Anthony Spencer - Not as bad as I orginally thought...

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In recollecting the season, my initial thoughts were Anthony Spencer has not proven he is worthy of a starting role and that maybe we should retain the services of Greg Ellis and draft another mid-round prospect at OLB as insurance. However, after reading this, much of his lack in the stats were due to the way the Cowboys used him, the limited amount of downs he was afforded, the injuries he suffered, and the lingering effects of said injuries.


Name: Anthony Spencer
Position: Outside Linebacker
Height/Weight: 6-3, 255
Experience: Two seasons
College: Purdue
Key stat: In the final two games of the season, playing starter minutes even though he didn't start, Spencer put up his best numbers of the year, recording nine tackles in each game. Against Baltimore, Spencer at nine tackles while playing 53 of the 66 plays in the game. Against Philadelphia, he matched his career high of nine tackles again, this time taking part in 39 of 58 plays, a highly productive performance considering he made one tackle every 4.3 plays.
Contract Status: Signed through 2011.
2008 Impact: Was coming on strong in training camp before undergoing arthroscopic knee surgery to remove a bone chip, which cost him the final two preseason games along with the season opener. Worse, the injury became a trend with Spencer just unable to stay healthy. A knee problem would knock him out of Game 2 and caused him to miss Game 3. And just when he started getting back in the swing of things, he left Game 6 with a hamstring injury, which cost him Game 7, too. If not for the injuries, he might have wrestled the starting job away from Greg Ellis, who slowly was being turned into a nickel pass-rusher. Even though he had to battle through all these injuries, Spencer did record 59 tackles to finish eighth on the team, two more than Ellis.
Where He Fits: It's time for Spencer to break through and win the starting strong outside linebacker spot. He began showing signs of becoming a better player against the run, and is much more athletic than Ellis when forced into coverage on the outside. Spencer does have a burst off the edge when rushing the quarterback, and if he had stayed healthy, the Cowboys might have been able to get Ellis and Spencer on the field at the same time in some of their change-up packages.
Writers' Analysis
Mickey Spagnola:
Really needs to stay healthy this year, and there is nothing wrong with Spencer becoming the starter and Ellis becoming the situational pass-rusher. While outside linebackers in the 3-4 defense seem to be judged by sacks, Spencer is becoming a valuable run stopper, which is highly important playing on the strong side, where offenses tend to run more. Would really like to see the Cowboys employ their sort of bunched defensive formation in some passing situations, like they did Spencer's rookie year, keeping offenses guessing where he and Ellis were going to line up. It's time for Spencer to play like a first-round pick, which would aid this team becoming younger. Josh Ellis: After battling through a couple injuries during the first part of the season, Spencer's strength against the run earned him a spot in the base defense, and while he wasn't the official starter and often came off the field in passing situations, he was a valuable contributor. Just 1½ sacks sounds disappointing for a former first-round pick, and in a way the Cowboys might have expected more production, but Spencer had more coverage responsibilities than DeMarcus Ware on the other side of the defense. The coaches raved about Spencer's off-season improvements at training camp last summer, and it would certainly help the defense if he could continue to progress. It seems the 25-year-old still has a lot of untapped potential.
 

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After his injury he became a sloppy tackler. Hopefully he gets back in the groove cause he was starting to look better than Ellis prior to his setback.
 

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CowboyFan74;2682628 said:
After his injury he became a sloppy tackler. Hopefully he gets back in the groove cause he was starting to look better than Ellis prior to his setback.
I think I can understand this, though. Here's a young guy, a few years removed from being a first round pick who has to share time with a geizer. He had two injuries in the same season where he is expected to take the role as full-time starter. Think about it. After two injuries already, I get the feeling he was being careful not to do something that landed him back on the injury list. I could be wrong, but my guess is he comes to the 09 alot more prepared to take the starting role.

Furthermore, dependent on how the draft plays out, which I think is what Jerry and company are waiting for, I don't see Ellis being on the roster next year. Just a hunch and a hope. I like what Ellis has done for us, but I'm really liking the youth movement and I don't think Ellis embodies the type of attitude that is needed for this group to excel. He seems more worried about himself (although he should be) than he is about how the team as a whole performs. I would like to see the Cowboys move up to possibly another pick in the 3rd or 2nd round with a combination of Ellis and someone else or a future draft pick, to resolidify the defense with some more youth.
 

