All Jerry hate...

[Hostile]

I don't see how that statement disproves anything Hos said. He said he makes the final decision, but obviously before that happens there is a process that happens. I would venture to say that the process goes down pretty much how Hos described it and than Jerry makes the final decision. That's how I read it.

Exactly right.

 

[MagicMan]

You said Jerry is not a personnel guy and he has stated directly that he is. I'll take his word over your conjecture.


“The night I bought it, I said I would be doing what I’m doing and that’s GM the team and making the final decisions on personnel,” he said. “That’s the way it’s always been done. We’ve won three Super Bowls doing it that way, so I’m going to do it again.”

yep, the beauty of the forum is we can all make believe. Cheaper than therapy thats for sure.

 

[Hostile]

yep, the beauty of the forum is we can all make believe. Cheaper than therapy thats for sure.

So you beleive Jerry analyzes football talent?

I guess that makes you right about that statement. Glad you saved your dough.

 

[Wolfpack]

I didn't say Tom is the GM. I said GM is a title. Tom is in charge of personnel.

His plan for building the team is to ask Garrett what he needs and wants and do what he can to find it for him. His words, not mine.

You can either accept that the masses are wrong about how football teams are run or learn. Entirely up to you.

The Red pill makes .500 football look like middle of the road football.

The Blue pill makes .500 football look like one more year from glory.

16 years later.....We each choose our own ways.

No other NFL team is run like the Cowboys. Bengals being the only close one so dont try to say this is normal for the NFL.

 

[Hostile]

The Red pill makes .500 football look like middle of the road football.

The Blue pill makes .500 football look like one more year from glory.

16 years later.....We each choose our own ways.

No other NFL team is run like the Cowboys. Bengals being the only close one so dont try to say this is normal for the NFL.

I'll take this as you don't want to know the truth.

No sweat. We can agree to disagree.

 

[Zordon]

I don't see how that statement disproves anything Hos said. He said he makes the final decision, but obviously before that happens there is a process that happens. I would venture to say that the process goes down pretty much how Hos described it and than Jerry makes the final decision. That's how I read it.

Call him whatever you like but is it fair to say I would like someone else making that final decision?

 

[CyberB0b]

I don't see how that statement disproves anything Hos said. He said he makes the final decision, but obviously before that happens there is a process that happens. I would venture to say that the process goes down pretty much how Hos described it and than Jerry makes the final decision. That's how I read it.

His premise is that Jerry shouldn't get the load of the blame he gets the problem is that HE makes the final decision. There is nothing done unilaterally at Valley Ranch, but the man at the top gets the lion's share of the blame.

 

[Hostile]

Call him whatever you like but is it fair to say I would like someone else making that final decision?

He won't sell the team. All owners have the true final say. To believe otherwise is akin to believing in Santa. By all means do so if it helps you keep your tired agenda alive.

 

[Hostile]

His premise is that Jerry shouldn't get the load of the blame he gets the problem is that HE makes the final decision. There is nothing done unilaterally at Valley Ranch, but the man at the top gets the lion's share of the blame.

I have never said you can't blame Jerry.

Not once.

I've basically said you guys romanticize the GM title looking for scapegoats.

 

[Zordon]

He won't sell the team. All owners have the true final say. To believe otherwise is akin to believing in Santa. By all means do so if it helps you keep your tired agenda alive.

That is true but do all owners enact on that power? not the smart ones.

 

[CyberB0b]

I have never said you can't blame Jerry.

Not once.

I've basically said you guys romanticize the GM title looking for scapegoats.

How is he a scapegoat when he is the man at the top? He makes the final decision. Period.

 

[visionary]

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In case no one noticed, Mike Fisher in his interview with Jason Garrett commented on how deeply involved in personnel decisions Garrett is.
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So then Garrett is directly responsible for this OL disaster?
Can't have it both ways


See, this is the true beauty of this "group decision making"farce
Everyone is involved so everyone is responsible

Therefore, no one is responsible because "we were all involved"

Near perfect excuse

Well done

 

[TwoDeep3]

So you beleive Jerry analyzes football talent?

I guess that makes you right about that statement. Glad you saved your dough.

