An NYG Fan's Take On Their Defense...

MichaelWinicki

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While we moan and groan about the Cowboy defense just read this Giant Fan's opinion on the Giants' defensive ineptitude last night....

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III. The Defense

Where to begin here?

We gave up 45 points. We couldn’t stop the run, rush the passer, or guard their receivers. It was an absolute disaster in all phases of defense. There is absolutely nothing for us to hang our hats on as we pick up the pieces for the rest of the season.

It would be kinda ridiculous for me to cite specifically infuriating plays; after all, most of the plays the Cowboys ran were pretty maddening for the G-Men faithful. But **** it. Here are some plays I can’t stop thinking about:



12:01 in the Second Quarter: 1st and 10 from the Cowboys 44:

Romo fakes the handoff to Marion Barber, then looks downfield to survey the scene before determining that nobody is open. Fortunately for Romo, Barber is wide open on the left side: somehow, outside linebacker Matthias Kiwanuka has lost sight of Barber and has abandoned his responsibility in the left flat.

Barber catches the ball, eludes the out-of-position Kiwanuka, and doesn’t stop running until he’s tackled at the 27. It’s 1st and 10 for the ‘Boys after a 29-yard gain, and it’s the inexperienced Kiwanuka’s fault.

10:06 in the Second Quarter: 4th and 1 from the Giants 18:

Pierce, Butler, and Webster all miss tackles (Butler most egregiously), as Barber bounces an off-tackle run outside and turns the corner for the 18-yard touchdown. 10-6 Cowboys.

4:07 in the Second Quarter: 2nd and 17 from the Giants 12:

Jason Whitten, who killed us all game but especially in the first half (5 catches for 78 yards) leaks into a soft-spot in the zone created by two inexperienced outside linebackers: Kawika Mitchell, who inexplicably drifted away from Whitten, who appeared to be the only man in his zone; and Matthias Kiwanuka, who was too late getting over to make any kind of play on the ball.

Romo zipped a nice throw in there to put the ‘Boys up 17-6.

12:07 in the Third Quarter: 1st and 10 from the Giants 22:

To give some context, it’s not as if Dallas wasn’t gonna score on this possession anyway: On their previous three plays, they had put together gains of 14, 21, and 18 yards.

Still, their touchdown was particularly bewildering.

It looked as if R.W. was in press coverage against T.O. on the right side: he bumped him and then ran with him, understandably a couple of strides behind. Only there was no over-the-top help, and T.O. was wide open to catch the touchdown pass.

Press coverage against T.O. with no safety help in sight? It had to be a blown coverage. Either way, the ‘Boys extender the lead to 24-16.

1:18 in the Third Quarter: 2nd and Goal from the Giants 9:

A strong interior pass rush forces Romo to the outside. Unfortunately, Kiwanuka, who had outside contain responsibility on the play, took an inside angle to Romo and gave up the outside edge. Romo took advantage and ran around the bend for the easy touchdown. Cowboys 31-Giants 19.

11:52 in the Fourth Quarter: 2nd and 11 from the Giants 47:

Once again, Romo has all day to throw. He sits back and hits T.O. dragging across the middle of the field. James Butler misses another tackle, and the Cowboys go up 38-22.

But more than anyone else, it was Gibril Wilson’s fault. Playing underneath, Wilson was way too late to react and get back in his drop zone, which gave T.O. a lot of space to maneuver against the overmatched Butler.

Another easy score for the Pokes.

3:11 in the Fourth Quarter: 3rd and 7 from the Cowboys 49:

The coup de grace.

Romo drops back and hits Sam Hurd on an inside dig. Hurd doesn’t break stride as he streaks to the endzone unmolested (strange phrase, yes).

Who’s fault was this? I don’t know, but it certainly didn’t look like it was R.W.’s fault for getting beaten by half a step on an inside move.

Maybe it was Pierce’s fault – he didn’t get enough depth in his drop zone.

Maybe it was James Butler’s fault – he was nowhere to be found after Hurd caught the ball, and was easily eluded as Hurd took it the distance to bury the G-Men. 45-35, Cowboys.

**

As preposterous as the phrase is might seem after tonight, let me look on the bright side when it comes to our defense:

1) The D was so horrendous, in part, because Osi went down and Strahan was clearly not ready. We’ll see what happens with Osi’s injury, but Strahan should be back in his old form soon. Our pass rush has to get better because it can’t possibly be any worse.

2) The above plays represent the tip of the iceberg, but if you look at these plays, you will notice that many of the culprits were either young or inexperienced guys starting their first games for this team at their respective spots.

James Buter looked bad tonight, but it’s his first start at strong safety; Kiwanuka looked bad, but he’s still learning to be a linebacker; Mitchell is an inside linebacker by trade, and made a critical mistake in his first game as on outside ‘backer; and Gibril is a strong safety playing his first game at free safety.

3) Like many of the players, the scheme is new too. We’ll learn it and get better at executing it. Hopefully, our performance tonight will be as bad as it can possibly get.

The D has to improve. Right? RIGHT?!
 

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Someone needs to tell him how to spell Witten . . . . :)
 

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Fair to say that Kiwanuka is overrated.

I have been saying it for years now. Hopefully some of you recognized how bad he played last night.

