all bias aside.....skins pro bowlers

[AJM1613]

LMAO. So how do you explain us having 4, or eagles only having two? The probowl is about who had the best season. Pierce did, no questions about it. You're an eagle fan, and are slanting you views toward your players. Should have had 11....puhlease!

Pierce and Trotter will both be sitting home watching playoff games in week 18. The difference? Trotter will be playing the next week. I would say Trotter had the better season.

The Eagles don’t have two Pro Bowlers, they have nine. McNabb, Thomas, Owens, Trotter, Lewis, Dawkins, Sheppard, Akers, and Reese.

I think they should have eleven because there are at least eleven players on the team that deserves to go to the Pro Bowl. The defense leads the league in sacks, and there is only one member of the front seven in the Pro Bowl (Trotter), and no one on the defensive line. Through 8 weeks, we led the league in sacks. No starter from that period is in the game. So obviously Kearse and Simon were snubbed.

Griffin deserved to make it over Glover, but if it was between Glover and Simon, it should have been Simon. He had more sacks (5.5 to 5) and stuffs (3 to 2.5) for more yards (44 to 33.5). They also both face similar double teams, and both play the same position.

The other player that should have made it is Westbrook over Green. He had more yards, touchdowns, receptions, a higher receiving average, and the same rushing average. The only things Green had more than Westbrook were rushing yards and rushing attempts. Also, Green runs behind the second best line in the league.

I don’t know if Michael Lewis should have made the Pro Bowl, but if not him, who?

And there is no doubt me being an Eagles fan affects my judgment. Just like the three 10+ page threads about how Pierce should have made the Pro Bowl over Trotter that you have been reading over at “Extreme Skins”, just like your team and hatred for the Eagles clouds your judgment.

Remember, the Seahawks are the best team in the NFC.

 

[Tio]

Pierce and Trotter will both be sitting home watching playoff games in week 18. The difference? Trotter will be playing the next week. I would say Trotter had the better season.Why? Because his team played better? Because his offense isn't anemic? It isn't pierce's fault that his team sucks despite his great play.

The Eagles don’t have two Pro Bowlers, they have nine. McNabb, Thomas, Owens, Trotter, Lewis, Dawkins, Sheppard, Akers, and Reese.I meant last year, when they only had two despite a 12-4 record.

I think they should have eleven because there are at least eleven players on the team that deserves to go to the Pro Bowl. The defense leads the league in sacks, and there is only one member of the front seven in the Pro Bowl (Trotter), and no one on the defensive line. Through 8 weeks, we led the league in sacks. No starter from that period is in the game. So obviously Kearse and Simon were snubbed.Kearse and Simon collectively had a better season than kerney and his starting dt, or rogers and his starting de, but seperatly there is no way they had the better season. Heck, ellis deserves to go over kearse.

Griffin deserved to make it over Glover, but if it was between Glover and Simon, it should have been Simon. He had more sacks (5.5 to 5) and stuffs (3 to 2.5) for more yards (44 to 33.5). They also both face similar double teams, and both play the same position.Ok, glover didn't have as good of a season, he didn't deserve it. I admit that one of my team's star players were outplayed, can you?

The other player that should have made it is Westbrook over Green. He had more yards, touchdowns, receptions, a higher receiving average, and the same rushing average. The only things Green had more than Westbrook were rushing yards and rushing attempts. Also, Green runs behind the second best line in the league.RUNNING back. Westbrook is great in your pass happy offense, but he isn't a featured back and thats why he didn't get in.

I don’t know if Michael Lewis should have made the Pro Bowl, but if not him, who?That safety in arizona had a good year. But lewis was the best SS in the NFC, but next year it won't be a question when ROy gets to play there.

And there is no doubt me being an Eagles fan affects my judgment. Just like the three 10+ page threads about how Pierce should have made the Pro Bowl over Trotter that you have been reading over at “Extreme Skins”, just like your team and hatred for the Eagles clouds your judgment.I hate the Commanders a lot more than the eagles. I lurk over extremeskins everyday and wishing I could embarass them in debates. They have the most homeristic opinions ever.

