Analysis of Carpenter's performance in Giants Game

sago1

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For those interested in how Carpenter is doing, just took following paragraph off bloggingtheboys.com website by grizz. According to grizz..

On another board, before this game, I was asked about Bobby Carpenter. The short answer was that he needs more strength because he can't take on and get rid of blockers and he also needs to use leverage and explode into blockers instead of standing up high and receiving the blocker. In this game, he looked a little better against the run. He was taking it to the blocker more and using his leverage to push him back, and he worked his way off a block for a nice tackle. His one bad play was on the direct snap to Tiki where he got sealed inside and Tiki had that whole side of the field wide open. But overall, he looked better against the run because he was more aggressive in taking on the blocks.

sago1 followup comment: Some are already labeling Carpenter a bust, but this analysis would seem to indicate that participation in our offseason weight conditioning program would help Carpenter out a lot. Leverage is also something which can be learned and this kid is smart enough to pick that up. While most naturally expect a first rounder to produce right away, seems to me that he will be another one of our guys who produce much more in his second year which is exactly what Burnett is doing and a year before Bradie James did. We've got a very young team and, while Parcells certainly sees this team as having high potential, it's my realistic opinion (but what do I know) that next year is when we really come into our own and win the SB. Not saying we couldn't do it this year, but just think we still have a few weaknesses which need to straightened out.
 

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sago1;1212791 said:
Some are already labeling Carpenter a bust, but this analysis would seem to indicate that participation in our offseason weight conditioning program would help Carpenter out a lot.

I don't buy it. He is already strong and conditioned. He needs to improve his technique, and frankly, he needs to get a mean streak in him. He looks intimidated out there, and I understand that, he's a rookie.

It looks like he's so worried about making a mistake that it's hindering him from making a play. Just play football kid, and worry about the mistakes during film session.
 

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I am watching the Giants game right now also, and Carpenter doesn't look bad at all. He does a good job of standing up his defender and playing runs to his side. And one play which I saw him blitz, he got pretty good pressure on Eli.

I think he'll be a good player. He's just gonna take time like Burnett and James.
 

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I actually think that Carpenter needs to slim down a tad bit, maybe 5 to 7 pounds, it would help his quickness.
 

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jesusphreak;1212805 said:
I am watching the Giants game right now also, and Carpenter doesn't look bad at all. He does a good job of standing up his defender and playing runs to his side. And one play which I saw him blitz, he got pretty good pressure on Eli.

I think he'll be a good player. He's just gonna take time like Burnett and James.

This is my approach. If the Cowboys will get out of Carp what they got out of Bradie, I'd say it's worth the wait. Doesn't make it any easier, though.

Back in August I called Carpenter's move to the inside a bad move. I still believe that. If they'd just let him stick to the outside, worry about his assignments there and learn from D-Ware and Ellis what he could about pass rushing and coverage, we'd be avoiding at least some of the headache right now.
 

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parchy;1212812 said:
This is my approach. If the Cowboys will get out of Carp what they got out of Bradie, I'd say it's worth the wait. Doesn't make it any easier, though.

Back in August I called Carpenter's move to the inside a bad move. I still believe that. If they'd just let him stick to the outside, worry about his assignments there and learn from D-Ware and Ellis what he could about pass rushing and coverage, we'd be avoiding at least some of the headache right now.

One thing I'd like to see James work on is his blitzing. He had ShEli dead in her tracks on sunday, then just ran by her when she put a WEAK arse move on him. I think he threw a TD that play, didn't he? If we're gonna blitz an ILB, I'd rather it be Ayodele.
 

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Rack;1212823 said:
One thing I'd like to see James work on is his blitzing. He had ShEli dead in her tracks on sunday, then just ran by her when she put a WEAK arse move on him. I think he threw a TD that play, didn't he? If we're gonna blitz an ILB, I'd rather it be Ayodele.

I would have also liked to see Bradie haul in that sure INT that hit him in the numbers in the fourth quarter. You've got to come up with those.
 

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parchy;1212829 said:
I would have also liked to see Bradie haul in that sure INT that hit him in the numbers in the fourth quarter. You've got to come up with those.

