and so our off season of discontent begins

[Doomsday101]

rex ryan of the ravens is one of 'em. : ) i do wonder if he's even on jerrys radar.

Rob Ryan and I have no ideal if he is on Jerry list should Bill retire. As for DC I doubt he would make a lateral move and as far as HC he would be a shot in the dark as to having success or not

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

i want parcells going through the motions to know what this team needs.

Well it appears that Jerry has talked with norm just today and they were talking about some moves that might be made (getting roy closer to the LOS and possibly moving Henry to FS)...I doubt Jerry said this without talking to bill some.

i want parcells working to get this team ready for next year.

Each coach is allowed a little time off after the season, Seems Bill has been there, Has looked at film, has been (if rumors are true) contacting some other coaches (Capers and possibly Groh), the team has (re)signed some PS players, they have brought a player in to look at.

i want parcells talking to coaches about draft prospects

Does EVERY coach do this, Do the Majority of Coaches do this...at this very moment? Furthermore are you at valley ranch to actually know if he has or has not done this?

i want parcells evaluating every FA out there, possible trades, watching the games left for info - i want him busting his tail to make this team better.

See above...unless you are at Valley Ranch and know exactly what he is or is not doing...how do you know?

i want parcells coaching the dallas cowboys day in and day out.

Seems he has, seems he has been there since the season ended.

i don't want our "leader" pondering whether or not he wants to do it anymore.

What you want and what you get are two different things. I would rather the man take a few days and be sure...and I believe that mosley said in one of his blogs that jerry said if he wanted and answer tonight he could get that answer

i don't want our "leader" wrapped up in self-induced drama festivals

I have seen more dramas in these NOW NOW NOW threads than what Bill has been doing.

and i don't want someone who knows their time is short to make long term decisions for this team.

committ or go.

Well...you want him to make a decision yesterday but you don't want him making a long term decision. No matter what his decision it is a long term decision.

If he stays Jerry knows to keep things open for candidates next year, if he does not stay Jerry knows to look now.
And somehow I am willing to bet that Jerry already has some plans in place.

I used this picture in another thread and I think it also applies now...

I WANT IT NOW DADDY!!!!

People want everything NOW NOW NOW NOW.

Good Grief the man, by JERRY and his own agreement has time to make his decision and it does not amount to a hill of beans if anyone on here wants it NOW NOW NOW.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

This is the time that other teams are hiring coach's and backfilling staff's, we will get the leftovers.

Should we wait 3 weeks into Free angency also to fill needs ?

at this point, we've only lost 1 coordinator, and we'll be replacing him from within, the offseason doesn't start until Feb. 2, and I don't know about you, but I would rather us speak to coordinators of playoff teams if BP decides to call it quits, the fact of the matter is, we're not missing out on anything right now, or unless Chan Gailey is an appealing HC candidate to you

BP will be deciding in a few days, or that's what the reports are

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Were we in the Bobby Petrino hunt? Who else is suddenly unavailable?

Chan Gailey

OH NO!! we're missing out

and ice, did you really need to start a new thread elaborating on the same thing you've already been saying in others?

 

[iceberg]

I used this picture in another thread and I think it also applies now...

I WANT IT NOW DADDY!!!!

People want everything NOW NOW NOW NOW.

Good Grief the man, by JERRY and his own agreement has time to make his decision and it does not amount to a hill of beans if anyone on here wants it NOW NOW NOW.

nice long diatribe and a total wiff.

i don't want his decision now, i don't want him having to think about it. all the other things i'm not saying he has to do them RIGHT NOW or bp will throw up cute cartoons and make fun of me - not at all.

he signed a contract - he should have made up his mind THEN and THERE he would see it through. i want the conviction and dediation, NOT a decision if he's going to wuss out or not.

if he has to decide then he doesn't know, if he doesn't know then who's to say game 4 into next season, if he comes back, he won't change his friggin mind AGAIN and just not give a damn the rest of the way through. if times get tough i don't want a coach on the sideline not giving a damn cause it's his last year anyway and he's just treading water.

i don't want him to decide now - i want him to quit playing the "do i have the strength to go on" game at the end of every year.

if he has to ask that question then can you blame the players for wondering if they should care if the coach never knows if he does or not? the apathy you see on the field comes from the not knowing.

the "i don't know what's wrong" after a loss and the "i don't know if i can do this anymore" to the team is a distraction on TO levels and proportions yet ya'll make excuses for it. if we're a team quit being the sole focus and shut up and lead.

KNOW you want to do it and then let that confidence spill out to the players so they KNOW their coach is going to stay around because he wants to and is dedicated to giving 100%. KNOW why you're losing and tell people your plan to fix it. NEVER tell the people following you that you have no idea where you're going or you get messes like this.

you missed my point entirely but i'm not totally surprised.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

nice long diatribe and a total wiff.

i don't want his decision now, i don't want him having to think about it. all the other things i'm not saying he has to do them RIGHT NOW or bp will throw up cute cartoons and make fun of me - not at all.

