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I second guess Davis because of his intangibles and work ethic, and also commitment. What do you guys think if he fell to our pick would you take a chance on him.
 

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I think it really just depends on how the staff feels about him. He hasn't done himself any favors this offseason, and if the Cowboys have questions about his work ethic, I would hope they pass. I mean, Flo was never accused of having great passion for the game, but he always came to work.
 

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Yes, I would.

He probably has more natural gifts than any other OT in the draft including Okung. When he flashes, he's absolute dominant and no one can get around him (including speed rushers). He's also a nasty fellow and fits in perfectly with our type of smash-mouth play. Watch some tape on him and you'll wonder why he's not a top five pick.

Being drafted low might be just what he needs to get his head on straight - he has issues following directions and generally being lazy. Losing millions of dollars because of this might be the wakeup call that this is his one chance in life to make it big and there won't be second helpings (which is something he's also been knocked for).

He's only 21 years old so I think he'll mature a bit, but he'll either be an All-Pro or an All-Schmoe.
 

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I interned w/ the Rutgers Strength and Conditioning staff a little over a year ago and I would have to take a chance on him. He doesn't have a great personality, but he is so explosive and athletic on the football field. He may not bench 225 30 times or run a good 40 time, but when you put in the tape, he is a dominant player.

I had an opportunity to work w/ AD one one one on a few occasions, and it was difficult at times to get him to finish the workout. He's the kind of player that relies heavily on their natural, athletic ability.
 

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Chocolate Lab;3321725 said:
I wouldn't do it. Only guys that we know love football from now on.

Knowing AD for over a year, I do know that football is important to him and he loves it. He definitely does.
 

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TheSport78;3321731 said:
I interned w/ the Rutgers Strength and Conditioning staff a little over a year ago and I would have to take a chance on him. He doesn't have a great personality, but he is so explosive and athletic on the football field. He may not bench 225 30 times or run a good 40 time, but when you put in the tape, he is a dominant player.

I had an opportunity to work w/ AD one one one on a few occasions, and it was difficult at times to get him to finish the workout. He's the kind of player that relies heavily on their natural, athletic ability.

who cares about his personality - hope hes grumpy every sunday an beats the D to a pulp ever sunday

good info Sport
 

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burmafrd;3321946 said:
it is rare for lazy players to change.

yup, no thanks. What typically happens is that these players get by at the college ranks on athletic ability alone and then get to the NFL where everyone is athletic and the development stages grow, teams get impatient and the players start to pick up bad technique and habits in a effort to compensate.

A true lazy player rarely changes and if they do it's often so far down the line that the teams that drafted them never get to see it.
 

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At 27? Yeah, I'd probably draft him.

I keep hearing "questions about his work ethic", but no one actually ever gives examples. Maybe if I had more info I could actually say one way or the other for sure.
 

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TheSport78;3321731 said:
I had an opportunity to work w/ AD one one one on a few occasions, and it was difficult at times to get him to finish the workout. He's the kind of player that relies heavily on their natural, athletic ability.

TheSport78;3321732 said:
Knowing AD for over a year, I do know that football is important to him and he loves it. He definitely does.

Which is it? Is he a bit lazy or does he really think football is important?
 

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casmith07;3322109 said:
Which is it? Is he a bit lazy or does he really think football is important?

Both. I'm not sure AD has the mental capacity to WANT to get better. Honestly, he really doesn't fit the current mindset of the Cowboys, of always wanting to improve and get better (we know Romo says it all the time). On the other hand, the same questions were asked about Flozell Adams and he turned out to be a pretty good player. No, Flozell isn't a HOFer but he was a pretty dang good tackle for over ten years.

So AD is one of those "hit or miss" players. He either turns out to be your left tackle for ten years like Flozell or he is a complete bust. There's no in between for AD.

When I say that football is important to him, I should have said that he cares about the game and loves to play the game, but I'm not sure he has the drive and mentality to want to get better as a football player, rather than relying on the natural, athletic ability, which is very impressive might I add.
 
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I also like Charles Brown from USC... I know I'm in the minority but he's very underrated, and will add 10 to 15 lbs to his athletic frame.

He's 6-5 with close to a 36 inch arm reach.
 

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ThreeSportStar80;3322127 said:
I also like Charles Brown from USC... I know I'm in the minority but he's very underrated, and will add 10 to 15 lbs to his athletic frame.

He's 6-5 with close to a 36 inch arm reach.

I like him also
 

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TheSport78;3322121 said:
Both. I'm not sure AD has the mental capacity to WANT to get better. Honestly, he really doesn't fit the current mindset of the Cowboys, of always wanting to improve and get better (we know Romo says it all the time). On the other hand, the same questions were asked about Flozell Adams and he turned out to be a pretty good player. No, Flozell isn't a HOFer but he was a pretty dang good tackle for over ten years.

So AD is one of those "hit or miss" players. He either turns out to be your left tackle for ten years like Flozell or he is a complete bust. There's no in between for AD.

When I say that football is important to him, I should have said that he cares about the game and loves to play the game, but I'm not sure he has the drive and mentality to want to get better as a football player, rather than relying on the natural, athletic ability, which is very impressive might I add.

That is exactly why I wouldn't take him. Sure, he could be very good, but even you admit he could be a total bust. I don't do that in the first round.

I'm not a Parcells bathwater drinker, but I think he was exactly right when he said that more than any other position, O-linemen have to love the weight room and love doing the grunt work that no one sees. Doesn't sound like Davis to me.
 

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ThreeSportStar80;3322127 said:
I also like Charles Brown from USC... I know I'm in the minority but he's very underrated, and will add 10 to 15 lbs to his athletic frame.

He's 6-5 with close to a 36 inch arm reach.

This guy is looking more and more interesting. Wasn't Doug Free a converted tight end? His arm reach is 35.25 as a minor correction. He's supposedly very athletic. He lacks nastiness and is inconsistent in finishing blocks. It'll be interesting to see if the staff thinks he's worth the 27th pick or if he's considered "that" much better than the value in the 2nd round. Athletic tackles can allow you to do a lot of things. If Brown bulks up and can develop a nasty streak, he'll be a mean tackle. With Free and Brown we'd have two athletic tackles that can reach the second level and absolutely destroy people. Watching Free when he stepped in made me absolutely want two athletic tackles. Who's head did he take off one game? Was it Landry? How do you think those DB's are going to play when they know the other teams OT's are headhunting for them? Talk about scary.

And no I don't want Davis. I think there are better options that have their heart on doing everything it takes to get better at football, I don't think he's in it 110%.
 

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Chocolate Lab;3322164 said:
That is exactly why I wouldn't take him. Sure, he could be very good, but even you admit he could be a total bust. I don't do that in the first round.

I'm not a Parcells bathwater drinker, but I think he was exactly right when he said that more than any other position, O-linemen have to love the weight room and love doing the grunt work that no one sees. Doesn't sound like Davis to me.

I can't argue any of that. I think he's a good kid but isn't worth the risk in the 1st round.
 
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