Remember, the Seahawks are the best team in the NFC. Yeah, and LJ smith is better than Witten.

There ya go....:iggles:

 

[AJM1613]

Why? Because his team played better? Because his offense isn't anemic? It isn't Pierce's fault that his team sucks despite his great play.

How has he played “great”? I definitely wouldn’t say that. In the six games that Trotter played, he outplayed Pierce. Obviously, between that and the better record/previous Pro Bowl appearances, the coaches and players thought Trotter deserved it more. He turned the defense around by himself; do you attribute all of Washington’s defensive success to Pierce?

I meant last year, when they only had two despite a 12-4 record.

We had three, Simon, Vincent and McNabb. At most of the other positions, the players split time with other players and no one else deserved to go. Staley, Westbrook, and Buckhalter shared the carries, Sheppard, Brown and Taylor all started games at cornerback, and Dawkins was out for nine games. The team wasn’t nearly as dominate last season, on offense or defense. Still, Vincent got to go because of the team’s success, he didn’t deserve it because he missed so many games.

Kearse and Simon collectively had a better season than Kerney and his starting defensive tackle, or Rogers and his starting de, but separately there is no way they had the better season. Heck, Ellis deserves to go over Kearse.

I would say Coleman also had a better season than Simon, 9.5 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, an INT TD, and 5 stuffs? So if Kearse and Simon had a better season than Kerney and Coleman, but Coleman clearly had the better season than Simon, Kearse had the better season than Kerney? And no, Ellis isn’t on the same level of Kearse.

Okay, Glover didn't have as good of a season, he didn't deserve it. I admit that one of my team's star players were outplayed, can you?

I did, Simon didn’t deserve the Pro Bowl, Coleman or Griffin did. Lewis wasn’t exactly a Pro Bowl player this season. I didn’t expect Tra Thomas to get too much consideration.

RUNNING back. Westbrook is great in your pass happy offense, but he isn't a featured back and that’s why he didn't get in.

So Faulk’s 81 receptions in 2000 didn’t have anything to do with him being the league MVP? His 8 receiving touchdowns? What about his 830 receiving yards? He only had 1359 yards rushing that season. A running back shouldn’t be judged on just running. How is he not a feature back? We’re featuring him pretty well.

That safety in Arizona had a good year. But Lewis was the best SS in the NFC, but next year it won't be a question when Roy gets to play there.

Okay. Him, Archuleta or Sharper.

I hate the Commanders a lot more than the eagles. I lurk over Extreme Skins everyday and wishing I could embarrass them in debates. They have the most homeristic opinions ever.

But you still read what they had to write about this situation, all 30+ pages of it. Also, when a team is as bad as the Commanders and the Eagles are the better team, the hatred tends to swing.

Yeah, and LJ Smith is better than Witten.

I don’t think I ever said that. I said they were in the same class, and I am still saying that. When a team only has one (or two) legitimate receiving options, they are overworked and catch more balls. Witten is having the better season, but I still have to see.

Do you know how hard it is to respond to a post when you type it like that?

 

[jimmy40]

Eh, I have a hard time getting worked up about it.

Seriously, though, there's not a lot of "standouts" or big names on that defense. Just a lot of solid guys who do a good job.

I also think they get the benefit of an inept offense, so teams don't try to do to much against them... just play ball control knowing if they can score 17 the game is over.

They may be a top-rated squad, but I don't think they put the fear of God into anyone the way a Baltimore defense does.

Just like our defense last year?

 

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How has he played “great”? I definitely wouldn’t say that. In the six games that Trotter played, he outplayed Pierce. Obviously, between that and the better record/previous Pro Bowl appearances, the coaches and players thought Trotter deserved it more. He turned the defense around by himself; do you attribute all of Washington’s defensive success to Pierce?

Well, thats your bias showing. Simple as that. Pierce has 32 tackles in the last six games. Trotter has 7 more at 39. Pierce has 1 int and trotter has 0 Pierce has 1 FF and trotter has none. Trotter has 1 sack and pierce has 0. I wouldn't say pierce has been outplayed. And I don't care if he did turn around your defense. Thats a testiment of how weak your LB crew was before him.

