and so our off season of discontent begins

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the only thing constant about the cowboys today is our inconsistancy. will the coach stay? will the coach leave? how many threads will end in argument about why either must happen? did parcells hold back zimmer? will zimmer find peyton like success out from under parcells? will there be a "bowels" movement in the defensive coaching for us? will romo step it up? will romo add one of the bush daughters to his harem? will the defense step up or continue their free for all into the abyss of bad coverage and no intensity? will owens stay or go? will he ever shut up for more than 10 minutes? will the media ever quit dogging him about his bowl farts at 3am? will keith davis make it through the year without getting shot?

unfortunately the vast majority of these questions are valid and lingering. the only common denomonator i see in this is that we lack leadership to make these basic questions go away. in fact, it *is* this leadership that is causing the bulk of the questions by either not answering them or, being that question himself.

will he stay, or will he go? if you don't *know* you want to be the cowboys head football coach, then it's simple. you don't want to be. not to the level that's required to answer the above and move this team forward in a solitary direction. if the coach doesn't know if he wants to be here, why should the players bust their tails week in and week out and commit when their leader can't set the example for all to follow?

remove names and history from the equation. would the record the cowboys have for the last 4 years be enough to make cowboys feel like we're headed in the right direction? would the play of our defense, the supposed speciality of our coach, make you feel like we can stop a good, or even bad, team at a critical time? evidence on the field shows no as it's been proven time and time again.

so it's over. another december meltdown like the 3 before it is all we have to keep us company as we go into another offseason and hope this time around the pieces will fall into place. but will they or are we just being homerfied fans and hoping? 2 years ago i was in a small group of friends who were vocal in that we'd get nowhere with where we were going and it would just be wasted time till we realized that, cut bait, and moved on in life.

today, given the last 4-5 polls i've seen on various sites, over 50% (sometimes over 70%) of the fans and media want parcells gone, or have simply written him off. in 2 years he went from an idolized status who could do no wrong to a majority saying he simply can't do it anymore. if you see the look on his face at the end of the last 2 games and in the press conferences, you would think he agrees in this.

and then he has to have time to decide if he wants what's possibly the most high profile, best job in the world. the coach of our cowboys.

maybe it's me, but if you have to talk yourself into this, then you'll have to force yourself into behaviours needed to succeed and your heart isn't in it. you'll put aside things that need to be done for later because you don't have the intensity needed to get it down NOW. you'll make decisions based on now vs. long term because your overall level of apathy rises and falls in some biorhythm state that seems down all the time.

winners in life know what they want and they know what it takes to get there and they're willing without question or reservation to do it in order to achieve their goals. you can't circumvent the basic set of rules just because you used to win and somewhere along the line put yourself on automatic pilot. granted, parcells on automatic pilot is better than your average coach, but it's not good enough to beat the hungry and driven to win.

it's not good enough to put us over the top and motivate a team. would REMEMBER THE ALAMO!!! inspire the troops in iraq?

we're the dallas freaking cowboys. we're legends in this league and we're noted for doing all we can all the time to win where ever we can. as fans we expect nothing less and demand it time and again. we've got 5 superbowl rings and until recentely that was the best out there. we're slipping. when we look for leadership we get an old man in the corner pondering his life and what's left of it.

if parcells would come out and be the parcells of 10+ years ago i could understand more clearly those who wish to keep him around. but he hasn't been that coach since he got here. he's been the hit, miss, drama queen at the end of every year piece of history that's not helping the team and himself anymore and he needs to - shyte or get off the pot and let someone else let 'er rip.

the cowboys will go as parcells goes and if he doesn't know if he has it in him, well then don't blame the team for asking the very same questions.

they're simply following the lead our leader is putting before them.

so we start this off season again on a rocky road of questions and no answers. the indians are getting more and more restless by the day and the thirst for a champion is only getting stronger and quick exits in the championship games do nothing to saturate this thirst. this city used to be alive with champions running through it, rampant at times, but damn it - we were the dallas freaking cowboys and people feared us coming into town and knew they were in for a fight from start to finish.

now detoit can giggle at us and we simply take it and wonder.

wonder if we have what it takes inside us to go on another year. we've got the talent, it doesn't take "drive" to know a good player when you see him. what we don't have is the hunger and drive to be the best we can be. it is, after all, the question the coach puts before us right after christmas as our off season of discontent begins all over again.

do you want to be here? if you have to think about it, the answer is no.
 

