Am I the only one who thinks Todd Bowles will do a good job?

[wileedog]

Guess what, everyone gets old and ineffective. If you guys want to hold onto the hope that Bill Parcells is leading us to the promised land, good for you. I suggest you will be disappointed. I hope I'm wrong, but I think Purcells is a shell of his former self and not capable of getting this team over the hump. If you have evidence to the contrary, let me know.

Fair enough, he may very well flame out next year.

I'm willing to give him one more shot mostly because I want the kids to have another year in the same system and see if some of them flourish before I declare the whole thing dead.

 

[Skin]

That's a definite possibility, but it's also pure speculation. I wold have to say, if Zimmer turned down two head coaching gigs based on the hope he could coach the Dallas Cowboys someday, with nothing in writing - that's pretty dumb. And I don't think Zimmer's dumb.

It is pure speculation and with no evidence to the contrary, everyone is speculating.

Zimmer is not dumb. Heck, a lot of folks might think that being the DC for the Dallas Cowboys is better than being the head coach at Nebraska, so maybe that's why he stayed. Maybe he stayed because he was allergic to corn, hogs and the color red. Who knows? From what I hear, Zim is a complete jerk himself, so maybe he saw Purcells as a kindred spirit. I don't care why he stayed or didn't stay, that doesn't solve the problem of having a 65 year-old coach who can't decide whether he's in or out.

Everybody gets old. I just don't think this BP incarnation has what it takes to get us over the hump.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

It's the same offense the Giants ran before Payton came here. He has adapted it in New Orleans for Reggie Bush, but it's basically the same now, too - just a more competent QB running it.

I'm not completely familiar with Payton's offensive history outside of working with Chucky and Fassel, but I know Parcells didn't scrap the offense he said he's run forever and let Payton install a new system with new terminology. Hell, Parcells even called the plays himself the first year.

Now maybe Fassell happened to run basically the same offense as Parcells... I'm not sure. If so, that was a happy coincidence -- or maybe it helped Parcells' decision to hire Payton in the first place. But I know Parcells didn't give Payton the autonomy to scrap Parcells' system. So I guess we just disagree.

Yeah. I think there's zero truth to it. Head coaches do not have the time to design plays, and do coordinator stuff. You don't get as far as Parcells has by stifling your coordinators.

Of course Parcells doesn't literally do *everything*, or there'd be no need for assistant coaches at all. They have to run drills, carry out practice, etc. But not every head coach gives the same amount of authority to his assistants, and in this case, Parcells is the general and they are lieutenants. They basically carry out his orders.

Now, that's not always a bad thing, of course. You can't have too many cooks in the kitchen. But do I think Parcells keeps a tighter rein on his coordinators than most? Of course. That's hardly an outrageous comment.

Such as?

I have to do darn work right now so I can't search for news stories , but I know they're out there. How about JJT saying that Parcells called a lot of the defenses? How about the change to the 34 to begin with? How about blitzing a lot less than we did once we installed Parcells' 34?

 

[Idgit]

Parcells has been really high on this guy for a while. He was also really high on Sean Payton. Zimmer was a very good DC, but just wasn't that great with the 3-4. I predict that both Dallas and Atlanta will have top 10 defenses next year.

You're not the only one. Most of us are just waiting for the howlers to tire themselves out.

 

[superpunk]

I'm not completely familiar with Payton's offensive history outside of working with Chucky and Fassel, but I know Parcells didn't scrap the offense he said he's run forever and let Payton install a new system with new terminology. Hell, Parcells even called the plays himself the first year.

Now maybe Fassell happened to run basically the same offense as Parcells... I'm not sure. If so, that was a happy coincidence -- or maybe it helped Parcells' decision to hire Payton in the first place. But I know Parcells didn't give Payton the autonomy to scrap Parcells' system. So I guess we just disagree.

I'll offer one example. How big a part of Parcells' offense before he came here was the WR screen? Maybe he used it before, but that always seemed to me a Payton staple that he still uses in New Orleans. When I watch New Orleans, I see our offense last year with superior talent especially at QB. It's not like Payton left and finally got to spread his wings - he just got players who executed the plan better. It's the same offense, better execution. On the contrary, Payton left, our offense changed as well, pretty drastically, and it got MUCH better. So, either Parcells finally got to run HIS offense upon getting rid of Payton, or Sparano, Palmer and Haley are running theirs, the players are executing it better. Either way, how can you help but be encouraged by that?

Payton's wonder-year in New Orleans is often used as evidence of Parcells holding coordinators back, but that's completely nonsensical. New Orleans has nothing to do with Dallas, and our vastly improved, different offense is evidence of that. Parcells is letting somebody do something - otherwise where did the change come from?

Of course Parcells doesn't literally do *everything*, or there'd be no need for assistant coaches at all. They have to run drills, carry out practice, etc. But not every head coach gives the same amount of authority to his assistants, and in this case, Parcells is the general and they are lieutenants. They basically carry out his orders.

Now, that's not always a bad thing, of course. You can't have too many cooks in the kitchen. But do I think Parcells keeps a tighter rein on his coordinators than most? Of course. That's hardly an outrageous comment.

I have to do darn work right now so I can't search for news stories , but I know they're out there. How about JJT saying that Parcells called a lot of the defenses? How about the change to the 34 to begin with? How about blitzing a lot less than we did once we installed Parcells' 34?

