Another Example of Quarterbacks Getting Too Much Credit Or Blame

[DallasEast]

It was too much credit in this instance.

The Las Vegas Raiders defeated the Seattle Seahawks 40-34. Afterwards on the FOX postgame show, the customary graphic was shown of the three or more interesting points of a game. In this case, the graphic was this:

Per usual, the winning quarterback, Derek Carr this time, had a better than average game. Only 11 incompletions on 36 pass attempts, nearly 300 passing yards and three touchdowns. Really good numbers. The two interceptions are notable but a win is a win.

It has been decades since the Raiders won in Seattle. It is a historical milestone worth excluding either a fellow teammate's or team performance accomplishment. And the OTHER team must get some recognition. Take a bow Geno Smith.

Here are my questions though. Who deserves the graphic profile and numbers recognition more for the Raiders? Carr? Or...

Josh Jacobs?
74 receiving yards on six catches
229 rushing yards on 33 carries scoring 2 touchdowns with 0 fumbles--with the last carry being his 86-yard touchdown clinching run in overtime.


I'll keep saying it until I can't. Quarterbacks get way too much credit or blame in a team sport. It is butt-stupid for Carr outshining Jacobs' outstanding game performance.

/old rant

 

[Flamma]

You could not have done better to drive this point home, yet it will fall on deaf ears.

IMO in 2014 Romo had one of his best years. He was very efficient, with few mistakes. This was by accident nor was it coincidence. Someone else was having a very good year taking much of the workload and pressure off Tony. It's a team sport.

 

[kskboys]

And Wilson is showing that he got way too much credit in SEA!

 

[Reid1boys]

You could not have done better to drive this point home, yet it will fall on deaf ears.

IMO in 2014 Romo had one of his best years. He was very efficient, with few mistakes. This was by accident nor was it coincidence. Someone else was having a very good year taking much of the workload and pressure off Tony. It's a team sport.

and coaching.... coaches make all the difference... just look at the great Bill Belichek and how great they looked against the Bills tonight.

 

[terra]

and coaching.... coaches make all the difference... just look at the great Bill Belichek and how great they looked against the Bills tonight.

the best coaches cannot do a lot without the talent. What goes up must come down; BB had the greatest run in NFL history but its over.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

And Wilson is showing that he got way too much credit in SEA!

Wilson only got to the SB when he had the no. 1 defense. When he didn't have that, never made it.

Just look at the record this year of some of the supposed "elite" quarterbacks:
Rodgers 4-8
Brady 5-6
Wilson 3-8

Elite quarterbacks can win SBs and do other great things, but they have to have the supporting cast of players and coaches. Plus, good health of the team overall.

Take that away and they can't do as well.

 

[kskboys]

Wilson only got to the SB when he had the no. 1 defense. When he didn't have that, never made it.

Just look at the record this year of some of the supposed "elite" quarterbacks:
Rodgers 4-8
Brady 5-6
Wilson 3-8

Elite quarterbacks can win SBs and do other great things, but they have to have the supporting cast of players and coaches. Plus, good health of the team overall.

Take that away and they can't do as well.

Bellychickens always made sure Brady had a great OLine and excellent short area route running fiends for receivers.

 

[terra]

Bellychickens always made sure Brady had a great OLine and excellent short area route running fiends for receivers.

BB clearly lucked into getting Brady but he made the most of it; he took the great D he pretty much inherited and banked on it until Brady was fully ready to carry the load.

 

[Reid1boys]

the best coaches cannot do a lot without the talent. What goes up must come down; BB had the greatest run in NFL history but its over.

and it proves y point..... all "Great," coaches have a GREAT QB. There is an exception here and there. But Richard Sherman basically mocked the hell out of Fitzpatrick last night when Fitz was saying the Mac Jones basically better get on board with the "Patriot way," or he will be on the bench.

Sherman basically mocked the "Patriot way," saying it was Brady.... and Brady is gone. And EXACTLY as I predicted, when Brady left, Billy Boy has become JAG in an INSTANT.

Same as Tomlinson, Same as Peyton(who was at least smart enough to run away before his record took a hit like Mike and Billy's is now doing.

 

[kskboys]

BB clearly lucked into getting Brady but he made the most of it; he took the great D he pretty much inherited and banked on it until Brady was fully ready to carry the load.

Since Brady is always taking mid/late rounders at QB, not sure just how much luck is involved. He's basically looking for guys like Brady, when no one else appears to be.

 

[kskboys]

and it proves y point..... all "Great," coaches have a GREAT QB. There is an exception here and there. But Richard Sherman basically mocked the hell out of Fitzpatrick last night when Fitz was saying the Mac Jones basically better get on board with the "Patriot way," or he will be on the bench.

Sherman basically mocked the "Patriot way," saying it was Brady.... and Brady is gone. And EXACTLY as I predicted, when Brady left, Billy Boy has become JAG in an INSTANT.

Same as Tomlinson, Same as Peyton(who was at least smart enough to run away before his record took a hit like Mike and Billy's is now doing.

Bellychickens is a great HC, one of the best of all time. And even the best need a good QB.

 

[Reid1boys]

Since Brady is always taking mid/late rounders at QB, not sure just how much luck is involved. He's basically looking for guys like Brady, when no one else appears to be.

so look at his current roster... his wrs are a joke, his roster is avg at best. His team stinks... but he gets a pass becase he had Brady to follow for 20 years. He stunk before Brady, great during brady, back to stinking.

 

[terra]

so look at his current roster... his wrs are a joke, his roster is avg at best. His team stinks... but he gets a pass becase he had Brady to follow for 20 years. He stunk before Brady, great during brady, back to stinking.

Once again the Brady fan boys miss the point.