Well you sound like you do want it now, even if your main point is you don't want it to be the issue at all.

Sorry, it was something that Bill and Jerry discussed last year and that was why there is an existing agreement about it and a time frame.

he signed a contract - he should have made up his mind THEN and THERE he would see it through. i want the conviction and dediation, NOT a decision if he's going to wuss out or not.

Come on...I know you are smart enough to know that when a coach and an owner signs a contract that it is not always going to be the case to know what will happen in those coming year or years...and as I said they made an agreement at that time that he would have a time frame to make his decision.

if he has to decide then he doesn't know, if he doesn't know then who's to say game 4 into next season, if he comes back, he won't change his friggin mind AGAIN and just not give a damn the rest of the way through. if times get tough i don't want a coach on the sideline not giving a damn cause it's his last year anyway and he's just treading water.

Better to take a FEW DAYS to decide...instead of making a snap decision.
That happens next season is next season.

i don't want him to decide now - i want him to quit playing the "do i have the strength to go on" game at the end of every year.

What you want is not what you always get.
There is no SHOCK value in this. There was no surprise to Jerry or Bill and honestly to most of the fans here that he would take time to consider.

if he has to ask that question then can you blame the players for wondering if they should care if the coach never knows if he does or not? the apathy you see on the field comes from the not knowing.

The apathy on the field comes from not playing with heart...they have nobody to blame that on but themselves.

the "i don't know what's wrong" after a loss and the "i don't know if i can do this anymore" to the team is a distraction on TO levels and proportions yet ya'll make excuses for it. if we're a team quit being the sole focus and shut up and lead.

And yet if he lied and said anything other than the truth you, and or others, would be complaining about that as well.

KNOW you want to do it and then let that confidence spill out to the players so they KNOW their coach is going to stay around because he wants to and is dedicated to giving 100%. KNOW why you're losing and tell people your plan to fix it. NEVER tell the people following you that you have no idea where you're going or you get messes like this.

you missed my point entirely but i'm not totally surprised.

They will know when he decides..SIMPLE.

And it still boils down to you wanting to know NOW.

If he had already made his decision one day after the game this thread would not be here right now.
If he made it two days ago this thread would not be here right now.

In the end, it really makes no difference what WE want, The Owner/GM and the Coach are the ones that made the parameters last season and they will decide what to do now.

 

[iceberg]

Well you sound like you do want it now, even if your main point is you don't want it to be the issue at all.

Sorry, it was something that Bill and Jerry discussed last year and that was why there is an existing agreement about it and a time frame.

Come on...I know you are smart enough to know that when a coach and an owner signs a contract that it is not always going to be the case to know what will happen in those coming year or years...and as I said they made an agreement at that time that he would have a time frame to make his decision.



Better to take a FEW DAYS to decide...instead of making a snap decision.
That happens next season is next season.



What you want is not what you always get.
There is no SHOCK value in this. There was no surprise to Jerry or Bill and honestly to most of the fans here that he would take time to consider.



The apathy on the field comes from not playing with heart...they have nobody to blame that on but themselves.



And yet if he lied and said anything other than the truth you, and or others, would be complaining about that as well.



They will know when he decides..SIMPLE.

And it still boils down to you wanting to know NOW.

If he had already made his decision one day after the game this thread would not be here right now.
If he made it two days ago this thread would not be here right now.

In the end, it really makes no difference what WE want, The Owner/GM and the Coach are the ones that made the parameters last season and they will decide what to do now.

if it makes no difference in what we want, then wow - i guess we should just close up all forums and quit talking about it - i mean, what difference does it make?

we disagree on the root of the problem. time will let us know hopefully who was right. i think his self-induced drama is part of our distration problems much like TO's issues are.

you say business as usual.

i say if the coach doesn't give a damn, why should the players, you say the players should give 100% anyway. i still say human nature outweighs most other aspects and if your leader has no idea where he's going, that has a direct impact on who's following.

you think otherwise.

that in itself i don't see a big deal in, but i reserve the right to care enough about the team (even if more than parcells) to talk about it online with friends, whether it makes a difference or not.

there's not a right or wrong in this one bp, just how we feel about it. rationalizing doesn't do much good in times like this cause we can both do it and still be on other ends of the spectrum.

i'll stand by what i said - as long as bp is our coach, we won't win a playoff game. when he gets around to finding his heart, he can prove me wrong if he likes.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

when he gets around to finding his heart, he can prove me wrong if he likes.

you should hope he proves you wrong, being a Cowboy fan

 

