, but Brown has shown to be thus far.

My apologies, I wasn't reading it like a dig at other fans.

 

[Stash]

My apologies, I wasn't reading it like a dig at other fans.

Apparently, a lot of people miss it.

Some people talk down to everyone else on a daily basis.

Seems to be their 'thing'.

 

[Hostile]

Apparently, a lot of people miss it.

Some people talk down to everyone else on a daily basis.

Seems to be their 'thing'.

Hell, I do that.

Or was that meant to be directed at me?

I need sleep.

 

[Stash]

Hell, I do that.

Or was that meant to be directed at me?

I need sleep.

I don't think you do.

It wasn't directed at you.

 

[Hostile]

I don't think you do.

It wasn't directed at you.

I don't do it to everybody, but I certainly am guilty of it. I try to balance it against being nice. I don't always succeed I know.

 

[Stash]

I don't do it to everybody, but I certainly am guilty of it. I try to balance it against being nice. I don't always succeed I know.

None of us do.

But you're reasonable most of the time and you know your stuff.

I can respect that.

 

[Wood]

1st and 3rd or Bobby Carpenter.....hmmm tough choice.

 

[Hostile]

I want to make one final comment on this. Part of the price paid is directly due to role.

Whether people like or not, understand it or not, accept it or not...Doug Free has always been the off season focus of this team as the LT.

That is why Flo is gone. That is why Gaither is not here. That is why Brown is not here. That is why Barron is.

Alex Barron is seen as a low risk, high reward option that cost very little to acquire.

Yes, Dallas inquired about Brown, but that was before they acquired Barron. The asking price for Gaither was always higher than what Dallas was going to play for a backup player.

Free is the starter. That is the plan, that has always been the plan.

 

[jnday]

There is no question that Brown is a much better player. If this question was asked before Barron became a Cowboy , 99% of the people asked would have said the same. Cowboy fans ( myself included ) seem to think any player wearing a star is somehow better just because he is a Cowboy. It was only a few months ago that fans were hoping that the Cowboys could sign Gaither or Brown. I`ve never read that anybody had Barron on their wish list. The Commanders made a good trade . I wish it would have been the Cowboys. The o-line has been the Cowboys downfall in the recent playoff games . Brown could have come in and started this year. Barron can start , but I think the you-tube clips are a good indication as to what the results will be.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Barron was on a bad team so the jury is still out in my opinion.

 

[dbair1967]

From 'gems' like this one:





Brown is a two-time Pro Bowler and to date Barron has been a disappointment.

I hope Barron becomes a better player in Dallas, but Brown has shown to be thus far.

Nothing I said about him wasnt true, and if he was really good the Saints almost assuredly wouldnt be getting rid of him, especially since Drew Brees IS their offense and protecting him the best they can has to be their #1 priority.

He's had his moments, good and bad. He has not played at a consistently high level and there were times when he has played very poorly.

 

[Stash]

Nothing I said about him wasnt true, and if he was really good the Saints almost assuredly wouldnt be getting rid of him, especially since Drew Brees IS their offense and protecting him the best they can has to be their #1 priority.

He's had his moments, good and bad. He has not played at a consistently high level and there were times when he has played very poorly.

Everything you said about him wasn't true. He is a Pro Bowl talent - twice in fact.

Brown is hardly a bigtime probowl talent, as some of the people in this thread seem to think.

He's had his moments, good and bad.

Seems alot of folks forget the "B" word was used a good bit with him early, and for whatever reason (attitude, work ethic, injury, maybe all of them) the Saints coaching staff doesnt seem to have a very high opinion of him. The fact that they believe a guy who was a human turnstile in the game we played against them last yr (as well as a couple other games late in the yr) is just as good, if not better than Brown should say alot.

Not to mention the fact that you were the first guy to bash the thought of the Cowboys trading for Alex Barron in the original thread it was mentioned.

And now you try to downgrade Brown because the Commanders got him and not the Cowboys.

The Homer is clearly showing Mr Simpson.

 

[dbair1967]

Everything you said about him wasn't true. He is a Pro Bowl talent - twice in fact.

I never disputed that he never made a probowl, I said he wasnt a yr in and yr out probowl calibar player and that the "B" word was bantered about with him for a little while. Also, just because a guy makes a probowl doesnt mean he's an elite player, as people on here so commonly point out with not only other teams' guys, but some of ours too.

Not to mention the fact that you were the first guy to bash the thought of the Cowboys trading for Alex Barron in the original thread it was mentioned.

And now you try to downgrade Brown because the Commanders got him and not the Cowboys.