Just how good are HOF players like Rodgers when they do not have the coaching and the talent around them
Brady THIS year does not have the talent around him and how good is he doing?

 

[joseephuss]

so look at his current roster... his wrs are a joke, his roster is avg at best. His team stinks... but he gets a pass becase he had Brady to follow for 20 years. He stunk before Brady, great during brady, back to stinking.

He made the playoffs last season with a rookie QB who honestly doesn't look that great. He made the playoffs and won a wildcard game while with the Browns with Vinny Freaking Testaverde at QB. If that stinks, give me some of that foul stench.

As with most top tier coaches, they have to have a good QB and other talent to be in the championship mix on a yearly basis. The Patriots wouldn't have had their success with any other coach alongside Brady. They may have been a good team and won a championship, but they probably wouldn't have been getting deep into the playoffs on a yearly basis.

 

[terra]

and it proves y point..... all "Great," coaches have a GREAT QB. There is an exception here and there. But Richard Sherman basically mocked the hell out of Fitzpatrick last night when Fitz was saying the Mac Jones basically better get on board with the "Patriot way," or he will be on the bench.

Sherman basically mocked the "Patriot way," saying it was Brady.... and Brady is gone. And EXACTLY as I predicted, when Brady left, Billy Boy has become JAG in an INSTANT.

Same as Tomlinson, Same as Peyton(who was at least smart enough to run away before his record took a hit like Mike and Billy's is now doing.

Gibbs got three rings with average QBs.
Bluntly speaking the only reason Bradshaw has four rings is the team around him so what does that make Knoll?

 

[Reid1boys]

Bellychickens is a great HC, one of the best of all time. And even the best need a good QB.

Is he really? Im not saying he isnt good.... damn good, but he is no dofferent than ANY other coach in the NFL that doesnt have the Golden Goose. Andy Reid is now yur current Bill Belichek, and he will ride this train for the next decade with Mahomes. He will be in the hunt EVERY year, just like Bolly Boy USED TO BE.

Now that his goose j=has left, he aint no better tan Lovie Smith.

 

[Reid1boys]

Once again the Brady fan boys miss the point.

Just how good are HOF players like Rodgers when they do not have the coaching and the talent around them
Brady THIS year does not have the talent around him and how good is he doing?

Brady is 532 years old... the end is arriving. Rodgers is also near the end....... it happens to all of them.

How easy it is to see??? Cmon, the Cowboys went from like the 30th ranked offense first 5 or 6 weeks, and Dak returns and BAM, IMMEDIATELY we now have the top scoring offense in the league. Did the coaches all of the sudden design better plays?
Cmon, stop denying the obvious. How good is Tomlin right now???? They SUCK!!!!!!!

 

[Reid1boys]

He made the playoffs last season with a rookie QB who honestly doesn't look that great. He made the playoffs and won a wildcard game while with the Browns with Vinny Freaking Testaverde at QB. If that stinks, give me some of that foul stench.

As with most top tier coaches, they have to have a good QB and other talent to be in the championship mix on a yearly basis. The Patriots wouldn't have had their success with any other coach alongside Brady. They may have been a good team and won a championship, but they probably wouldn't have been getting deep into the playoffs on a yearly basis.

really? Well strangely, as soon as Brady showed up in Tampa, a team that hadnt even SNIFFED the playoffs in 11 years, won the SB in the first year. Yea, tell me more about how the Pats would have not been consistent without Billy.
They will now mis the playoffs in 2 of the 3 years without Brady... and it isnt gonna get much better anytime soon.

 

[joseephuss]

really? Well strangely, as soon as Brady showed up in Tampa, a team that hadnt even SNIFFED the playoffs in 11 years, won the SB in the first year. Yea, tell me more about how the Pats would have not been consistent without Billy.
They will now mis the playoffs in 2 of the 3 years without Brady... and it isnt gonna get much better anytime soon.

Do you think a Wade Phillips or Jason Garrett caliber coach would have gone deep into the playoffs for over a decade had they been coaching the Pats?

There wasn't anything strange about the Bucs. Tampa was loaded with talent. They lacked a good QB. Winston was horrible and single-handedly lost games for them. Replacing Winston with just a good QB would have gotten them deep into the playoffs. They added one of the best and it resulted in a SB. They didn't win last year and are struggling in a bad division this year as the talent and coaching around Brady has gone down. Brady wouldn't have won a SB with the Pats in 2020, 2021 or even this year. The talent for the Pats has also dwindled. They have to rebuild.

Of course it takes having a good coach and a good QB to be consistently successful in the NFL. It isn't one or the other, it takes both.

If you think Belichick sucks, that is just flat out wrong. Maybe he isn't the best, but he is definitely in the conversation.

 

[Reid1boys]

Do you think a Wade Phillips or Jason Garrett caliber coach would have gone deep into the playoffs for over a decade had they been coaching the Pats?

There wasn't anything strange about the Bucs. Tampa was loaded with talent. They lacked a good QB. Winston was horrible and single-handedly lost games for them. Replacing Winston with just a good QB would have gotten them deep into the playoffs. They added one of the best and it resulted in a SB. They didn't win last year and are struggling in a bad division this year as the talent and coaching around Brady has gone down. Brady wouldn't have won a SB with the Pats in 2020, 2021 or even this year. The talent for the Pats has also dwindled. They have to rebuild.

Of course it takes having a good coach and a good QB to be consistently successful in the NFL. It isn't one or the other, it takes both.

If you think Belichick sucks, that is just flat out wrong. Maybe he isn't the best, but he is definitely in the conversation.

I never once said Belichek sucked. My opinion has alwaysbeen that these coaches ar eall good. Some have the Golden Goose..... those are the guys consistently in the hunt. Others dont, those are the ones consistently getting fired.