[iceberg]

you should hope he proves you wrong, being a Cowboy fan

i hope he does. but so far he's just proven me right in what i think he'll do. and since i don't think he'll ever get us to the superbowl, it's an exersize in frustration to see him so lost on the sidelines.

as a cowboy fan i can hope every move is a nugget from the heavens and will see us through. i hoped campo would do it till we could tell he couldn't. same for gailey.

when do you quit "hoping" and when do you let what you see guide you vs. what you want it to be?

i've seen enough - and it's time to end the 'hope'. if he comes back and wins the superbowl next year, i'll be glad to eat the crow.

till then i just hope we can all get along and talk openly w/o ridicule for how we feel about it.

yea, i think that has a better shot than us winning w/bp. : )

 

[Viper]

the only thing constant about the cowboys today is our inconsistancy. will the coach stay? will the coach leave? how many threads will end in argument about why either must happen? did parcells hold back zimmer? will zimmer find peyton like success out from under parcells? will there be a "bowels" movement in the defensive coaching for us? will romo step it up? will romo add one of the bush daughters to his harem? will the defense step up or continue their free for all into the abyss of bad coverage and no intensity? will owens stay or go? will he ever shut up for more than 10 minutes? will the media ever quit dogging him about his bowl farts at 3am? will keith davis make it through the year without getting shot?

This sounds like the introduction to SOAP, starring Billy (Crystal) Parcells!

 

[iceberg]

This sounds like the introduction to SOAP, starring Billy (Crystal) Parcells!

tune in tomorrow for "As the Parcells Turns!!"

 

[5Stars]

tune in tomorrow for "As the Parcells Turns!!"

I don't like that show! Go to channel 708...a much better show.

"As The Iceberg Melts"

It don't have a very happy ending...

:

 

[iceberg]

I don't like that show! Go to channel 708...a much better show.

"As The Iceberg Melts"

It don't have a very happy ending...

:

it's global warming man - i'm telling you!

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I just can't figure out the difference. We all knew this wouldn't be a give in answer. Same as last season. I don't see a problem with him taking a few weeks to get the inner answer. Ice, you just want him gone, you have never hidden that and you have your reasons. If you didn't I doubt you would have a problem with him thinking this through.
I know all your thoughts on this issue, I really do. I agree with some and dispute others. Personally I'm glad he's looking at the situation, before he decides.
I like some of what he has done here. I think if he comes back he will have the "I can do more" mentality. I like that.
Parcells isn't the kind of guy who will do this just for the pay check. If any one thinks that is what this is about they know nothing. No one can deny how much time and effort he puts into his job. If he stays, my guess is that won't change.
I hope he stays one more year my self, I can take one more year of personnel up grades on this team, then let the next coach ride the wave.

 

[5Stars]

it's global warming man - i'm telling you!

Yeah, right!

Come here to Utah and step outside right now! You will freeze your iceballs off!

And that is no joke!

 

[Viper]

I started a similar thread a few days ago, Coach’s Mindset!

This team has the coach’s mindset. Unfortunately, Parcells’ mindset lacks fire, desire and heart. Once again Jones, the players and the fans will sit, waiting for big Bill to decide if he wishes to return for another season. As he recharges his batteries, everyone will wonder if he is coming back. Well, if you don’t have that fire, that desire or the heart to coach this team than I don’t want you back!

Once again Bill has to check his heart, while the players wait to see if he cares enough to return. As he contemplates retirement again, the players are left wonder if he has their back. Will he take a break, than jump onto another team as he has done so often before? Why can’t he look this team in the eye, say you played your hearts out but we came up short. We’ll get them next year!

Once again this team needs to wait on Bill’s hiatus, hoping he has the desire to coach them. As they wait, he shows his lack of desire to coach this team. He has no serious commitment to this team when you’re on a year to year basis. Why can’t he look the team in the eye and say, I’m hear for the long all? We will get this done!

Once again this team lacks the fire in Bill’s belly, as they wait for him to scream, this is my team, there is no way I won’t be back! Where is the fire you had for the giants coach? The fire you had when you walk the sidelines! This Bill isn’t the same coach that coached years ago.

 

[needforspeed]

if it makes no difference in what we want, then wow - i guess we should just close up all forums and quit talking about it - i mean, what difference does it make?

we disagree on the root of the problem. time will let us know hopefully who was right. i think his self-induced drama is part of our distration problems much like TO's issues are.

you say business as usual.

i say if the coach doesn't give a damn, why should the players, you say the players should give 100% anyway. i still say human nature outweighs most other aspects and if your leader has no idea where he's going, that has a direct impact on who's following.

you think otherwise.

that in itself i don't see a big deal in, but i reserve the right to care enough about the team (even if more than parcells) to talk about it online with friends, whether it makes a difference or not.

there's not a right or wrong in this one bp, just how we feel about it. rationalizing doesn't do much good in times like this cause we can both do it and still be on other ends of the spectrum.

i'll stand by what i said - as long as bp is our coach, we won't win a playoff game. when he gets around to finding his heart, he can prove me wrong if he likes.