The Homer is clearly showing Mr Simpson.

I've never claimed anywhere that Barron was a better player than Brown. In fact I was rather excited about the potential of trading for Brown around the draft, especially if he was an insurance policy. I'm not bashing Brown now because he's a Commander, I'm saying he isnt an elite player, as some on here want to make him out to be. He has his question marks as well.

In regards to Barron, I did say he was a bust in St Louis (and clearly he was a disappointment) but for the role in which we brought him here for, and for what we gave up to get him, it was a quality add. We got a multiple year starter at LT & RT for a scrub we were going to release anyway, and said player was brought here to be the swing tackle on game days. Had we given up draft picks for Barron (as the Commanders did for an oft-injured, up and down player like Brown) I wouldnt have liked the addition so much.

There's no "homer simpson" here. Some of you people get way too carried away when someone disagrees with you. Maybe Brown will be healthy and motivated and play at a high level for the Skins, if so it was a good deal for them. But the fact that Sean Payton and their offensive coaching staff kicked him to the curb is telling IMO.

 

[dbair1967]

Scouting Report: Jammal Brown
June, 21, 2010 Jun 2111:53AM ETEmail Print Comments170 By Matt Mosley
BrownAs promised, I spoke to several NFL talent evaluators about new Commanders offensive tackle Jammal Brown this morning. Everyone agrees that he's a talented player, but there's been concern about his durability going all the way back to his time at Oklahoma. He missed the '09 season for the Saints with hip and sports hernia injuries. Now he claims to be 100 percent healthy.

Here's what a veteran AFC scout had to say about Brown this morning via text:

Size and athleticism...good feet, can slide and has good range off edge, but not a power player. Average at point of attack bulk strength. More finesse in run game than push and drive. Gives the Commanders an athlete that can pass protect and move his feet with experience and solid stater ability. But he can be challenged with anchor and can have some trouble at times with stunts and twists in space.

And that last part was a common theme in the conversations I've had this morning. Brown's a good player, but when he has to make "sudden" decisions, he's prone to mistakes. As we talked about Sunday, though, he's definitely an upgrade for the Skins' offense line if he's healthy.

 

[Stash]

I never disputed that he never made a probowl, I said he wasnt a yr in and yr out probowl calibar player and that the "B" word was bantered about with him for a little while. Also, just because a guy makes a probowl doesnt mean he's an elite player, as people on here so commonly point out with not only other teams' guys, but some of ours too.

Oh please. You came off with the line 'Brown is hardly a bigtime Pro Bowl talent' when the facts are that he is - more than once in fact. But again, because he went to the rival Commanders, he's now garbage.

I've never claimed anywhere that Barron was a better player than Brown. In fact I was rather excited about the potential of trading for Brown around the draft, especially if he was an insurance policy. I'm not bashing Brown now because he's a Commander, I'm saying he isnt an elite player, as some on here want to make him out to be. He has his question marks as well.

Well, guess what, that's the title of this thread - Barron or Brown. And you are bashing him because he's now a Commander, whether you can see it or not.

In regards to Barron, I did say he was a bust in St Louis (and clearly he was a disappointment) but for the role in which we brought him here for, and for what we gave up to get him, it was a quality add. We got a multiple year starter at LT & RT for a scrub we were going to release anyway, and said player was brought here to be the swing tackle on game days. Had we given up draft picks for Barron (as the Commanders did for an oft-injured, up and down player like Brown) I wouldnt have liked the addition so much.

'Multiple year starter'? How so? Barron hasn't signed any type of extension with the Cowboys. And the Commanders gave up one draft pick - a conditional pick based on what they have to give the Eagles for McNabb. We've wasted less on the Jacob Rogers of the world.

There's no "homer simpson" here. Some of you people get way too carried away when someone disagrees with you. Maybe Brown will be healthy and motivated and play at a high level for the Skins, if so it was a good deal for them. But the fact that Sean Payton and their offensive coaching staff kicked him to the curb is telling IMO.

And some of 'you people' can't stand the fact that anyone who doesn't wear a star on their helmet might actually be a good player. And then you have to tell everybody how they should think along the way.

There are two reasons why Brown was available:

1) Injury concerns

and

2) Contract demands

The Commanders rolled the dice that he'll be healthy and if so they're willing to pay to keep him.

Worst case, they gave up a draft pick to find out.

Unlike some, I can give others credit for a nice trade.

 

[Stautner]

Barron was on a bad team so the jury is still out in my opinion.

The fact he was on a bad team makes him look even worse to me. The Rams desperately need quality players so the fact that they felt they didn't need Barron doesn't look so hot to me.