In some situations, I thought he was shaving points. Terrible.
 

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SkinsandTerps;1634985 said:
Fair to say that Kiwanuka is overrated.

I have been saying it for years now. Hopefully some of you recognized how bad he played last night.

In some situations, I thought he was shaving points. Terrible.

No it isn't. He'd have to be rated high in the first place in order to be "overrated".

As an OLB I knew he'd suck, therefore, not overrated.


As a DE, he's pretty good though.


You've been saying for Years that Kiwanuka sucks as an OLB? This is his first year at OLB and he was a rookie DE last year.
 

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SkinsandTerps;1634985 said:
Fair to say that Kiwanuka is overrated.

I have been saying it for years now. Hopefully some of you recognized how bad he played last night.

In some situations, I thought he was shaving points. Terrible.

huh? this is his only 2nd year in the league. and he played very well last year.
 

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Kiwanuka at linebacker was an unmitigated disaster. He's not bad at DE, so they should just recognize the mistake and move on.
 

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Kiwanuka is far from overrated. Are you serious? He is playing WAY out of position. He should be a down lineman and rushing the QB, not covering one of the best TEs in the league. Coughlin is embarrassing the poor guy.


Seriously SkinsandTerps - the dumbest post I've read all day.
 

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MrMom;1635007 said:
huh? this is his only 2nd year in the league. and he played very well last year.

No, he didn't. He was pretty much their worst defensive player last night.
 

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Rack;1634995 said:
No it isn't. He'd have to be rated high in the first place in order to be "overrated".

As an OLB I knew he'd suck, therefore, not overrated.


As a DE, he's pretty good though.

He was one of the top DL players coming out BEFORE last college season ( he stayed and paid the price).

I went to a home game 2 years or so ago when he was a DE vs. Rutgers (before they were good). He was getting punked the entire game by the LT. He had to move to the right side to have any impact at all.

They should have made him a 3-4 LB.
 

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SkinsandTerps;1635017 said:
He was one of the top DL players coming out BEFORE last college season ( he stayed and paid the price).

I went to a home game 2 years or so ago when he was a DE vs. Rutgers (before they were good). He was getting punked the entire game by the LT. He had to move to the right side to have any impact at all.

They should have made him a 3-4 LB.

So you saw one game and you're an expert on Mathias Kiwanuka?

Amazing.
 

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MrMom;1635007 said:
huh? this is his only 2nd year in the league. and he played very well last year.

Drink much ?

Crown Royal;1635012 said:
Kiwanuka is far from overrated. Are you serious? He is playing WAY out of position. He should be a down lineman and rushing the QB, not covering one of the best TEs in the league. Coughlin is embarrassing the poor guy.


Seriously SkinsandTerps - the dumbest post I've read all day.

I have been watching this guy for years and as talented as he is he is equally bad. He is another LaVar in a different position... Well now the same.

He was abused by the Cowboys last night alone.
 

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MichaelWinicki;1634950 said:
11:52 in the Fourth Quarter: 2nd and 11 from the Giants 47:

Once again, Romo has all day to throw. He sits back and hits T.O. dragging across the middle of the field. James Butler misses another tackle, and the Cowboys go up 38-22.

But more than anyone else, it was Gibril Wilson’s fault. Playing underneath, Wilson was way too late to react and get back in his drop zone, which gave T.O. a lot of space to maneuver against the overmatched Butler.
It wasn't the exact same play, but how many others had a case of deja vu during that play back to last season when McNabb completes the pass to (I forget the receiver) and Watkins misses the tackle and the guy scored?
 

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Rack;1635025 said:
So you saw one game and you're an expert on Mathias Kiwanuka?

Amazing.

One game ? Did I say that ?

I wouldn't call myself an expert on the guy. But I have seen nearly every college game he played in.
 

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SkinsandTerps;1635033 said:
I have been watching this guy for years and as talented as he is he is equally bad. He is another LaVar in a different position... Well now the same.

He was abused by the Cowboys last night alone.


Of COURSE he was abused - HE IS A LINEMAN PLAYING LINEBACKER. He has no business playing there.
 

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Crown Royal;1635046 said:
Of COURSE he was abused - HE IS A LINEMAN PLAYING LINEBACKER. He has no business playing there.

Leave facts out of this thread please.
 

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Rack;1635049 said:
Leave facts out of this thread please.


I don't know why this is hard to understand. They might as well have put him at CB - he has no business covering Jason Witten. That was one of the silliest things I've ever seen.

I loved Kiwi out of college, but I knew we would never take him because he has ZERO business playing backward/in space.
 

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So what is Roy's excuse ?

See what I mean ?

The guy is NOT a true DE. He is WAY too small to be an effective pass rushing DE in this league, he has NO rush moves to get to the QB on this level. It's pretty sad.

BC makes for great OL not great DL. Look around the league.

Search my history. I have been down on this guy from the time the hype began.
 

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SkinsandTerps;1635060 said:
So what is Roy's excuse ?

See what I mean ?

The guy is NOT a true DE. He is WAY too small to be an effective pass rushing DE in this league, he has NO rush moves to get to the QB on this level. It's pretty sad.

BC makes for great OL not great DL. Look around the league.

Search my history. I have been down on this guy from the time the hype began.

Yawn ...
 
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