An Objective Post by a Garrett Supporter

[Woods]

Seriously, it means NOTHING. Plenty of teams wanted Zimmer. Yet he's still a DC.

Teams right now are all wanting the "hot" thing, which is why I say that ANY coach that doesn't move to a HC job when he is just a coordinator is just plain stupid. Zimmer was dumb to turn down the HC jobs that he was offered. Payton was VERY smart to take the NO job when he did. It's ALL about striking while the iron is hot and too many stories can be told about OC/DC's that didn't and never became a HC.

The only thing that I'm pointing out is that it isn't ONLY Jerry who has interest in Garrett. At least a couple other organizations thought highly of him as well.

 

[ZeroClub]

It's not a matter of dumb, smart, etc...For me, it's a matter of not confusing and or watering down the message of the coach.

The media asks Jerry questions because they know he won't keep his mouth shut.

So for instance, even something as obvious as Barber's penalty...let the coach speak...discipline is very important...and consistency, just as important.

If Garrett wants to approach that from his own perspective, let him do so...

Jones commenting about specific players, etc only makes it that much tougher for the coach who's trying to put his own message out to players.

Think of it this way...how many times did Garrett say about the issue of Barber not wearing a suit, "This is something we are going to handle in house"

Yet here's Jerry blabbing away about individual players, again.

Clearly Garrett wants that stuff IN HOUSE...and Jones is acting contrary to that. And that doesn't help any coach, particularly a young one trying to establish himself with his team.

Yeah. This is a big part of the Jerry problem.

Jerry's unfocused mind and rambling mouth create a wind tunnel of distraction.

It is tough enough to win in a highly competitive league. Harder still to do it when you're in a wind tunnel.

 

[birdwells1]

The only thing that I'm pointing out is that it isn't ONLY Jerry who has interest in Garrett. At least a couple other organizations thought highly of him as well.

Yeah that was after th 2007 season. Atlanta and Baltimore were two of the teams that wanted him but do you think they would trade the coaches they have now for him? No way.

 

[morasp]

Anything this team does good next year will be a pleasant surprise for me. In other words I have no expectations what so ever.

The offensive line has been a disaster since I can remember. We finally won a play off game last year and against the Vikings it got exposed badly. Our big offseason move was to cut Flo, sign Alex Barron, and resign Holland. Now we have two quarterbacks out due to injury and were down to our last healthy one.

Watching the NFL network before the game I got reminded what it was like when we were winning when they showed our super bowl years. It's been so long I had forgotten. The team today and the teams back then are like night and day.

Jerry basically said on his pre game interview that he will keep buying the groceries because he has to eat them. I don't see why we should expect any other results than what we've seen the past fifteen years.

 

[CoCo]

And he hired Parcells, and turned over the decision making to him (regardless of what he says publicly)

So it was Bill who wanted Henson, Ware, and TO? Hmmm. Not based upon what I've read.

I believe Jerry completely when he says he and Bill shopped groceries together. I think he did the same with Wade, and will do so with Wade's successor.

That's not to say that Bill didn't have tremendous influence. Obviously he did. Just saying it was not a dictatorship nor should it be going forward. But it won't be disproportionate towards Jerry either IMO. I think he actually has a good sense of balance on personnel now with his coaches & scouts.

What I desperately want Jerry to change is his blabbering to the media and this sense of undermining his HC in some situations.

 

[CoCo]

Forgive my rambling, but let me just roll it out there and see if anyone feels this way besides me.

What I like about Garrett:

*Our guy - not a retread
*Young guy - potential to be a long term solution
*From all reports highly organized
*Smart guy
*Good communicator
*Football blood line - both as a player, and family of coaches etc.
*Done a great job as an offensive coordinator - I know there are haters and my response is who cares what you think... look at the numbers.
*Has done a good job as interim... inherited a 1-7 team and a backup QB.


What I have not liked about Garrett:

*I want to see more control on the sidelines. Does Jason EVER get on to someone in the course of a game? (Barber needed to be disciplined immediately, in my opinion)

*Does Jason EVER question an official or get upset by a bad call (how about the missed face mask in the 1st quarter?)


My gut feel:

1. This team has some major holes that won't be fixed by a coaching change.
2. This team has a fast closing window for the core talent on this team.
3. Jerry Jones has ZERO idea about what to do to fix #1 and #2.
4. If we go big name coach route - we are in this same place a decade from now. (That is my gut feel)

5. If we go Garrett route, at least I HOPE there is some hope long term. He develops, the team develops, and we have a long term future.


I don't know if Jerry Jones has it in him to make a smart long term decision. I think he may go "lets make a splash".

After tonight, I don't know what he'll do.

I very muc hagree with your take here except I do think Jerry's going to hang with Garrett. The wild card to me is if the team looks bad in Philly next week.

 

[Woods]

Yeah that was after th 2007 season. Atlanta and Baltimore were two of the teams that wanted him but do you think they would trade the coaches they have now for him? No way.

If JJ doesn't hire Garrett as the HC, I woudn't be surprised if another team didn't.

 

[Givincer]

Honestly, I think "getting on a player" and "getting upset at a call" are probably the most overrated things people want a head coach to do.