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will he stay, or will he go? if you don't *know* you want to be the cowboys head football coach, then it's simple. you don't want to be.

That's ridiculous, but I understand the sentiment - I think I drank the same brand of crazy last offseason. If I don't know if I want Subway for lunch today, do I not want it? Not knowing means just that - you don't know. It's not sinister code for "I don't want to." I'd much rather have him sit down, go through the offseason motions, and decide he wants to leave - rahter than have him commit, get to July, and have him feel like he should have left.

He's poured alot into this team. It would be foolish to make a knee-jerk decision immediately after a terribly disappointing freak loss. Everyone's freaking out about it, but my guess is that's because there is no other news. The idea is that he's holding the team hostage, ruining any HC prospects that may come up, when the reality is, Bobby Petrino's been hired....and that's it.

I don't care what he does, either way. If he leaves, I'm not gonna mourn too much, because I don't think this team lived up to it's talent this year, and I'd wager alot of coaches could have done the same. If he stays, I'll be happy. Either way, I'm good. I took my elitist "We're the GD Dallas Cowboys!!!!!" stance last year, and this year, it just strikes me as crazy. If you need time to think about a decision that will affect hundreds of other people, take the time. Make the right decision, and take the time so you don't regret it, whatever it is.
 

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superpunk;1308935 said:
will he stay, or will he go? if you don't *know* you want to be the cowboys head football coach, then it's simple. you don't want to be.

That's ridiculous, but I understand the sentiment - I think I drank the same brand of crazy last offseason. If I don't know if I want Subway for lunch today, do I not want it? Not knowing means just that - you don't know. It's not sinister code for "I don't want to." I'd much rather have him sit down, go through the offseason motions, and decide he wants to leave - rahter than have him commit, get to July, and have him feel like he should have left.

He's poured alot into this team. It would be foolish to make a knee-jerk decision immediately after a terribly disappointing freak loss. Everyone's freaking out about it, but my guess is that's because there is no other news. The idea is that he's holding the team hostage, ruining any HC prospects that may come up, when the reality is, Bobby Petrino's been hired....and that's it.

I don't care what he does, either way. If he leaves, I'm not gonna mourn too much, because I don't think this team lived up to it's talent this year, and I'd wager alot of coaches could have done the same. If he stays, I'll be happy. Either way, I'm good. I took my elitist "We're the GD Dallas Cowboys!!!!!" stance last year, and this year, it just strikes me as crazy. If you need time to think about a decision that will affect hundreds of other people, take the time. Make the right decision, and take the time so you don't regret it, whatever it is.

i want parcells going through the motions to know what this team needs.
i want parcells working to get this team ready for next year.
i want parcells talking to coaches about draft prospects
i want parcells evaluating every FA out there, possible trades, watching the games left for info - i want him busting his tail to make this team better.
i want parcells coaching the dallas cowboys day in and day out.

i don't want our "leader" pondering whether or not he wants to do it anymore.

i don't want our "leader" wrapped up in self-induced drama festivals

and i don't want someone who knows their time is short to make long term decisions for this team.

committ or go.
 

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superpunk;1308935 said:
If you need time to think about a decision that will affect hundreds of other people, take the time. Make the right decision, and take the time so you don't regret it, whatever it is.


That's how I feel also. The grind of an NFL season is over, and it must be really draining to be a head football coach, ESPECIALLY for the Cowboys...

Take a few steps back now, do some reflections, see where you are (he has until Feb 1 per Jerra) and then make a decision. Let the fog clear a little, because it's not us fans that have to make that decision, it's Parcells...so let him have some time...it's only been 6 days since the season ended...let him and the team chill for awhile, because this is a decision that you cannot make on the spur of the moment...because if he makes the wrong choice without thinking it completely through, it could end up being the WRONG decision...
 

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5Stars;1308952 said:
That's how I feel also. The grind of an NFL season is over, and it must be really draining to be a head football coach, ESPECIALLY for the Cowboys...