There are a goodly number of people who do the analyzing of football talent. The team has a board meeting and each presents their case.

Jerry makes the final decision.

That has been said so many times by people in the organization, people who have been in the organization including Switzer, and people in the Landry organization, specifically Gill Brandt.

So J.J. Watt is an example. There was someone telling the GM this is the guy they need to draft. But someone else was more persuasive about the offensive line.

Now I have no issue with Tyron. But in the big scheme of things, and considering the offensive line play, and a big dose of after the fact, the team may have been better off taking Watt.

But the person who did the scouting put a bug in Jerry's ear and HE made the decision on Smith .

No one has ever disputed Jerry listens to all, then he makes the call.

Except a few that want to argue in favor of the now fifteen years of mediocrity since the *influence* of Jimmy Johnson and his talent eye left Valley Ranch.

* influence, meaning players Jimmy and his staff selected.

 

[Trajan]

So then Garrett is directly responsible for this OL disaster?
Can't have it both ways


See, this is the true beauty of this "group decision making"farce
Everyone is involved so everyone is responsible

Therefore, no one is responsible because "we were all involved"

Near perfect excuse

Well done

Beautiful system isn't it ?

 

[Hostile]

So then Garrett is directly responsible for this OL disaster?
Can't have it both ways


See, this is the true beauty of this "group decision making"farce
Everyone is involved so everyone is responsible

Therefore, no one is responsible because "we were all involved"

Near perfect excuse

Well done

I put more of it on him, yes. I never shrink from the truth. I have told you guys for years I want him to have the credit and the blame and I will give Jerry none of the credit when we start winning and we will. The OL is the last piece of the puzzle and only the purposely blind deny that.

 

[Hostile]

There's a video I saw recently that blows you guys theories away. Hell, what does that matter? Did Rob Ryan praise Jerry for the talent he acquired to fill in for injuries.

Purposely obtuse is your "reality." Enjoy it.

 

[Hostile]

That is true but do all owners enact on that power? not the smart ones.

Of course they do. Dude, Jeffrey Lurie didn't give the okay to sign Mike Vick until his wife was okay with it.

Why do you believe a stupid fairy tale that these guys invest hundreds of millions of dollars to have no say? That's stupid.

 

[Hostile]

How is he a scapegoat when he is the man at the top? He makes the final decision. Period.

Yeah, you focus on the word scapegoat instead of what I said about the title. You can't talk around me. So don't try.

 

[Doomsay]

Yep, which doesn't even matter. In case no one noticed, it was Tom Ciskowski, not Jerry Jones, that Rob Ryan credited multiple times this year for getting him pieces to fill in on Defense.

In case no one noticed, Mike Fisher in his interview with Jason Garrett commented on how deeply involved in personnel decisions Garrett is.

In case no one noticed, in Babe Laufenberg's report from Training Camp (which I had not seen until recently), it was Tom Ciskowski who broke down his responsibilities and basically proved he is the person who does what most want from a GM.

In case no one noticed, Tex Schramm, the best GM in the History of the NFL, did not do the things people want of a GM here in Dallas. That was Gil Brandt and Tom Landry. Tex was the businessman, the media mogul, etc.

In case no one noticed Bob Ackles, Larry Lacewell, and Jeff Ireland all did the same job before Ciskowski.

That title is a fan witch hunt. Jerry is not the personnel guy. Never has been. It has always been his coaches and scouts led by one man, currently Ciskowski.

Being hung up on the title is a way to feel great about nothing.

I agree, I don't think anyone noticed.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Of course they do. Dude, Jeffrey Lurie didn't give the okay to sign Mike Vick until his wife was okay with it.

Why do you believe a stupid fairy tale that these guys invest hundreds of millions of dollars to have no say? That's stupid.

Most people don't live in the real world of business. You don't invest hundreds of millions and not have any say in what's being put on the field. I can't believe some people are that dumb or live in a fantasy world where they think someone who spends hundereds of millions to just let someone else manage it. Makes no sense and completely out of touch with reality. I can't believe anyone actually believes that the GM if any sports team has full control and that the owner doesn't step in with final decisions. I know if I spent that kind of money I would want final say and a damn good reason why I am writing the check to get that guy.