I'd rather have a coach who is stern but has a cool head, like Garrett. Is it really going to prevent future idiocy for a grown man to be yelled at by the head coach immediately after doing something stupid? I think it's more a problem with player intelligence than a need to be yelled at.

 

[birdwells1]

If JJ doesn't hire Garrett as the HC, I woudn't be surprised if another team didn't.

Over the last couple of years, other teams have had chances to hire him but they didn't.

 

[Woods]

Over the last couple of years, other teams have had chances to hire him but they didn't.

I think his offense has been generally good during his tenure with the Cowboys. More importantly, I think he's shows potential as a HC.

I think someone will give him a shot. Just my opinion.

 

[forever22]

Yeah that was after th 2007 season. Atlanta and Baltimore were two of the teams that wanted him but do you think they would trade the coaches they have now for him? No way.

Lousy point.

You have no idea how Garrett would have done with those teams and to be fair to Garrett, I don't think they'd trade for Belichick right now either, with the way they are winning.

 

[birdwells1]

Lousy point.

You have no idea how Garrett would have done with those teams and to be fair to Garrett, I don't think they'd trade for Belichick right now either, with the way they are winning.

A 3 time SB winning coach vs coaches that have never been to the SB, yeah they would make that trade in a minute.

 

[RCowboyFan]

Over the last couple of years, other teams have had chances to hire him but they didn't.

Conviniently forgetting when he was offered for sure 2 jobs. And yes, from all account, he was offered 2009, Rams job. So 3 jobs.

But seems like you are back to your Mantra again aren't we., wont deviate from it You carry on...

 

[TD-33]

Jason Garrett is doing nothing more than WADE did,,,,,,Pandering to the Players.....he has not taken control of this team to make it his,,,,just merely mending fences tell the end of the season.....

Pandering to players is not Coaching..

MBIII was the 3rd back vs the Cardinals.

 

[birdwells1]

Conviniently forgetting when he was offered for sure 2 jobs. And yes, from all account, he was offered 2009, Rams job. So 3 jobs.

But seems like you are back to your Mantra again aren't we., wont deviate from it You carry on...

No I didn't forget, did you see my post where I said that Balt. and Atl wouldn't swap their coaches for him even though he was their first choice. He was not offered that job,Spags was the first choice.

When I say other teams I mean all the head coaching openings (14) in last 2 off seasons. Last off season he didn't even get an interview.

 

[Woods]

No I didn't forget, did you see my post where I said that Balt. and Atl wouldn't swap their coaches for him even though he was their first choice. He was not offered that job,Spags was the first choice.

When I say other teams I mean all the head coaching openings (14) in last 2 off seasons. Last off season he didn't even get an interview.

I'll bet he gets several this year if JJ doesn't take him first.

 

[dbair1967]

No I didn't forget, did you see my post where I said that Balt. and Atl wouldn't swap their coaches for him even though he was their first choice. He was not offered that job,Spags was the first choice.

When I say other teams I mean all the head coaching openings (14) in last 2 off seasons. Last off season he didn't even get an interview.

I live in Atlanta, Sparano was not Atlanta's choice, it was going to be Garrett and he pulled himself out. He was definitely getting that job.

And not trading their current coaches for him now means nothing. The fact is both Baltimore and Atlanta (and St Louis by some reports) all offered Garrett their HC job.

And if Jones doesnt hire him here, I'd bet he almost assuredly gets a job elsewhere with all the openings there's gonna be this offseason.

 

[CalCBFan]

I understand your position Lab, and you and I already interacted on Fisher in another thread.

That is what I mean by in the same place in a decade. Jeff Fisher has more .500 and sub .500 seasons as a coach than he does winning ones. Gruden took a Tampa Bay team that was already built and just took it to another level. Then they went downhill.

Parcells was a good hire, but he was on his last leg when we hired him.

Absolutely correct. Could not have said it better myself. This post says it all...

 

[RCowboyFan]

No I didn't forget, did you see my post where I said that Balt. and Atl wouldn't swap their coaches for him even though he was their first choice. He was not offered that job,Spags was the first choice.

When I say other teams I mean all the head coaching openings (14) in last 2 off seasons. Last off season he didn't even get an interview.

Nope, Spags wasn't first choice. But thats here nor there. this past off season, I think Buffalo was the only opening?

Anyway, why I am arguing with you? like I said, you conviniently show up only when Garrett lost big or start threads when he has lost a game he should have won. I am sure thats purely co-incidently... You carry on. I have nothing more to say. I don't have problem with people who don't think Garrett is not HC candidate here ( ala ChoclateLab, for example eventhough I think he is wrong in that notion). Its when people start saying that somehow Garrett call the game properly when Wade was the coach is when it gets idiotic. I would like to know from them, if thats the case what happened to Wade's D, which pretty much gave up giving effort at all? I guess just for thaty reason alone Garrett should HC, since he was able to convince both D and OFfense, when he was OC.

Now, as for you, you carry on. I know nothing will every change your notion or thinking, which is based on sound logic and facts

 

[birdwells1]

I'll bet he gets several this year if JJ doesn't take him first.

You should never operate out of fear, that's the kind of stuff that gets you RW11 and Marion Barber's contract. If someone hires him then so be it, we're not talking about Belicheck are we.