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Here is a fact you might not know. I re-watched every game Anthony Spencer played in last year, and while he didn't live up to expectations, every time he was on the football field the opposing team never scored a single Touchdown except for one time.
 

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nyc;2682651 said:
He is a bum until proven otherwise.

That's absolutely ridiculous.

I'm ready to see him take on the roll, move Ellis to backup and let him cry.
 

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the problem is this...

the two games he played almost the entire game were Philly and Baltimore... which just so happens to be two our worst defensive games all year.

i watched spencer a good deal against baltimore and it was clear we would have been better with Ellis there holding the edge. as much as ellis needs to shut up he is a much more physical guy at the point of attack and understands leverage. spencer tried to hop around nfl blocks and that gets you out of the gap you are responsible for.

but even more so he just hasn't shown he can rush the passer. he does flash good speed but we've yet to see an NFL quality move. he isn't strong enough to bull rush and doesn't use his hands well enough for those swim moves or block shedding. he isn't a bust by any means but right now we need another OLB who can play and that's Ellis unless we hit in the draft.
 

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TheCount;2682710 said:
That's absolutely ridiculous.

I'm ready to see him take on the roll, move Ellis to backup and let him cry.

we tried that and lost games... wanna keep trying for real?
 

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cboyd;2682677 said:
Here is a fact you might not know. I re-watched every game Anthony Spencer played in last year, and while he didn't live up to expectations, every time he was on the football field the opposing team never scored a single Touchdown except for one time.

wrong.

baltimore scored TDs on back to back plays with Spencer in the game.
 

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TheCount;2682710 said:
That's absolutely ridiculous.

I'm ready to see him take on the roll, move Ellis to backup and let him cry.

I would move Ellis to the free agent list. He'd finally have something to cry about then.
 

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nyc;2682651 said:
He is a bum until proven otherwise.

Geeeez...the sort of glib negativity that makes this forum just a litle bit less wise every time it crops up (a lot recently)
 

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Spencer will step up and show us he can play. I'm not worried about Spencer at all. Oh wait, he's a bum right nyc? :lmao2:
 

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Chocolate Lab;2682700 said:
Spencer is a player. No worries whatsoever about him.

Same here with me.

He'll be a starter for many years with this defense and will be excellent at what he is asked to do.

Just stay healthy Spence.
 

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TheCount;2682710 said:
That's absolutely ridiculous.

I'm ready to see him take on the roll, move Ellis to backup and let him cry.

lostinomiya;2682717 said:
Geeeez...the sort of glib negativity that makes this forum just a litle bit less wise every time it crops up (a lot recently)

I've seen his talent and I give players the benefit of the doubt as soon as their drafted, but what I've seen more of is his consistent injuries and now trouble with the law.

To me, if you make more off the field news than on the field. You're a bum. I know he is talented, and I want that talent to come out, but until then. He is a bum in my book. Respect is earned, not given.
 

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nyc;2682762 said:
I've seen his talent and I give players the benefit of the doubt as soon as their drafted, but what I've seen more of is his consistent injuries and now trouble with the law.

To me, if you make more off the field news than on the field. You're a bum. I know he is talented, and I want that talent to come out, but until then. He is a bum in my book. Respect is earned, not given.

The only reason he isn't starting is because Wade keeps having to put a pacifier on Ellis.
 

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If only we had played Ellis instead of Spencer against the Eagles we might have avoided the 40+ point drubbing!
 

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jterrell;2682715 said:
wrong.

baltimore scored TDs on back to back plays with Spencer in the game.

Hey, I thought we agreed we were going to pretend those two plays didn't happen here. :shush:
 

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nyc;2682651 said:
He is a bum until proven otherwise.

Agreed.

And I find it funny how after 2 years Spencer has done less then Carp did in his FIRST year alone, yet Spencer gets a break and Carp is considered the anti-christ.
 
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