Take a few steps back now, do some reflections, see where you are (he has until Feb 1 per Jerra) and then make a decision. Let the fog clear a little, because it's not us fans that have to make that decision, it's Parcells...so let him have some time...it's only been 6 days since the season ended...let him and the team chill for awhile, because this is a decision that you cannot make on the spur of the moment...because if he makes the wrong choice without thinking it completely through, it could end up being the WRONG decision...

what "fog"? you either want to coach or you don't. you either want to be here, or you don't. if you have to ask yourself EVERY FREAKING YEAR then maybe you should take a step back from that and ask yourself why you gotta keep asking yourself???

know what you want and go get it. period.
 

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iceberg;1308945 said:
i want parcells going through the motions to know what this team needs.
i want parcells working to get this team ready for next year.
i want parcells talking to coaches about draft prospects
i want parcells evaluating every FA out there, possible trades, watching the games left for info - i want him busting his tail to make this team better.
i want parcells coaching the dallas cowboys day in and day out.

i don't want our "leader" pondering whether or not he wants to do it anymore.

i don't want our "leader" wrapped up in self-induced drama festivals

and i don't want someone who knows their time is short to make long term decisions for this team.

committ or go.


It really does not matter what you or I want...can't he just have a few days off? I mean come on...he was at Valley Ranch 24/7 for the whole freaking season...and you won't let him have a few days rest to decide?
 

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5Stars;1308952 said:
That's how I feel also. The grind of an NFL season is over, and it must be really draining to be a head football coach, ESPECIALLY for the Cowboys...

Take a few steps back now, do some reflections, see where you are (he has until Feb 1 per Jerra) and then make a decision. Let the fog clear a little, because it's not us fans that have to make that decision, it's Parcells...so let him have some time...it's only been 6 days since the season ended...let him and the team chill for awhile, because this is a decision that you cannot make on the spur of the moment...because if he makes the wrong choice without thinking it completely through, it could end up being the WRONG decision...

It hasn't even been a week since the one of the most crushing, unexpected losses in the franchises history. I don't think Feb. 1 is an unreasonable deadline.
 

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iceberg;1308960 said:
know what you want and go get it. period.


That easy for you or I to say...but, until you know what is in another persons head...you just don't know...
 

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superpunk;1308935 said:
will he stay, or will he go? if you don't *know* you want to be the cowboys head football coach, then it's simple. you don't want to be.

That's ridiculous, but I understand the sentiment - I think I drank the same brand of crazy last offseason. If I don't know if I want Subway for lunch today, do I not want it? Not knowing means just that - you don't know. It's not sinister code for "I don't want to." I'd much rather have him sit down, go through the offseason motions, and decide he wants to leave - rahter than have him commit, get to July, and have him feel like he should have left.

He's poured alot into this team. It would be foolish to make a knee-jerk decision immediately after a terribly disappointing freak loss. Everyone's freaking out about it, but my guess is that's because there is no other news. The idea is that he's holding the team hostage, ruining any HC prospects that may come up, when the reality is, Bobby Petrino's been hired....and that's it.

I don't care what he does, either way. If he leaves, I'm not gonna mourn too much, because I don't think this team lived up to it's talent this year, and I'd wager alot of coaches could have done the same. If he stays, I'll be happy. Either way, I'm good. I took my elitist "We're the GD Dallas Cowboys!!!!!" stance last year, and this year, it just strikes me as crazy. If you need time to think about a decision that will affect hundreds of other people, take the time. Make the right decision, and take the time so you don't regret it, whatever it is.


I agree with you. Right now there are some teams we could not even talk to about getting a coach, FA does not take place until after the season is done and the scouting department is still working on the upcoming draft. Right now this is a dead time in the NFL for teams who are not in the playoffs. Bill taking some time right now is not preventing the Cowboys from doing anything. This is not an issue for the organization after all Jerry and Bill talked about this weeks ago and Bill will determine what he will do in ample time for this team to either look for a HC or get ready for FA and the draft.
 

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superpunk;1308963 said:
It hasn't even been a week since the one of the most crushing, unexpected losses in the franchises history. I don't think Feb. 1 is an unreasonable deadline.

How can you say this SP? Should the whole team, due to this crushing, unexpected loss go off and contemplate their belly button and decide if they want to play football anymore? What a losers mentality?

I'm with the other guys on this one. I like what Michael Irvin said about Brett Favre last year. If you don't know whether you have the desire to play anymore, then you don't, just quit.

