Am I the only one who thinks Todd Bowles will do a good job?

[Skin]

Funny how so many of these 'puppets' have become successful coaches in this league, no?

Other than Payton (who stopped in for a cup of coffee, by the way), who recently? Mo Carthon?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Can't believe that anymore. Parcells is painted as a dictator, who won't allow any input, everyone suggests that he hamstrings everyone under him and forces them to do things his way, but I don't believe it for a second. I believe the people under him have enormous influence on what goes on on the field every sunday. The offense we saw run here was Payton's, and the defense was Zimmers'.

What do you mean it was Payton's? It was the same Don Shula offense Parcells has run forever. Payton had to adapt to Parcells, not the other way around.

And on Parcells' general perception... You think the control freak image has no truth at all? That he really gives his coaches as much authority as any other head coach? He might give a guy like Dan Henning authority, because he knows him and they run the exact same system and have the same philosophy anyway. But anyone outside of his trusted circle? No way. Haley and others have said that you have to be extremely persuasive to get him to ever accept an idea.

And the idea that Parcells controlling everything is merely an untrue rumor borne of his gruff persona at press conferences? No way. There's way too much evidence to the contrary.

 

[Doomsday]

It Doesnt Matter, Bp Runs The Whole Team, You Could Have Mickey Mouse In There, It All Depends On Bill

Hey man dont go selling Mickey Mouse short he showed some real promise at times.

 

[superpunk]

he has parcells ear because thats the only way he'd have a job. parcells only picks his coaches that he can manipulate. why do u think people like payton, carthon, and zimmer were so quick to leave when better things came.

Do you mean like every assistant coach in the history of forever? Somehow in your clever post you forgot that Zimmer was offered 1.5 mil to coach Nebraska, even though the 3-4 was being "forced" upon him by Hitler himself. I can't believe you mentioned Payton, as though there is a horde of assistant coaches turning down head coaching gigs to stay with their head coach. Eric Mangini anyone? And Carthon has been summarily fired from Cleveland.

It all makes so much sense.

 

[Eddie]

Pasq used to coach a 3-4 in college did'nt he? Might be the closest we get.

No, Syracuse ran the 4-3 while he was there.

 

[LatinMind]

Do you mean like every assistant coach in the history of forever? Somehow in your clever post you forgot that Zimmer was offered 1.5 mil to coach Nebraska, even though the 3-4 was being "forced" upon him by Hitler himself. I can't believe you mentioned Payton, as though there is a horde of assistant coaches turning down head coaching gigs to stay with their head coach. Eric Mangini anyone? And Carthon has been summarily fired from Cleveland.

It all makes so much sense.

im hoping u did notice the state nebraska was in when they offered him the job. getting beat 77-0 by texas tech? lol not very enticing. he got paid 1 mil to stay in dallas in the nfl the main stage. who wouldnt stay? he also turned down the raiders job. just because coaches are offered a hc job doesnt mean its a better situation. look at pioli

thanks again

 

[wileedog]

Other than Payton (who stopped in for a cup of coffee, by the way), who recently? Mo Carthon?

Parcells has one of the most successful coaching trees ever other than maybe Walsh.

No, not all of them succeed (Carthon, Groh), but a good many do.

Its still too early to look at our current staff, but considering that only 2 (3 now with Zimm gone) have moved on to other places and one of them is the probably Coach of the Year this year, thats a pretty good start.

And Payton had zero cred before hooking up with Parcells. He was the guy who was stripped of play-calling duties by Fassel mid-season. Do you think he was really on *anyone's* radar for a HC position 3 years ago?

 

[wileedog]

funny how they have while under parcells they failed. thats really the funny thing isnt it? once they got out from parcells blanket they flourished. thanks for proving my point

Payton failed here?

And your point was that Parcells only hires people that he can manipulate, not talented coaches.

Pick an argument and stick with it.

 

[superpunk]

What do you mean it was Payton's? It was the same Don Shula offense Parcells has run forever. Payton had to adapt to Parcells, not the other way around.

It's the same offense the Giants ran before Payton came here. He has adapted it in New Orleans for Reggie Bush, but it's basically the same now, too - just a more competent QB running it.

And on Parcells' general perception... You think the control freak image has no truth at all? That he really gives his coaches as much authority as any other head coach? He might give a guy like Dan Henning authority, because he knows him and they run the exact same system and have the same philosophy anyway. But anyone outside of his trusted circle? No way. Haley and others have said that you have to be extremely persuasive to get him to ever accept an idea.

Yeah. I think there's zero truth to it. Head coaches do not have the time to design plays, and do coordinator stuff. You don't get as far as Parcells has by stifling your coordinators.

And the idea that Parcells controlling everything is merely an untrue rumor borne of his gruff persona at press conferences? No way. There's way too much evidence to the contrary.

Such as?

 

[wileedog]

Pasq used to coach a 3-4 in college did'nt he? Might be the closest we get.

I think Bowles coached with the Jets 3-4 for a bit.

 

[Skin]

Parcells has one of the most successful coaching trees ever other than maybe Walsh.

No, not all of them succeed (Carthon, Groh), but a good many do.