We had three, Simon, Vincent and McNabb. At most of the other positions, the players split time with other players and no one else deserved to go. Staley, Westbrook, and Buckhalter shared the carries, Sheppard, Brown and Taylor all started games at cornerback, and Dawkins was out for nine games. The team wasn’t nearly as dominate last season, on offense or defense. Still, Vincent got to go because of the team’s success, he didn’t deserve it because he missed so many games.3 or 2, it doesn't matter. They individually didn't have probowl seasons, simple as that.



I would say Coleman also had a better season than Simon, 9.5 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, an INT TD, and 5 stuffs? So if Kearse and Simon had a better season than Kerney and Coleman, but Coleman clearly had the better season than Simon, Kearse had the better season than Kerney? And no, Ellis isn’t on the same level of Kearse.
I wasn't thinking of coleman, sorry. So kerney and coleman collectively had a better season than kearse and simon. Happy now?


I did, Simon didn’t deserve the Pro Bowl, Coleman or Griffin did. Lewis wasn’t exactly a Pro Bowl player this season. I didn’t expect Tra Thomas to get too much consideration.
Ok then.


So Faulk’s 81 receptions in 2000 didn’t have anything to do with him being the league MVP? His 8 receiving touchdowns? What about his 830 receiving yards? He only had 1359 yards rushing that season. A running back shouldn’t be judged on just running. How is he not a feature back? We’re featuring him pretty well.
There is a big difference between what faulk did, and what westbrook did.



Okay. Him, Archuleta or Sharper.



But you still read what they had to write about this situation, all 30+ pages of it. Also, when a team is as bad as the Commanders and the Eagles are the better team, the hatred tends to swing.I honestly only read the first 2 pages. Im not gonna spend an hour reading that whole thread. And no, I hate Sean Taylor more than dawkins, fred smoot and shawn springs more than shepard and brown. The only thing I really can't stand about your team is mcnabb and to.



I don’t think I ever said that. I said they were in the same class, and I am still saying that. When a team only has one (or two) legitimate receiving options, they are overworked and catch more balls. Witten is having the better season, but I still have to see.Take a good look at Wittens numbers. Than get back to me. I guess we'll see what SMith is about these next two games without TO.

Do you know how hard it is to respond to a post when you type it like that?I know, but do you know how easy it is to type it?

:iggles: Im not gonna be able to post for a wile ajm, the holidays and all..

 

[dargonking999]

Does anyone here think that the skins should have more than 1 guy there?......OLB.......

C.Griffin is the 4th alternate and he's been the top player on the defense.....

maybe they should but the bottom line is there are more talented people in the NFC so its not about who should go, but who has the eaiset postion to get in

 

[KINGBRICE_28]

I'm not going to argue the pierce>trotter thing because it's useless........Rather than be an eagles homer why don't you be honest.........The eagles are still weak against the run, just not right up the middle now. Pierce stuffs the run everywhere and plays the pass very well.......He's not 1 dimensional like trotter......

Next time I start an " un-biased" thread please don't bother reading because you obviously are straying off topic and not being honest.......

 

[Tio]

I'm not going to argue the pierce>trotter thing because it's useless........Rather than be an eagles homer why don't you be honest.........The eagles are still weak against the run, just not right up the middle now. Pierce stuffs the run everywhere and plays the pass very well.......He's not 1 dimensional like trotter......

Next time I start an " un-biased" thread please don't bother reading because you obviously are straying off topic and not being honest.......

I gotta defend AJM here. Most of the time he is very honest about his team and very blunt with his debates. He definately brings a lot to this board in the rival debating department. Ofcourse, he would be of no use if I haven't been banned from ES for 3 months now!:skins:

 

[KINGBRICE_28]

Ok then....... we are all homers for our own team some time or another.......no knock on you personally though AJ......

 

[KINGBRICE_28]

http://www.extremeskins.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=banghaha&file=index

AJ.....bang made this one just for you..........Blue christmas....lol.....

 

[AJM1613]

Well, that’s your bias showing. Simple as that. Pierce has 32 tackles in the last six games. Trotter has 7 more at 39. Pierce has 1 INT and trotter has 0 Pierce has 1 FF and trotter has none. Trotter has 1 sack and pierce has 0. I wouldn't say pierce has been outplayed. And I don't care if he did turn around your defense. That’s a testament of how weak your LB crew was before him.

