Anthony Becht disses Gosselin's evaluation of Escobar pick

[Doomsday]

In some ways he is a wasted pick, the Cowboys dont really seem willing to use him in the passing game from week to week.

1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 2, 3, 0, 0 targets this season. For a team that runs a bunch of 2 TEs sets and runs the ball as well as they have been, it seems criminal to not throw the ball to your 2nd TE. Especially when the guy has 7 receptions on those 9 targets, including 3 TDs.

 

[khiladi]

In games Escobar doesn't play we are 1-3(the win was in OT) with an average point total of about 18.
In games he has at least two targets we average OVER 30 PPG and are 5-0.

What is the record when he is playing and they don't target him?

 

[khiladi]

Just so you know int he top video , if Weeden makes that pass to Beasley it is not a first down.
That's the way the NFL works, guys close fast.
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If you don't think that's a first down, I don't know what to tell you. That is quite possibly a TD.

 

[xwalker]

Just so you know int he top video , if Weeden makes that pass to Beasley it is not a first down.
That's the way the NFL works, guys close fast.

Second video, same problem.

They are running Beasley underneath on very shallow routes and he is too small to break any tackles.

Weeden is trying to pick up first downs because it is 3rd down in BOTH situations.

This is called 'fans are dumber than they think'.

IMO, Beasley gets the 1st on both of those plays if Weeden gets him the ball.

I would like to have seen more of Escobar, but that doesn't change the fact that Beasley likely would have made the 1st down on those plays.

 

[rbr651]

Well my thing with Martelllus is that I believe he's the player that needs to play a lot of snaps to be productive. I also think Escobar has more potential than him in the passing game BUT Martellus was a GREAT blocker here. Even better than Witten. I won't say I rue over him but he also was another wasted pick. Even more so than Escobar because he was never going to get time here.

Cowboys could've kept Martellus but they didn't want to overpay for what he contributed to the team. And that was always going to be the case. His future was never in Dallas because of Witten. Which is where the wasted pick comes into play.

If you remember part of the problem was that he wouldnt shut his mouth.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

If you remember part of the problem was that he wouldnt shut his mouth.

I don't know if it was a "problem". He was immature. Still is as you can see by his antics this offseason. I don't rue him not being here anymore. This was more than likely always going to be the outcome. He was never going to be in our future plans and to be honest i'm far more optimistic about Escobar and Hanna's futures here than I am Martellus'.

 

[Hoofbite]

Gosselin is right that Escobar has been a wasted pick, but Becht is also right because it's largely NOT Escobar's fault. The team hasn't used him enough to justify a 2nd round pick. Even if he received the snaps that Bennett did in Dallas (45% or abouts), it wouldn't be justifying a 2nd round TE. A 2nd round pick often gives you a rookie starter. Picking a guy who will at best give you about 50% of the teams snaps is just a misuse of draft picks.

Becht says that Dallas will happy to have Gavin when Witten retires. Maybe so, but you don't draft a TE to "take over" 3 or 4 years down the line. Who has ever heard of such a thing? Teams barely do that with QBs any more. Furthermore, Dallas could be "happy" with a number of TEs that they could have taken in much later rounds in any of the drafts between Gavin's draft and whenever Witten retires. You don't have to use high picks to get a TE that you're "happy" with. Many good TEs that are playing right now have come from rounds beyond the 1st or 2nd round.

 

[gmoney112]

IMO, Beasley gets the 1st on both of those plays if Weeden gets him the ball.

I would like to have seen more of Escobar, but that doesn't change the fact that Beasley likely would have made the 1st down on those plays.

I think he could have taken the ball to midfield in the first video. Dez takes the outside defender towards midfield where it looks like Beasley's defender gets washed up in traffic and just drops into a zone. Looks like a busted coverage to me, the closest defender was chasing Dez and the safety was playing Dez too. If Beasley turns the corner he's picking up a lot of yards. That was a actually a better playcall than I remember, Beasley didn't even have anyone on him. Witten cleared out the middle of the field, and Dez brought the opposide CB across the field, knowing the safety was looking to pick him. That was a big missed play right there.