Bradie has some of the worst hands I've ever seen on a linebacker. He is really good in run support though.
 

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I've been happy to a point with Carpenter the last two games or so.

You hope he'd shake off the blockers, but at least he's not being taken out of plays.

He's holding up at the point of attack and running plays have to go around him to his left, their right. He's stretching out the play and that allows the pursuit an extra second to get into the play.

Of course we want him to blow guys up and eat RBs in the backfield, but he's pretty decent against the run right now. I can't just him against the pass really since I haven't watched him that intently.

I agree with the inside move being stupid, but it was for depth purposes. Makes him more versatile too.
 

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I don't believe many people are calling Carp a bust but what they are saying (and I agree) is that you should expect more of a contribution from a first round pick..James was a 4th rounder but was probably just as far a long as Bobby at the same points in their career...

Now the question comes up who was available at the 18th pick that would have provided a 1st round impact for the cowboys...I don't know... Maroney maybe...but LB was such a question mark heading into the draft I think the Cowboys probably made the right decision...but I would have liked to have traded down and picked up a draft pick or two but maybe the Cowboys tried and there were no takers...

It certainly isn't Bobby's fault for where he was drafted and I think in time he will become a solid player but I don't think he will ever be an impact player but that is okay too most NFL players aren't either...
 

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It is way too early and unfair to judge Capenter thus far. Give him time, just like you gave James, Gurode and a million other players.

Anyone remember how pathetic one Nate Newton was when he first started?
 

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I don't know what he needs at this point, however, I have noticed improvement and that is something
 

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Zaxor;1212849 said:
I don't believe many people are calling Carp a bust but what they are saying (and I agree) is that you should expect more of a contribution from a first round pick..James was a 4th rounder but was probably just as far a long as Bobby at the same points in their career...

Now the question comes up who was available at the 18th pick that would have provided a 1st round impact for the cowboys...I don't know... Maroney maybe...but LB was such a question mark heading into the draft I think the Cowboys probably made the right decision...but I would have liked to have traded down and picked up a draft pick or two but maybe the Cowboys tried and there were no takers...

It certainly isn't Bobby's fault for where he was drafted and I think in time he will become a solid player but I don't think he will ever be an impact player but that is okay too most NFL players aren't either...

I'm not sure if Bobby and B. James were as far along at this same point in their respective careers.

I get the feeling that BP is trusting Carp a bit more. Also, after B. James' rookie year, many felt there was no hope for him. With Carp, many of us feel he just needs another year in the program.
 

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Im thankful he knocked Jacobs out of bounds on the last play of the game. I was still sweating with that one second left on the clock and after seeing how we lost the Commander game I always expect the worse.
 

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We all would love Carp to be the man from day one, but those picks don't happen to often.

Ware was a physical freak that needed time to learn and grow, yes he was DE to OLB, different situation.

Carp is a LB to LB and has the big school coaching and all that, but give him some time in the 3-4 with BP.

No pressure to be a star right away in my opinion.

I think next year we'll see a lot more.
 

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how can rewatching the game broadcast offer a fan any other analysis.

We dont know the plays called.

We are not seeing the coaches film from above and behind.

So rewatching the game does not offer any more info. We have been playing alot of zone coverages, I dont think 99% of us understand what the linebackers roles are.

It is easy to watch the game broadcast and then say Player A did this or PLayer b did that. However we dont know their assignments.

I have watched this game three times already. Doesnt mean I can evaluate defensive players and wouldnt even begin to comment on the offensive line because I guarantee you us fans do not know what is asked on each play.
 

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Woods;1212901 said:
I'm not sure if Bobby and B. James were as far along at this same point in their respective careers.

I get the feeling that BP is trusting Carp a bit more. Also, after B. James' rookie year, many felt there was no hope for him. With Carp, many of us feel he just needs another year in the program.

You are probably right Woods ..if I remember correctly James was a better ST player than he was LB and Carp is the other way around
 

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I really didn't pay specific attention. How was he in coverage?
 

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He stood up an OT on one play and pushed him back into Tiki, resulting in s threee yard loss...that was good.
 

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I am soooo rooting for this guy to come through.

I am glad he is finally getting playing time, that can only help !
 
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