Trotter has nine stuffs for 19.5 yards and one sack for 8 yards, Pierce has 1.5 stuffs for 2.5 yards, 2 interceptions and a forced fumble on the season. If you compare those numbers, they’re not too far off. Going from 130.6 yards per game (4.73 yards per carry) to 83.5 yards (3.53 yards per carry) with the addition of one player? Simoneau must have been a god awful middle linebacker.

3 or 2, it doesn't matter. They individually didn't have Pro Bowl seasons, simple as that.

You do remember that we didn’t even clinch the division away from you until week 17? Through 14 games, we were only 11-3…that isn’t exactly miles ahead of everyone else like we are this season. Even the 12-4 in 2002 was more “convincing”.

I wasn't thinking of Coleman, sorry. So Kerney and Coleman collectively had a better season than Kearse and Simon. Happy now?

I would still say Kearse deserved it over Kerney, but it doesn’t matter.

There is a big difference between what Faulk did, and what Westbrook did.

I’m not claiming that he is an MVP candidate, but receiving yards, touchdowns and catches should count in Pro Bowl consideration, even if it doesn’t already.

I honestly only read the first 2 pages. I’m not going to spend an hour reading that whole thread. And no, I hate Sean Taylor more than Dawkins, Fred Smoot and Shawn springs more than Sheppard and brown. The only thing I really can't stand about your team is McNabb and TO.

What’s wrong with McNabb? I understand TO, the offensive line and Trotter…but why McNabb?

Take a good look at Witten’s numbers. Than get back to me. I guess we'll see what Smith is about these next two games without TO.

Witten is having a lot better season than Smith and is the better tight end. I also think that Smith would have put up similar numbers if he was in your offense and had a 41 year old quarterback who can’t give himself anymore time. I think we will just have to leave it at “Witten is the better tight end, is having the better season, and is more deserving of the Pro Bowl (obviously).” Okay?

I know, but do you know how easy it is to type it?

Understandable.

I'm not going to argue the pierce>trotter thing because it's useless...Rather than be an eagles homer why don't you be honest.........The eagles are still weak against the run, just not right up the middle now. Pierce stuffs the run everywhere and plays the pass very well...He's not 1 dimensional like trotter...

How are they still weak against the run? As I said earlier, 83.5 yards per game? 3.53 yards per carry? Also, how is Trotter one-dimensional? He isn’t great in coverage, but when he was here before he was our nickel middle linebacker…Okay in coverage.

Next time I start an " un-biased" thread please don't bother reading because you obviously are straying off topic and not being honest...

Somehow, Trotter made the Pro Bowl, most likely voted in by unbiased people. You can argue about how your player deserved to be in the Pro Bowl, that doesn’t always show bias, but when you claim that someone who thinks their player who is already in the Pro Bowl deserves to be in the Pro Bowl is bias, you might want to check that. If I said Simoneau deserved to be in the Pro Bowl…well…

Remember, Trotter did start over Pierce last season.

 

[KINGBRICE_28]

Well......as for the 2 that pretain to me I'll agree to disagree..........I think pierce played better and I think that the entire defense as a whole for the eagles improved. MLB rarely stops a RB in the flat and often takes on the lead blocker and GU. It was a team effort and probably a minor scheme change that improved the run defense. As for the bias of the pro bowl roster, it is a popularity contest. Rarely does a player who came out of knowwhere in a non-skill position get in. EG: M. washington, J. Porter. Usually players who have been voted in the pro bowl in the past hold that rep. and are voted for again next year even if they aren't worthy........For example warren sapp........I just think that a high % of the eagles fan base voted this season.

Either way , he's in , and I"M NOT ......

 

[Tio]

Well ajm it is a matter of opinion. Me, id rather have the backer that makes plays in the passing games as well as the running and creates turnovers. Im sure you are happy with trotter and believe me, Id love to have him. I don't know why we are debating, since we can't see eye to eye and I am not even that passionate of the subject.