But back to the topic, I'd like to see Escobar more involved in the Redzone. I wasn't a fan of the pick at the time, I kinda thought we'd go Hankins with all the salary cap fiasco looming, but it's not debatable the guy can catch the football. Between Dez, Witten, and Murray there usually aren't too many balls to go around, but I think you could create some real mismatches with him using your other weapons to draw attention. Get him isolated in the back of the endzone and just throw the ball up, he'd probably come down with it.

And for the record, I don't think he was a wasted pick. In fact, he'd probably had been taken by the 49ers a few picks later, and they still had Vernon Davis. TE's that can catch and run decent routes against NFL competition aren't that common, and he provides a decent insurance policy in case Jason ever goes down. Otherwise, we have James Hanna.

 

[jterrell]

IMO, Beasley gets the 1st on both of those plays if Weeden gets him the ball.

I would like to have seen more of Escobar, but that doesn't change the fact that Beasley likely would have made the 1st down on those plays.

This is popular opinion and you are very reasonable so I will break this down for you before moving on.

Play 1/Top:
Beasley is 4 yards away from a 1st down running parallel to the line of scrimmage. There are 3 defenders 2 yards beyond the line to gain playing a cloud or bubble coverage meant to NOT allow a 1st down.
1 of the defenders was 1-1 with Dez, the other two were playing the first down marker to be more specific.
But those 2 had eyes on Weeden the ENTIRE time.
Where his eyes went they went. Where his throw went they were closing.

Now take any other completed short play from any game. Or you can use the 2 seconds that tick off from Weeden starting his throw til the ball bouncing harmlessly off Dez.

Now watch that play or any play and watch how much ground NFL players moving full speed cover in 2 seconds. ---About 15 yards
Then tell me they couldn't take the angle to meet Beasley before he secured the catch turned upfield and got 1st down yardage.

I fully realize it looks like Dez is triple-teamed and I realize there was a rub as Sturm details but there is another defender charging up that goes to Dez instead because that's where Weeden's eyes are.

We've run this play a lot this year and Beasley gets first downs on it. But it is a 5 yard play not a 7 or 9 yard play.

The reason Weeden isn't looking at Beasley is because he's not the option in that situation versus that defense.
His route isn't run to gain the necessary yardage.
He's got to either alter the route to go deeper or Weeden has to try and hit the guys who are legit first down targets or take the check down and hope Beasley makes a play beyond the catch.

I respect Sturm a great deal but I actually played college DB.
I watched hundreds of hours of college DB specific film and was cursed out plenty for missed coverages or tackles.
If a college DB didn't make this play they'd be in trouble of getting replaced by a player with better reaction time.
For an NFL player it would flat be embarrassing.

It is certainly POSSIBLE Beasley can turn that into a first down but reality is it is not likely.
He has to keep eyes on the ball and is not going to be lead upfield by the pass.
The play is good for 5 yards every time. 7 is questionable and 9+ means Beasley did something special.

Of the Cowboys receiving options Beasley is the least likely to take a 3 yard pass and turn it into 7+.
He made a great juke to get 12 yards on his 1 catch on the day but reality is Dez, DeMarco, Witten and even TWill have a lot more yards after the catch on the season.

A lot of times popular takes are just wrong.
And as good as Sturm is I'll trust Jaws to review QB tape before a guy who played basketball not football.

 

[jterrell]

If you remember part of the problem was that he wouldnt shut his mouth.

he wanted a bigger role. he has it now. and a bigger paycheck.
we got to use another 2nd round pick on a TE. yay us.

 

[Crown Royal]

The play is good for 5 yards every time. 7 is questionable and 9+ means Beasley did something special.

Of the Cowboys receiving options Beasley is the least likely to take a 3 yard pass and turn it into 7+.
He made a great juke to get 12 yards on his 1 catch on the day but reality is Dez, DeMarco, Witten and even TWill have a lot more yards after the catch on the season.
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Beasley has an over 8 yard /catch average.