Another Carpenter Thread

[jjtrcka22]

Just felt liking giving my two cents on Bobby, take it for what it's worth. I do not think that he is a bust, I just think that he is in the complete wrong situation. He is not a 3-4 linebacker. Ironically enough, he would have fit in great with the cowboys defense during the 90s. He reminds me alot of the likes of dixon edwards and darrin smith. Speedy linebackers with range that could cover. With the current construction of the defense, he should just come in on nickel. Or maybe try him at outside backer, maybe. I just do not see him ever being a very effective at inside backer in a 3-4.

 

[joseephuss]

If you are having to imagine a good fit for him then he is a bust. Really good players can find a role in any system. He hasn't up to this point. Charles Haley was good in a 3-4 and a 4-3. I am confidant that Ware would still do well in a 4-3. Even Ellis' play was solid in both schemes. Carpenter has not even been serviceable yet. Maybe it changes this year. I hope so, but am not counting on it.

 

[theogt]

No, he wouldn't be any better in a 4-3. There's nothing in the scheme that makes a player less of a pansy.

If a 6'3" 250 lb. linebacker that is both strong and fast can't succeed as a 3-4 ILB, it has nothing to do with the scheme.

 

[jjtrcka22]

If you are having to imagine a good fit for him then he is a bust. Really good players can find a role in any system. He hasn't up to this point. Charles Haley was good in a 3-4 and a 4-3. I am confidant that Ware would still do well in a 4-3. Even Ellis' play was solid in both schemes. Carpenter has not even been serviceable yet. Maybe it changes this year. I hope so, but am not counting on it.

I think that it is easier to transition from a 3-4 outside linebacker to a 4-3 end than it is to transition a 4-3 outside backer to a 3-4 any thing. A 3-4 OLB is about the same as a 4-3 DE (Basically a stand-up DE). Not a whole lot of coverage responsibility, although some, but mainly just rush the passer. Haley, Ware, and Even Ellis all fit the mold (Ellis to a lesser extent; he never had to cover much) of a OLB/DE tweener.

For example, I do not see Derrick Brooks (Future HOF) being nearly as effective in a 34 as he was in a 43. Also, Dexter Coakley was a very solid player for us in a 43, but he would probly not have done nearly as well in 34. Just my opinions.

 

[theogt]

I think that it is easier to transition from a 3-4 outside linebacker to a 4-3 end than it is to transition a 4-3 outside backer to a 3-4 any thing. A 3-4 OLB is about the same as a 4-3 DE (Basically a stand-up DE). Not a whole lot of coverage responsibility, although some, but mainly just rush the passer. Haley, Ware, and Even Ellis all fit the mold (Ellis to a lesser extent; he never had to cover much) of a OLB/DE tweener.

For example, I do not see Derrick Brooks (Future HOF) being nearly as effective in a 34 as he was in a 43. Also, Dexter Coakley was a very solid player for us in a 43, but he would probly not have done nearly as well in 34. Just my opinions.

A 3-4 ILB is as similar to a 4-3 OLB as a 3-4 OLB is to a 4-3 DE. That is to say, none of the positions are really that similar except that they're played on a field in game called football.

What translates between 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB is body type. And the same can be said for 3-4 ILB and 4-3 OLB.

 

[bbgun]

Um, even 4-3 linebackers have to hit somebody, not just cover or look for piles to fall on.

 

[jjtrcka22]

I just think that he would be solid, at worst, in a 43, since he would not have to take on 330 pound guards every play. He may not be "physical enough" for 34, but that does not mean that he could not make it in a 43. If you were to put Brooks (even in his prime), Lance Briggs, or keith bullock at inside linebacker in a 34 they will not, in my opinion, be nearly as effective. But, they are, or have been (in Brooks case), some of the best linebackers in the game playing in their current systems.

 

[MONT17]

Just felt liking giving my two cents on Bobby, take it for what it's worth. I do not think that he is a bust, I just think that he is in the complete wrong situation. He is not a 3-4 linebacker. Ironically enough, he would have fit in great with the cowboys defense during the 90s. He reminds me alot of the likes of dixon edwards and darrin smith. Speedy linebackers with range that could cover. With the current construction of the defense, he should just come in on nickel. Or maybe try him at outside backer, maybe. I just do not see him ever being a very effective at inside backer in a 3-4.

True... you make valid points, Carp could be a very good 4-3 backer and besides its not his fault he stuck on a team that cant consistantly develop draft picks.

 

[BAT]

Um, even 4-3 linebackers have to hit somebody, not just cover or look for piles to fall on.

More like he rushes over to inspect them. I would love to have Carp hit a pile once in a while.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Watch me run away
from the Runningback

 

[AsthmaField]

Watch me run away
from the Runningback

:laugh2:

Oh man... that's just awful.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

IMO, his best position would be weakside LB for a 4-3 team that plays an under scheme, ala Derrick Brooks.

He would be covered by the under tackle and the right end and would be more free to use his speed to make plays.