Its still too early to look at our current staff, but considering that only 2 (3 now with Zimm gone) have moved on to other places and one of them is the probably Coach of the Year this year, thats a pretty good start.

And Payton had zero cred before hooking up with Parcells. He was the guy who was stripped of play-calling duties by Fassel mid-season. Do you think he was really on *anyone's* radar for a HC position 3 years ago?

I said "recent." The bloom had come off Payton's rose, but he had worked for Andy Reid and Fassel. Purcells gave him cred, but that doesn't cut much ice with me. A great reputation doesn't mean one is still great at anything.

 

[superpunk]

im hoping u did notice the state nebraska was in when they offered him the job. getting beat 77-0 by texas tech? lol not very enticing. he got paid 1 mil to stay in dallas in the nfl the main stage. who wouldnt stay? he also turned down the raiders job. just because coaches are offered a hc job doesnt mean its a better situation. look at pioli

thanks again

What an absolute mess of an argument. Generally, teams looking for head coaches are a mess. That's why they need head coaches. Yet, Zimmer turned these teams down to stay with Parcells, even if he was free to go. Wow. Under such a tyrannical, stifling yoke - wouldn't he take ANY opportunity to get out from under that?

I'm guessing no, because it doesn't fit the Parcells is a dictator who listens to noone agenda.

I'm surprised Payton took over the 2-14 Saints, given your above reasoning. But I'm sure, in THAT case, that he did it to flee Parcells' tyranny.

 

[wileedog]

I said "recent."

Then check back with me in 5 years to see where guys like Haley, Sparano, Bowles etc are. I'll tell you then.

BTW Gibbs did a pretty good job in NO too with some very average talent.

Purcells gave him cred, but that doesn't cut much ice with me.

Shocking.

 

[LatinMind]

What an absolute mess of an argument. Generally, teams looking for head coaches are a mess. That's why they need head coaches. Yet, Zimmer turned these teams down to stay with Parcells, even if he was free to go. Wow. Under such a tyrannical, stifling yoke - wouldn't he take ANY opportunity to get out from under that?

I'm guessing no, because it doesn't fit the Parcells is a dictator who listens to noone agenda.

I'm surprised Payton took over the 2-14 Saints, given your above reasoning. But I'm sure, in THAT case, that he did it to flee Parcells' tyranny.

lol like belichek did aswell . i know u thinkparcells is god but damn theres so much more

 

[Skin]

What an absolute mess of an argument. Generally, teams looking for head coaches are a mess. That's why they need head coaches. Yet, Zimmer turned these teams down to stay with Parcells, even if he was free to go. Wow. Under such a tyrannical, stifling yoke - wouldn't he take ANY opportunity to get out from under that?

I'm guessing no, because it doesn't fit the Parcells is a dictator who listens to noone agenda.

I'm surprised Payton took over the 2-14 Saints, given your above reasoning. But I'm sure, in THAT case, that he did it to flee Parcells' tyranny.

Zim might have also figured he'd be next in line to coach the Cowboys after Purcells left. If you recall, most folks thought he wouldn't be here any longer than three years.

 

[wileedog]

i know u thinkparcells is god but damn theres so much more

Key sign you are losing an argument is when you go the extremist route.

 

[superpunk]

Zim might have also figured he'd be next in line to coach the Cowboys after Purcells left. If you recall, most folks thought he wouldn't be here any longer than three years.

That's a definite possibility, but it's also pure speculation. I wold have to say, if Zimmer turned down two head coaching gigs based on the hope he could coach the Dallas Cowboys someday, with nothing in writing - that's pretty dumb. And I don't think Zimmer's dumb.

 

[LatinMind]

Key sign you are losing an argument is when you go the extremist route.

nope its just a reality check. some people just think parcells does no wrong. and nomatter what u throw at them, they will try every excuse in the world to cover him.

 

[Skin]

Then check back with me in 5 years to see where guys like Haley, Sparano, Bowles etc are. I'll tell you then.

BTW Gibbs did a pretty good job in NO too with some very average talent.


Shocking.

Good point on Haley, Sparano and Bowles. They might turn out to be the shiznit.

Guess what, everyone gets old and ineffective. If you guys want to hold onto the hope that Bill Parcells is leading us to the promised land, good for you. I suggest you will be disappointed. I hope I'm wrong, but I think Purcells is a shell of his former self and not capable of getting this team over the hump. If you have evidence to the contrary, let me know.

 

[wileedog]

nope its just a reality check. some people just think parcells does no wrong. and nomatter what u throw at them, they will try every excuse in the world to cover him.

I could say the same in reverse.

You are being presented with ample evidence that Parcells does, indeed, hire talented coaches. Not all of them, but more than most HCs.

If you want to say that Parcells is terrible at drafting O-lineman, or that Spears is looking like a mistake, or perhaps Carpenter should have gotten on the field sooner, or TO should have been more in the gameplan against Seattle I'll join the chorus.

But mindlessly repeating the "Parcells stifles his coaches and only hires puppets he can manipulate" mantra with no evidence to support it makes you look a tad hypocritical.