An interesting debate

[dez_for_prez]

A man already exists who's blood has the ability to cure every known sickness and disease and He is alive today. Did this fact even come up among these 20 somethings?

why do I know so many sick people then?

 

[arglebargle]

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As I said, .. it's telling.

What's telling is we were having an interesting hypothetical discussion, until....


Back to the OP. The more I think about it, the more invasive elements the research required, the more compensation I'd want. If we are talking bone marrow suction, spinal taps, that sort of thing, I'd be reluctant to go one without some decent recompense. If it were just as simple as blood drawing, a lot less. However I would certainly check out the legal ramifications from the get go.

 

[WV Cowboy]

What's telling is we were having an interesting hypothetical discussion, until....

The topic entered this thread very naturally actually, .. and Signals asked a very legitimate question.

OK, .. back to the hypothetical question.

 

[masomenos]

To go back slightly off topic, I have a personal anecdote I'd like to share:

Less than a year ago, my grandmother was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer. She decided against treatment and actually refused to acknowledge the cancer - she simply didn't believe she had it. A few months later the cancer had spread to her adrenal glands and she wasn't expected to live any more than a few months. Those months passed relatively pain free and last week she went in for some imaging to see how the cancer was spreading. But nothing showed up. So, they waited a couple of days and ran the test again. Same result, no cancer was showing up. This week, they did another round of tests to confirm the results and they found no trace of cancer in either her lungs or her adrenal glands. Amazingly, it is just gone.

No treatment, no medicine, no herbs, nothing.

 

[xwalker]

Sure I'd charge them and a royalty. They would likely be interested in my progeny to see is they are part of this amazing cure. I'd advise them to charge for it as well. I'd set my progeny and theirs up for life. I would set up a managing private corporation to oversee the entire operation including working with all those involved. There is no way to produce a cure without significant costs and that's best solved by the private sector and includes a reasonable profit. I would want enough profit to go towards a means for the disadvantaged to be helped in a reasonable way so all could be included in the benefits as needed.

I'd also take some of that money for a trust to benefit mankind in other ways to give back some of my bounty to all. Right now a vaccine for malaria would probably benefit mankind the most so I'd probably set that up and require the major players to cooperate for costs and a meager return as well as a sliding scale for costs of dissemination of the finished product to countries that could not afford it. I would insist on oversight to insure no one profits too much.

This is a very interesting thread.

Excellent post.

My take is that companies will never seek a cure if there is no potential profit.

 

[Tabascocat]

To go back slightly off topic, I have a personal anecdote I'd like to share:

Less than a year ago, my grandmother was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer. She decided against treatment and actually refused to acknowledge the cancer - she simply didn't believe she had it. A few months later the cancer had spread to her adrenal glands and she wasn't expected to live any more than a few months. Those months passed relatively pain free and last week she went in for some imaging to see how the cancer was spreading. But nothing showed up. So, they waited a couple of days and ran the test again. Same result, no cancer was showing up. This week, they did another round of tests to confirm the results and they found no trace of cancer in either her lungs or her adrenal glands. Amazingly, it is just gone.

No treatment, no medicine, no herbs, nothing.

I have heard of these types of stories before. I don't dis-believe for one second that our minds are capable of so much more, it is a very powerful tool that we really don't know how to use it yet.

 

[a_minimalist]

To go back slightly off topic, I have a personal anecdote I'd like to share:

Less than a year ago, my grandmother was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer. She decided against treatment and actually refused to acknowledge the cancer - she simply didn't believe she had it. A few months later the cancer had spread to her adrenal glands and she wasn't expected to live any more than a few months. Those months passed relatively pain free and last week she went in for some imaging to see how the cancer was spreading. But nothing showed up. So, they waited a couple of days and ran the test again. Same result, no cancer was showing up. This week, they did another round of tests to confirm the results and they found no trace of cancer in either her lungs or her adrenal glands. Amazingly, it is just gone.

No treatment, no medicine, no herbs, nothing.

First, I'm happy to hear that your grandmother is okay.

2nd, this doesn't shock me one bit. I'm sure it happens all of the time with people who just don't go and get things checked out. They feel crappy for a while but fight through it until it goes away. Who knows what it was that was ailing them.

I also watched my father fight cancer after being given 2 years to live. He lived way past that until a new medication was introduced for leukemia that he takes everyday. The mind is truly a powerful tool.

 

[Signals]

why do I know so many sick people then?

Begin asking them the right questions and you may find out why they are sick. That is an excellent question though.

 

[theogt]

Begin asking them the right questions and you may find out why they are sick. That is an excellent question though.

lolololololol

 

[dez_for_prez]

Begin asking them the right questions and you may find out why they are sick. That is an excellent question though.

 

[joseephuss]

A man already exists who's blood has the ability to cure every known sickness and disease and He is alive today. Did this fact even come up among these 20 somethings?

I guess he wants too much money.

 

[Eskimo]

I've also heard of other companies that pay you to cut of a toe or a thumb, so that medical students can learn how to put it back on. 30-50k...but still you lose your thumb or toe if they don't get it right.

No, no one would ever be allowed to give up a thumb - far too important for daily function.

I have heard about baby toe, though.

I kind of find it funny since we mostly just get "practice" doing it to real people who have actually cut off their limbs. Only the junior residents and medical students act as surgical assists mostly. For those who will become plastic surgoeons and actually do such procedures, as their skills advance they will also learn to do so on actual people under the supervision of the attending surgeon.

The most invasive thing I did to anyone under such circumstances was just sticking an IV into my fellow students.

Otherwise, no paid subjects for medical procedures in my training.

What we had most simlarly was mock patient histories and volunteers for physicals of sexual organs (i.e. examine a prostate/rectal exam or breast exam). Most of the other aspects of doing physicals we did on each other.

 

[Eskimo]

To go back slightly off topic, I have a personal anecdote I'd like to share:

Less than a year ago, my grandmother was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer. She decided against treatment and actually refused to acknowledge the cancer - she simply didn't believe she had it. A few months later the cancer had spread to her adrenal glands and she wasn't expected to live any more than a few months. Those months passed relatively pain free and last week she went in for some imaging to see how the cancer was spreading. But nothing showed up. So, they waited a couple of days and ran the test again. Same result, no cancer was showing up. This week, they did another round of tests to confirm the results and they found no trace of cancer in either her lungs or her adrenal glands. Amazingly, it is just gone.

No treatment, no medicine, no herbs, nothing.

Most likely cause is the immune system learned to recognize the cancer cells as foreign and destroyed all the cancerous tissue including the metastases (distant spread of the cancer).

There are a few biotech companies out there that have made major progress pursuing a strategy of teaching the immune system how to recognize and destroy cancerous cells. There is at least one such FDA approved treatment already for metastatic prostate cancer.

 

[Future]

Excellent post.

My take is that companies will never seek a cure if there is no potential profit.

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I looked quick, I don't know if that is the right video or not. But I read somewhere that there's a cure and pharmaceutical companies blocked it becuase it couldn't be patented or something....I don't remember all the details.

As for me in this hypothetical...I WOULD GET PAID. Like a boss. Sorry if its immoral but this guy would take his cancer curing platelets and party all over the globe.