Favre came back this year, had a better year, but where did they finish? .500

What is he doing again right now? Deciding if he wants to play again or not.

This stuff gets old. If you don't know if you want to coach, then don't.

I can't help it, though, I blame Jerry Jones on this one. I know he has another coach in mind, probably one that won't be free until next year, but NEXT YEAR'S SEASON MATTERS TOO! Open doors for talented teams don't stay open forever.

If I knew I had a coach who wasn't energetic and proof positive about the job, I would have another coach, and he (the doubting one) wouldn't be the one holding the cards on the decision.
 

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superpunk;1308963 said:
It hasn't even been a week since the one of the most crushing, unexpected losses in the franchises history. I don't think Feb. 1 is an unreasonable deadline.

This is the time that other teams are hiring coach's and backfilling staff's, we will get the leftovers.

Should we wait 3 weeks into Free angency also to fill needs ?
 

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Doomsday101;1308971 said:
I agree with you. Right now there are some teams we could not even talk to about getting a coach, FA does not take place until after the season is done and the scouting department is still working on the upcoming draft. Right now this is a dead time in the NFL for teams who are not in the playoffs. Bill taking some time right now is not preventing the Cowboys from doing anything. This is not an issue for the organization after all Jerry and Bill talked about this weeks ago and Bill will determine what he will do in ample time for this team to either look for a HC or get ready for FA and the draft.


Parcells was not as successful as we all hoped for, however, I REALLY DOUBT that he will just up and leave the team hanging! I'm sure him and JJ talk and have plans in place in case he stay or goes...(which honestly, I could care less right now)...
 

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5Stars;1308977 said:
Parcells was not as successful as we all hoped for, however, I REALLY DOUBT that he will just up and leave the team hanging! I'm sure him and JJ talk and have plans in place in case he stay or goes...(which honestly, I could care less right now)...

He has done it in the past, that is the reason for my concern.
 

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Jarv;1308979 said:
He has done it in the past, that is the reason for my concern.


I know, and if he does it again?

We have no control over that...we as fans will just have to hope for the best outcome. But, to not give someone a few days vacation after an NFL grind is, well...:eek:
 

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5Stars;1308985 said:
I know, and if he does it again?

We have no control over that...we as fans will just have to hope for the best outcome. But, to not give someone a few days vacation after an NFL grind is, well...:eek:

so take a vacation. haul your happy arse to cancun and stay at the palace resorts for a few weeks. unwind, take it easy and get over the long haul of a season.

i have NO ISSUE with that. what i do have issue with is whether or not someone has the desire to come back.

would you keep following someone (looks like you would) who had no idea what they wanted to do with their time?
 

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so take a vacation. haul your happy arse to cancun and stay at the palace resorts for a few weeks. unwind, take it easy and get over the long haul of a season.

i have NO ISSUE with that. what i do have issue with is whether or not someone has the desire to come back.

would you keep following someone (looks like you would) who had no idea what they wanted to do with their time?


Carry on...

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Jarv;1308976 said:
This is the time that other teams are hiring coach's and backfilling staff's, we will get the leftovers.

Should we wait 3 weeks into Free angency also to fill needs ?

Were we in the Bobby Petrino hunt? Who else is suddenly unavailable?
 

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Jarv;1308976 said:
This is the time that other teams are hiring coach's and backfilling staff's, we will get the leftovers.

Should we wait 3 weeks into Free angency also to fill needs ?

There are some teams that you can't talk with their coaches right now because they are in the playoffs some coaches who coached on losing teams this past season are free to talk.
 

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Doomsday101;1309020 said:
There are some teams that you can't talk with their coaches right now because they are in the playoffs some coaches who coached on losing teams this past season are free to talk.

rex ryan of the ravens is one of 'em. : ) i do wonder if he's even on jerrys radar.
 

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Yeah I havent been ripping BP or anything but I gotta admit I'm not too fond of the "let me think it over" mentality.

It's not we actually *did* just win something and he has to decide the pros and cons of coming back. What would he stand to gain or prove other than risk knocking another 5 years off his life expectancy due to that much more stress. ;)

Theres no question theres work to be done. And even if you do decide you wanna do it, whats to say that a few months from now you wont second guess that if you have doubts about it right now?

Cause you're so strong in your convictions.. err once you make them? Eh.
 
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