I remember when the story first broke. BILL PARCELLS was coming to coach the Cowboys. I could scarcely believe it. After Dave Campo and Chan Gailey (not necessarily in that order), my beloved Cowboys were getting a "real" head coach. I couldn't wait for Bill to get to town and take charge.

Four years later, I can't wait for Bill to leave town. I am so disappointed in his performance here. Watching him on the sidelines in December caused me to believe that he couldn't lead hungry wolves to meat. And do you know why Bill can't lead this team anymore? Because the players aren't buying what Bill is selling. It appears to me that the players have lost all confidence in Parcells' game plans. Once that happens, it's extremely difficult to regain the trust that was lost.

I think that if Parcells stays, we'll see an open rebellion in the locker room; complete with finger-pointing and name-calling. This team will look like the Giants and the Commanders rolled into one.

For all of the loyal residents of the Cowboy Nation, Bill, do us a favor. Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

 

[Frosty]

unfortunately the vast majority of these questions are valid and lingering. the only common denomonator i see in this is that we lack leadership to make these basic questions go away. in fact, it [/B]*is* this leadership that is causing the bulk of the questions by either not answering them or, being that question himself.

will he stay, or will he go? if you don't *know* you want to be the cowboys head football coach, then it's simple. you don't want to be. not to the level that's required to answer the above and move this team forward in a solitary direction. if the coach doesn't know if he wants to be here, why should the players bust their tails week in and week out and commit when their leader can't set the example for all to follow?

Jerry Jones said it best after the Phily game on christmas...it indicts the organization from TOP down....no leadership.....so what will he do to show leadership...?

 

[iceberg]

I just can't figure out the difference. We all knew this wouldn't be a give in answer. Same as last season. I don't see a problem with him taking a few weeks to get the inner answer. Ice, you just want him gone, you have never hidden that and you have your reasons. If you didn't I doubt you would have a problem with him thinking this through.
I know all your thoughts on this issue, I really do. I agree with some and dispute others. Personally I'm glad he's looking at the situation, before he decides.
I like some of what he has done here. I think if he comes back he will have the "I can do more" mentality. I like that.
Parcells isn't the kind of guy who will do this just for the pay check. If any one thinks that is what this is about they know nothing. No one can deny how much time and effort he puts into his job. If he stays, my guess is that won't change.
I hope he stays one more year my self, I can take one more year of personnel up grades on this team, then let the next coach ride the wave.

you're right, dave. but know me a little deeper like you do and you know i don't normally just banter about because of something personal. i hated TO with a white hot passion of a thousand dying suns and when he came here, i set it aside to let him go his own way and make his own direction. i didn't prejudge him and i take things as they come and interpret them as they come.

my dislike for parcells is that i see him taking us the wrong way. i don't see a level of committment in him we need in someone who's going to lead a franchise we all want. to me, the "oh, i don't know" is so very harmful to those around him.

"i don't know" - in reply to what's wrong after a game.
"i don't know" - in regard to why the team isn't playing well.
"i don't know" - in regard as to when he wants to come back.

"i don't know" to me is the same as "i have no plan to correct our problems" because if he did *that's* what we'd be hearing. would you vote for a president who said "i don't know" when it came to our problems and how to fix them?

jimmy would tell you what he thought was wrong and he'd go bust the teams arse till it was fixed. he KNEW what he had to do and he went out and did it.

yea, i don't like parcells. i don't like owens either but i've still let him build his own house and really don't care one way or another if he comes back next year. he's not our problem.

a lack of direction is and that's because our leader simply "does not know".

that is a major party foul to me. maybe it is because i don't like the man - but maybe it's also because how i feel emotionally doesn't matter in as much as i don't see what he's doing as going to work and correct our problems so i view his time as wasted time.

if parcells stood up and said "here's what we're going to do..." it would be a start to me. it would be "something" we could at least try to understand about what he feels our problems are and what he's doing to do about it to fix them.

and while people have disagreed and defended parcells, no one has answered the question of - would you follow a leader who openly said "i don't know" in reference to all the problems you faced and how to fix them?

maybe i'm wrong to want a direction, but i do know you don't anywhere good w/o one.

 

[iceberg]

Jerry Jones said it best after the Phily game on christmas...it indicts the organization from TOP down....no leadership.....so what will he do to show leadership...?

someone needs to step up and KNOW what to do. otherwise we're just treading water with a legend. a legend, sure, but still treading water.