I can't remember a single time seeing Parcells over there with his call sheet calling plays. Not once this year. The move to the 3-4 is a head coaches purview. That is what he's comfortable with, and had success with. If it had been forced, in a blunt dictatorial manner wouldn't Zimmer have fled when he had the chances? It doesn't add up, from Newman's comments to coaches working with Parcells successfully and having success elsewhere to them still calling him asking for advice and insight.

Those aren't marks of a dictator, who rules with an iron fist.

 

[BlueStar II]

I would prefer someone with 3-4 experience, and I can't help but wonder about how much Parcells will still be pulling the strings anyway if Bowles is the new DC. This will no doubt be rendered a moot point anyway if Parcells decides to leave, although, I'm inclined to think that Parcells will return next year. If Parcells does stay, I really don't expect to see much of a difference in our defense next year no matter who the DC is.

 

[aikemirv]

Do you think there is a possibility that Jerry tells BP that he would like a more aggressive DC and pushes for someone outside the organization?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Do you think there is a possibility that Jerry tells BP that he would like a more aggressive DC and pushes for someone outside the organization?

Well..if what has been reported is true, they did contact Dom Capers to see if he would come and be the DC. Word is Dom turned down the job but many feel he is trying to get on with Miami or another team as HC.

So...it does appear they have looked outside the team at least in this case.

Now I don't know if that was Jerry or Bill...I would think it was Bill in that case.

 

[Doomsday101]

Chances are Dallas is not going to hire a person who is currently a DC. Dallas will be looking at assistant coaches either from within or outside the organization

 

[TNCowboy]

I have very little faith that Bowles could be any better than Zimmer.

In general, the secondary has digressed since he got here.

No thanks.

 

[Idgit]

Do you mean like every assistant coach in the history of forever? Somehow in your clever post you forgot that Zimmer was offered 1.5 mil to coach Nebraska, even though the 3-4 was being "forced" upon him by Hitler himself. I can't believe you mentioned Payton, as though there is a horde of assistant coaches turning down head coaching gigs to stay with their head coach. Eric Mangini anyone? And Carthon has been summarily fired from Cleveland.

It all makes so much sense.

im hoping u did notice the state nebraska was in when they offered him the job. getting beat 77-0 by texas tech? lol not very enticing. he got paid 1 mil to stay in dallas in the nfl the main stage. who wouldnt stay? he also turned down the raiders job. just because coaches are offered a hc job doesnt mean its a better situation. look at pioli

thanks again

What an absolute mess of an argument. Generally, teams looking for head coaches are a mess. That's why they need head coaches. Yet, Zimmer turned these teams down to stay with Parcells, even if he was free to go. Wow. Under such a tyrannical, stifling yoke - wouldn't he take ANY opportunity to get out from under that?

I'm guessing no, because it doesn't fit the Parcells is a dictator who listens to noone agenda.

I'm surprised Payton took over the 2-14 Saints, given your above reasoning. But I'm sure, in THAT case, that he did it to flee Parcells' tyranny.

lol like belichek did aswell . i know u thinkparcells is god but damn theres so much more

It's like listenting to dueling banjos with you two.
Only, only one guy has a banjo, and the other guy doesn't have a banjo and is ********.

 

[windward]

What an absolute mess of an argument. Generally, teams looking for head coaches are a mess. That's why they need head coaches. Yet, Zimmer turned these teams down to stay with Parcells, even if he was free to go. Wow. Under such a tyrannical, stifling yoke - wouldn't he take ANY opportunity to get out from under that?

I'm guessing no, because it doesn't fit the Parcells is a dictator who listens to noone agenda.

I'm surprised Payton took over the 2-14 Saints, given your above reasoning. But I'm sure, in THAT case, that he did it to flee Parcells' tyranny.

To make things worse it's not as if Nebraska was terrible when Zimmer interviewed for the job there. They were coming off a 9-3 finish and a win over Michigan State in the Alamo Bowl. The struggles came in 04 with the intorduction of Bill Callahan and the West Coast Offense for a team suited to running the option

 

[Idgit]

Bumping this.

For my own infantile amusement, but also to give LatinMind more time to finish looking through his stuff to see whether or not he has a banjo.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

SP, as far as the offense goes, I don't think we're talking about the same thing. I'm talking about West Coast vs. Don Coryell vs. etc. offensive schemes. Every offense has screens and fly patterns and all kinds of running plays... The difference is in philosophy and terminology. That's what I was talking about.

Of course, any of them can be tailored to a team's strengths and weaknesses, which Payton is doing a great job of this year.

I can't remember a single time seeing Parcells over there with his call sheet calling plays. Not once this year. The move to the 3-4 is a head coaches purview. That is what he's comfortable with, and had success with. If it had been forced, in a blunt dictatorial manner wouldn't Zimmer have fled when he had the chances? It doesn't add up, from Newman's comments to coaches working with Parcells successfully and having success elsewhere to them still calling him asking for advice and insight.

Those aren't marks of a dictator, who rules with an iron fist.

I'm sorry, you don't think the 34 was forced on Zimmer? It's so well documented that Parcells told Zimmer after the 2004 disaster to learn the 34, because soon it wouldn't be an option.

But as far as Zimmer not leaving immediately, most people would take a cool one million dollars and learn a new system rather than quitting. But it was later reported that Zimmer was probably regretting not leaving for Nebraska when he had the chance.